A vote for Mark

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I came to this news group because I thought it was for alternative health. I
have studied and used
alternative (natural) ways to restore my health. It is working very well for
me, particularly since I started using a particular ginseng.
http://www.lowlifeAss-Clown.com/ So, I decided to become a distributor (MLM)

and

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come here and offer this product to others who needed help.

Translation: "I am an opportunistic Ass-Clown. I came to this MHA because I
thought I'd find credulous dupes to buy my product and sell it to their
friends, co-workers, etc. I have no shame and will spam non-commerical
newsgroups with false testimonials in order to enrich myself at the expense of
others. Give me all your money, then find others to do the same. Gimme,
Gimme, Gimme!

(Ilsa9) said:

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I came to this news group because I thought it was for alternative health. I
have studied and used
alternative (natural) ways to restore my health. It is working very well for
me, particularly since I started using a particular ginseng.
http://www.lowlifeAss-Clown.com/ So, I decided to become a distributor (MLM)

and

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come here and offer this product to others who needed help.

Translation: "I am an opportunistic Ass-Clown. I came to this MHA because I
thought I'd find credulous dupes to buy my product and sell it to their
friends, co-workers, etc. I have no shame and will spam non-commerical
newsgroups with false testimonials in order to enrich myself at the expense of
others. Give me all your money, then find others to do the same. Gimme,
Gimme, Gimme!

Good one !

I like your style.

"Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

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I came to this news group because I thought it was for alternative health.

It is supposed to be for alternative medicine but these crummy anti alters
feel the need to come on here and interrupt our natural discourse with blind
defenses of conventional medicine and vile vicious attacks on alternative
medicine. They have no shame.--rb

I

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have studied and used
alternative (natural) ways to restore my health. It is working very well

for

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me, particularly since I started using a particular ginseng.
http://www.glowlife.com/ So, I decided to become a distributor (MLM) and
come here and offer this product to others who needed help. A simple act

and

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from my heart. I was immediately attacked by a couple of apparently angry
people, the most angry of which seems to be Mark. I know he has had some

bad

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things befall him and I'm sorry for that, but it isn't my fault. I have

told

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him that the ginseng will help calm him and lose his anger. I mean that

and

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know that it will help him. I want to take a minute here and explain why

the

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natural way.

For those who don't know, I was diagnosed as having asthma, C.O.P.D.
(Enphysema) and
Congestive Heart Failure. I have been taking Korean-Panax Ginseng and am
recovering.

Glad to hear that but i'd also recommend Chelation Therapy and/or EECP
for your coronary heart disease.--rb

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Yesterday, Friday July 11, I had a followup appointment with my Lung
Specialist (MD). He
is considered one of the best in my area. A week earlier I had bumped into
him in the clubhouse
of my golfclub, where I now play every day, and he was surprised to see me
there. See Dave's
Story http://www.glowlife.com/index5.html . Yesterday he told me that I
had severe lung damage
and serious heart disease and he was afraid that I would keel over and die
on the golf course. If I
accepted his advice I would sit around, slowly deteriorate and die. I

could

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go on, but suffice to say, the only path to health lies in finding a

natural

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way. It's like the Law of Gravity, it really doesn't matter whether you
choose to believe in it or not, it still has power over your life. Natural
ways are in tune with nature. If you think nature has no power, catch a
lightening bolt. Take a boat ride in a huricane. If you choose to believe
that only medical science can help you, God help you. (He's the natural

way)

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I will say again, there are a number of natural ways to regain your

health.

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I found my way and merely
offer it to you for your consideration.

Mark for President!

Mark probably thinks your anti-Jewish. --rb

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Subject: Re: A vote for Mark
From: "rb" [email hidden]
Date: 7/14/2003 8:57 PM Pacific

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Glad to hear that but i'd also recommend Chelation Therapy and/or EECP
for your coronary heart disease.--rb

YOU would recommend ??? who cares what YOU would recommend...when you
"appeared" you did not know there WAS a difference between arteries and
veins,,,nor that left and right side heart function is different...

NOW you have the gall to "recommend" anything???

BTW rubber brain..care to explain EECP??? which by the way..is EVIIILLLL
mainstream medicine ya know....

maroon....

hawki

fred & michele said:

That would explain soooo much of your ridiculous ideas about the human body,
health, & effective health care therapies -- you get your information from
the folks peddlin' the [censored] you believe in.

The alts are constantly raving about the evil doctors getting
information from drug company reps, but they don't seem to have a
problem with people getting information from snake oil salesmen.
Strange, that.

(NO - I will not discuss drug reps, other than to say that there are
arguments for and against. Like abortion and guns, some topics are
best left alone if the carnival-like atmosphere of any newsgroup,
mailing list or forum is to be preserved.)

--
Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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fred & michele said:

That would explain soooo much of your ridiculous ideas about the human

body,

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health, & effective health care therapies -- you get your information from
the folks peddlin' the [censored] you believe in.

