Feeling "deprived"

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they don't. A
cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long run, if you are truly
good at stopping yourself once you've had that _one_ bite. Some of us
aren't though, and one bite leads to two, leads to some more the next
day, the next week, and so on.

Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a different
way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating from within us, so we
should at least make an effort to control them.

What causes this deprived feeling? Is it an external cause, like when
you stub your toe and it causes pain? I believe it's an internal cause,
something about what we tell ourselves, the way we phrase the situation
in our own minds.

just because someone cheats doesn't mean they did it because they were
feeling deprived. Again you are projecting our own feelings and problems on
everyone else.

Of course, we like good tasting food. But if we don't eat the

Quoted message said:

sugary/starchy treats, what are we depriving ourselves of, really? A
momentary pleasure, a few seconds of taste on the tongue. Not that big
a deal when you consider what you _gain_ from not eating those foods.

For some of us, the gain is the freedom from the addiction-like hold of
carbs. I think this is more important even than weight loss, because
being addicted controls your life. I know it did for me anyway.
Constantly thinking about food and having mood swings and feeling
lethargic after meals drastically reduced my quality of life, and it
would have even if I hadn't been fat.

I find that the feeling of "deprivation" goes away when instead of
telling myself "I can't have that" I say "I don't need that, I don't
want that. I'd rather be thin and healthy and have more control over my
appetite and my life." I don't even use the "I can't" phrase to other
people who offer me treats. Instead I say "Thanks, but I don't eat
(donuts, candy, whatever it is)."

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they don't. A
cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long run, if you are truly
good at stopping yourself once you've had that _one_ bite. Some of us
aren't though, and one bite leads to two, leads to some more the next
day, the next week, and so on.

Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a different
way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating from within us, so we
should at least make an effort to control them.

What causes this deprived feeling? Is it an external cause, like when
you stub your toe and it causes pain? I believe it's an internal cause,
something about what we tell ourselves, the way we phrase the situation
in our own minds.

just because someone cheats doesn't mean they did it because they were
feeling deprived. Again you are projecting our own feelings and problems on
everyone else.

More like I'm thinking "I've seen some posts on here today about people
feeling deprived on low-carb, and I've felt that way myself, and this is
a way I'm trying to deal with it."

I never said "Everyone feels just like I do." I even started off with
"Lots of people cheat because . . . " (instead of "everyone" cheats
because) and "Some of us . . ." (the use of "us" includes me in this
group) which were indicators that this post was aimed at the subsection
of people on this group who've had similar experiences to mine.

It would be naive and arrogant of me to assume that no one else has ever
been through what I'm going through. Recognizing that my experiences
aren't unique, that some people may have felt the same way, isn't
projecting.

Next time someone posts advice about bicycles, are you going to respond
with "You're assuming everyone rides a bicycle just because you do,
you're projecting"?

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they don't. A
cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long run, if you are truly
good at stopping yourself once you've had that _one_ bite. Some of us
aren't though, and one bite leads to two, leads to some more the next
day, the next week, and so on.

Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a different
way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating from within us, so
we
should at least make an effort to control them.

What causes this deprived feeling? Is it an external cause, like when
you stub your toe and it causes pain? I believe it's an internal
cause,
something about what we tell ourselves, the way we phrase the situation
in our own minds.

just because someone cheats doesn't mean they did it because they were
feeling deprived. Again you are projecting our own feelings and problems
on
everyone else.

More like I'm thinking "I've seen some posts on here today about people
feeling deprived on low-carb, and I've felt that way myself, and this is
a way I'm trying to deal with it."

I never said "Everyone feels just like I do." I even started off with
"Lots of people cheat because . . . " (instead of "everyone" cheats
because) and "Some of us . . ." (the use of "us" includes me in this
group) which were indicators that this post was aimed at the subsection
of people on this group who've had similar experiences to mine.

It would be naive and arrogant of me to assume that no one else has ever
been through what I'm going through. Recognizing that my experiences
aren't unique, that some people may have felt the same way, isn't
projecting.