The alts are constantly raving about the evil doctors getting
information from drug company reps, but they don't seem to have a
problem with people getting information from snake oil salesmen.
Strange, that.

Is the Mayne Group a snake Oil company Peter ?

(NO - I will not discuss drug reps, other than to say that there are
arguments for and against. Like abortion and guns, some topics are
best left alone if the carnival-like atmosphere of any newsgroup,
mailing list or forum is to be preserved.)

--
Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Rod said:

"Peter Bowditch" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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fred & michele said:

That would explain soooo much of your ridiculous ideas about the human

body,

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health, & effective health care therapies -- you get your information

from

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the folks peddlin' the [censored] you believe in.

The alts are constantly raving about the evil doctors getting
information from drug company reps, but they don't seem to have a
problem with people getting information from snake oil salesmen.
Strange, that.

Is the Mayne Group a snake Oil company Peter ?

If you mean the division which runs the private hospitals, no.

If you mean the division which runs the conventional medical centres,
no (although I have seen a stack of promotional material for a Mind
Body Spirit Festival at one of their centres)

If you mean the division which runs conventional medical pathology
laboratories, no.

If you mean the division which does transport and logistics, no.

If you mean the divisions (like those above) which identify themselves
as part of the Mayne organisation and carry the red circle logo, no.

If you mean the division which, despite close ties with a logistics
and distribution company, managed to recycle recalled products back
onto retail shelves, yes.

If you mean the division which keeps its connection with the Mayne
group a secret unless someone asks them outright or orders some of
their products recalled, yes.

If you mean the division which advertises in New Zealand quackery
magazines using language which would probably be illegal in Australia,
yes.

Ahh ! now I get it. Mayne only sells snake oil but does not manufacture it
and it is all the fault of our cousins who live in the shakey isles.

So it was likely the TGA targetted Pan Pharmaceuticals "Cleaning Division"
which was run by Kiwis (using illegal language) from the New Zealand
Quackery Magazines.

Perhaps it was the illegal language that the TGA meant to target but someone
got their wires crossed and thought "dirty" applied to process rather than
the processors.

"Bowditch Law" is simply amazing.

Rod

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--
Peter Bowditch [email hidden]
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight

"Ilsa9" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I came to this news group because I thought it was for alternative

health. I

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have studied and used
alternative (natural) ways to restore my health. It is working very well

for

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me, particularly since I started using a particular ginseng.
http://www.lowlifeAss-Clown.com/ So, I decided to become a distributor

(MLM)

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and

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come here and offer this product to others who needed help.

Translation: "I am an opportunistic Ass-Clown. I came to this MHA because

I

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thought I'd find credulous dupes to buy my product and sell it to their
friends, co-workers, etc. I have no shame and will spam non-commerical
newsgroups with false testimonials in order to enrich myself at the

expense of

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others. Give me all your money, then find others to do the same. Gimme,
Gimme, Gimme!

Translation:
You thought you were going to find some folks who actually familiar with
alternative medicine here? Maybe interest a few in your products?
No, you can't sell your [censored] here, because all you will find here are a
bunch of ass=clowns like me who don't accept the notion of alternative
medicine and we feel it is our duty to disrupt this venue like a bunch of
pigs. We would sell our wares where we do and "gimme gimme gimme", but we
are between jobs at the moment.
Attacking "wholistic spammers" is the pinnacle of ridding the planet of
low-lifes.
(Cape fluttering in the wind)....

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fred & michele said:

Selling products & services is against the charter of MHA. It would be just
as inappropriate for someone to sell Paxil or gym memberships here.

What's the MHA charter say about perpetual flame wars - most
of which have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion of
alternative health?

I only ask because these seem to be the prevelent courses of
discussion in this newsgroup. Please note, that this comment is not
directed at you personally. It's simply a general remark, after
having witnessed first hand the carnage this group produces day after
day, week after week, month after month, and year after year.

Atlas

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fred & michele said:

Selling products & services is against the charter of MHA. It would be

just

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as inappropriate for someone to sell Paxil or gym memberships here.

What's the MHA charter say about perpetual flame wars - most
of which have absolutely nothing to do with the discussion of
alternative health?

I only ask because these seem to be the prevelent courses of
discussion in this newsgroup. Please note, that this comment is not
directed at you personally. It's simply a general remark, after
having witnessed first hand the carnage this group produces day after
day, week after week, month after month, and year after year.

Arguing ain't selling.

I'm a big proponent of vendors paying for their advertising.

Michele
I ENJOY being a cranky [censored].

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fred & michele said:

Arguing ain't selling.

Hmmmm. Where to start here....

1. You made a very stern statement in which you admonished somebody
else for not observing the MHA charter. In other words, you were
acting like a netcop.

2. In response to your netcopping the other poster, I replied with
asking you what the MHA charter says about perpetual (and mostly
off-topic) flame wars. [You know - those conversations which comprise
about 95% of the bandwidth in this group].

3. The word "selling" could very well be defined as the act of
transferring enthusiasm about a product or service from one person to
another. It could be positive (for) or negative (against) a product
or service.

For example:

a. You're a massage therapist. You have espoused the therapeutic
benefits of massage. Thus, you were in essence, selling massage.

b. I am a chiropractor. I have espoused the therapeutic benefits of
chiropractic. Thus, I was in essence, selling chiropractic.

c. Kingoff/Ilsa is an acupuncturist. Same thing for him and his
chosen profession.

d. The MHA croonies have a keen, and long-standing interest in the
decimation of anything that falls outside of orthodoxyl (allopathic)
medicine. Thus, they are, in essence selling the virtues of
allopathy, and the condemnation of alt.health.

So Michele, with all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree
with your argument based on the above listed reasons. Off-topic flame
wars represent the vast bulk of the traffic in this newsgroup. The
flame wars are perpetuated by generally the same 10 or so people.

We're ALL selling. We're ALL salespeople (whether you want to
admit it or not).

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I'm a big proponent of vendors paying for their advertising.

Why? Does that somehow make their products "better"? Does
forcing them to pay out the nose somehow elevate the ethics of the
transaction somehow? All I can see it doing is driving the costs up
(the increased costs are, by the way, passed onto the customer).

By the way, the most effective and most powerful form of
marketing (word of mouth ) is free.

Atlas

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fred & michele said:

Arguing ain't selling.

Hmmmm. Where to start here....

1. You made a very stern statement in which you admonished somebody
else for not observing the MHA charter. In other words, you were
acting like a netcop.

2. In response to your netcopping the other poster, I replied with
asking you what the MHA charter says about perpetual (and mostly
off-topic) flame wars. [You know - those conversations which comprise
about 95% of the bandwidth in this group].

Flames are discouraged, Selling is Prohibited. Try to learn the actual meaning
of words as opposed to your desired meanings.

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3. The word "selling" could very well be defined as the act of
transferring enthusiasm about a product or service from one person to
another. It could be positive (for) or negative (against) a product
or service.

The word Ass-Clown well defines Atlas & Stuart Hyderman. As for spam, it is
an attempt to market, for sale, goods or services in a non-commercial
newsgroup. It is wrong even if there are other wrongs committed. Two wrongs
don't make a right, regardless of what you were indoctrinated in Clown, uh,
Chiropractic college.

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For example:

a. You're a massage therapist. You have espoused the therapeutic
benefits of massage. Thus, you were in essence, selling massage.

No, there is a difference between advocating and selling.

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b. I am a chiropractor. I have espoused the therapeutic benefits of
chiropractic. Thus, I was in essence, selling chiropractic.

What are those benefits? You seem to have thought they had something to do
with preventing diseases like measles, mumps, small pox, etc.

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c. Kingoff/Ilsa is an acupuncturist. Same thing for him and his
chosen profession.

Only Jan has attempted to sell Andrew's services. She frequently posts his
work address, phone #, and address. That form of shilling is unacceptible. As
for me, Ilsa, my profession is none of your concern. I am an educator, not an
acupuncturist.

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d. The MHA croonies have a keen, and long-standing interest in the
decimation of anything that falls outside of orthodoxyl (allopathic)
medicine. Thus, they are, in essence selling the virtues of
allopathy, and the condemnation of alt.health.

Got an example of a VALID alt-method being "decimated" or derided?
Sure, the MHA faithful are sticklers for reality, truth, facts, and efficacy,
but they are most certainly skeptics as opposed to cynics.

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So Michele, with all due respect, I wholeheartedly disagree
with your argument based on the above listed reasons. Off-topic flame
wars represent the vast bulk of the traffic in this newsgroup. The
flame wars are perpetuated by generally the same 10 or so people.

We're ALL selling. We're ALL salespeople (whether you want to
admit it or not).

What a wonderful insight into Atlas' education at Palmer. He's a saleman, not
a healthcare practitioner. I guess that was what BJ Palmer meant when he said
that the spine has 3 functions, to support the rib-cage, the skull, and the
Chiropractor!

Glad to know just where Atlas stands viz-a-viz ethics.

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From: [email hidden] (Ilsa9)
Date: 7/29/2003 7:48 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Glad to know just where Atlas stands viz-a-viz ethics.

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As
for me, Ilsa, my profession is none of your concern. I am an educator, not
an acupuncturist.

Andrew/Ilsa is just one of life's failures.

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His sole purpose in life is to serve to remind decent folk what decent really

means.>> I guess you could say that his role creates comfort for many people so
that they can read what comes up from the bottom of the cesspool.

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It is a tough job Andrew has taken on but he certainly is imminently qualified

to wade up to his neck in the wastage of his own life.