Next time someone posts advice about bicycles, are you going to respond
with "You're assuming everyone rides a bicycle just because you do,
you're projecting"?

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew everything
and had purple hair.

I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's token
teenage daughter.

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I love
baked potates!)

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger, I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone. He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. He isn't a mindless "nag".

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way, and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I love
baked potates!)

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger, I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone. He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. He isn't a mindless "nag".

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way, and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew
everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's
token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict
regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I love
baked potates!)

Sorry 'bout the potato hang-up, Pat

Quoted message said:

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her

I like her, i am not prejudicced against her because sh emakes me laugh and
seems juvenile

Quoted message said:

and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger, I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone.

I don't either but SHE does and whines about it and goes on and on
everythime he suggets something to her LOL

Quoted message said:

He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. '

I agree

Quoted message said:

He isn't a mindless "nag".

Her words , not mine - i am sure he knows that

Quoted message said:

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way, and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew
everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's
token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict
regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I love
baked potates!)

Sorry 'bout the potato hang-up, Pat

Quoted message said:

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her

I like her, i am not prejudicced against her because sh emakes me laugh and
seems juvenile

Quoted message said:

and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger, I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone.

I don't either but SHE does and whines about it and goes on and on
everythime he suggets something to her LOL

Quoted message said:

He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. '

I agree

Quoted message said:

He isn't a mindless "nag".

Her words , not mine - i am sure he knows that

Quoted message said:

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way, and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

Luna said:

Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they don't.

Plenty report exactly that, including folks who insist on
staying on Atkins Induction who cause it themselves.

There are other reasons to cheat. Bad food tastes good
so it's tempting. Peer pressure never stops. Low fat
propaganda never stops. Cheats can trigger cravings.

Quoted message said:

A
cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long run, if you are truly
good at stopping yourself once you've had that _one_ bite. Some of us
aren't though, and one bite leads to two, leads to some more the next
day, the next week, and so on.

Anywhere from a sudden crash to a gradual slippery slope.

Quoted message said:

Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a different
way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating from within us, so we
should at least make an effort to control them.

Agreed.

Quoted message said:

What causes this deprived feeling?

Different folks report different reasons. Some I've
read over the years - Focusing on what we can't eat
seems the biggest one. Not getting the unlimited
variety of low carb from staying in old shopping
habits. Continuing to eat foods that keep old bad
habits alive.

Quoted message said:

I find that the feeling of "deprivation" goes away when instead of
telling myself "I can't have that" I say "I don't need that, I don't
want that. I'd rather be thin and healthy and have more control over my
appetite and my life." I don't even use the "I can't" phrase to other
people who offer me treats. Instead I say "Thanks, but I don't eat
(donuts, candy, whatever it is)."

Enjoy what you can eat. Heck, even watch some low
fatter eat rabbit food while you enjoy your meal.
Enjoying what you can eat is focusing on the positive.

Luna said:

Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they don't.

Plenty report exactly that, including folks who insist on
staying on Atkins Induction who cause it themselves.

There are other reasons to cheat. Bad food tastes good
so it's tempting. Peer pressure never stops. Low fat
propaganda never stops. Cheats can trigger cravings.

Quoted message said:

A
cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long run, if you are truly
good at stopping yourself once you've had that _one_ bite. Some of us
aren't though, and one bite leads to two, leads to some more the next
day, the next week, and so on.

Anywhere from a sudden crash to a gradual slippery slope.

Quoted message said:

Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a different
way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating from within us, so we
should at least make an effort to control them.

Agreed.

Quoted message said:

What causes this deprived feeling?

Different folks report different reasons. Some I've
read over the years - Focusing on what we can't eat
seems the biggest one. Not getting the unlimited
variety of low carb from staying in old shopping
habits. Continuing to eat foods that keep old bad
habits alive.

Quoted message said:

I find that the feeling of "deprivation" goes away when instead of
telling myself "I can't have that" I say "I don't need that, I don't
want that. I'd rather be thin and healthy and have more control over my
appetite and my life." I don't even use the "I can't" phrase to other
people who offer me treats. Instead I say "Thanks, but I don't eat
(donuts, candy, whatever it is)."

Enjoy what you can eat. Heck, even watch some low
fatter eat rabbit food while you enjoy your meal.
Enjoying what you can eat is focusing on the positive.

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they
|| don't. A cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long
|| run, if you are truly good at stopping yourself once you've
|| had that _one_ bite. Some of us aren't though, and one bite
|| leads to two, leads to some more the next day, the next week,
|| and so on.
||
|| Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a
|| different way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating
|| from within us, so we should at least make an effort to
|| control them.
||
|| What causes this deprived feeling? Is it an external cause,
|| like when you stub your toe and it causes pain? I believe
|| it's an internal cause, something about what we tell
|| ourselves, the way we phrase the situation in our own minds.
||
|| Of course, we like good tasting food. But if we don't eat
the
|| sugary/starchy treats, what are we depriving ourselves of,
|| really? A momentary pleasure, a few seconds of taste on the
|| tongue. Not that big a deal when you consider what you
|| _gain_ from not eating those foods.
||
|| For some of us, the gain is the freedom from the
|| addiction-like hold of carbs. I think this is more important
|| even than weight loss, because being addicted controls your
|| life. I know it did for me anyway. Constantly thinking about
|| food and having mood swings and feeling lethargic after meals
|| drastically reduced my quality of life, and it would have
|| even if I hadn't been fat.
||
|| I find that the feeling of "deprivation" goes away when
|| instead of telling myself "I can't have that" I say "I don't
|| need that, I don't want that. I'd rather be thin and healthy
|| and have more control over my appetite and my life." I don't
|| even use the "I can't" phrase to other people who offer me
|| treats. Instead I say "Thanks, but I don't eat (donuts,
|| candy, whatever it is)."
||
|| --
|| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Gues I don't understand the idea of "deprived" when it comes
to a low-carb 'life-style'. Sure I have eliminated some things
from
my diet and greatly decreased others. However in none of those
things is there anything I can't do without or is not available
from
some other food source. Low-carb is just that, a 'life-style'
change
implying there is no looking back.

BJ

--
--
"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the
cheese." -- Unknown

Luna <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Seems lots of people cheat because they feel deprived if they
|| don't. A cheat once in a while won't hurt you in the long
|| run, if you are truly good at stopping yourself once you've
|| had that _one_ bite. Some of us aren't though, and one bite
|| leads to two, leads to some more the next day, the next week,
|| and so on.
||
|| Maybe we should look at this concept of feeling "deprived" a
|| different way. After all, they're _our_ feelings, emanating
|| from within us, so we should at least make an effort to
|| control them.
||
|| What causes this deprived feeling? Is it an external cause,
|| like when you stub your toe and it causes pain? I believe
|| it's an internal cause, something about what we tell
|| ourselves, the way we phrase the situation in our own minds.
||
|| Of course, we like good tasting food. But if we don't eat
the
|| sugary/starchy treats, what are we depriving ourselves of,
|| really? A momentary pleasure, a few seconds of taste on the
|| tongue. Not that big a deal when you consider what you
|| _gain_ from not eating those foods.
||
|| For some of us, the gain is the freedom from the
|| addiction-like hold of carbs. I think this is more important
|| even than weight loss, because being addicted controls your
|| life. I know it did for me anyway. Constantly thinking about
|| food and having mood swings and feeling lethargic after meals
|| drastically reduced my quality of life, and it would have
|| even if I hadn't been fat.
||
|| I find that the feeling of "deprivation" goes away when
|| instead of telling myself "I can't have that" I say "I don't
|| need that, I don't want that. I'd rather be thin and healthy
|| and have more control over my appetite and my life." I don't
|| even use the "I can't" phrase to other people who offer me
|| treats. Instead I say "Thanks, but I don't eat (donuts,
|| candy, whatever it is)."
||
|| --
|| http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

Gues I don't understand the idea of "deprived" when it comes
to a low-carb 'life-style'. Sure I have eliminated some things
from
my diet and greatly decreased others. However in none of those
things is there anything I can't do without or is not available
from
some other food source. Low-carb is just that, a 'life-style'
change
implying there is no looking back.

BJ

--
--
"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the
cheese." -- Unknown

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew
everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's
token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict
regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I love
baked potates!)

Sorry 'bout the potato hang-up, Pat

Quoted message said:

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her

I like her, i am not prejudicced against her because sh emakes me laugh and
seems juvenile

I'm not juvenile, I have a youthful spirit.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger, I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone.

I don't either but SHE does and whines about it and goes on and on
everythime he suggets something to her LOL

_Every_ time? I can only think of once. Now you sound juvenile, like
my sister when she was a kid, and how she'd say "You always do blah blah
blah!" I posted here about commitment to exercise, and Roger completely
changed the subject by telling me all the other things he thinks I
should be doing. It wasn't on the subject I was talking about, it was
unasked for, and it was about stuff I'm already working on. I can't
think of a better way to describe nagging. I mean, how would you feel
if you told a casual acquaintance how you made a vow to exercise every
day, and they responded with "You should get a better job"?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. '

I agree

Quoted message said:

He isn't a mindless "nag".

Her words , not mine - i am sure he knows that

Never said he was a mindless nag. Said he was nagging me, in that
particular post. And he was. And he agreed, but said he thought I
needed it. Which is a bit condescending, to think you know what someone
else needs better than they do, but at least it's from a place of
caring.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way, and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

She's not denigrating me, Pat. She misunderstood me.

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

: You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew
everything
: and had purple hair.
:
: I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's
token
: teenage daughter.

I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict
regimens.
They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I
love
baked potates!)

Sorry 'bout the potato hang-up, Pat

Quoted message said:

So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her

I like her, i am not prejudicced against her because sh emakes me laugh
and
seems juvenile

I'm not juvenile, I have a youthful spirit.

there's a difference between being youthful and being childish

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and make an effort
to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger,
I
don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone.

I don't either but SHE does and whines about it and goes on and on
everythime he suggets something to her LOL

_Every_ time? I can only think of once. Now you sound juvenile, like
my sister when she was a kid, and how she'd say "You always do blah blah
blah!" I posted here about commitment to exercise, and Roger completely
changed the subject by telling me all the other things he thinks I
should be doing. It wasn't on the subject I was talking about, it was
unasked for, and it was about stuff I'm already working on. I can't
think of a better way to describe nagging. I mean, how would you feel
if you told a casual acquaintance how you made a vow to exercise every
day, and they responded with "You should get a better job"?

I wouldn't describe people on Usenet as casual aquaintences. If you post on
here you are looking for people to comment. Any crackpot with any goofball
remark is welcome to respond. That's usenet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He has thoughtful things to say,
and he does. '

I agree

Quoted message said:

He isn't a mindless "nag".

Her words , not mine - i am sure he knows that

Never said he was a mindless nag.

I never said you said he was mindless, only a nag.

Quoted message said:

Said he was nagging me, in that
particular post. And he was. And he agreed, but said he thought I
needed it. Which is a bit condescending, to think you know what someone
else needs better than they do, but at least it's from a place of
caring.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

We're all trying to figure out how to live the "controlled carb" way,
and
you aren't helping by denigrating Luna.

Pat in TX
:
:

She's not denigrating me, Pat. She misunderstood me.

--
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I agree with you. What are people missing during LC that can't be made
with substitutions? I eat cookies and muffins almost every day for my
snacks by making my own LC flour and sugar substitutes. I can have LC
pasta anytime now that Dreamfields products are available. I eat LC
cereals on weekends. Those were the only things that I would have missed
if I didn't have LC ingredients to substitute.
There are good LC breads available, although I've never been much of a
bread eater (one loaf lasts me months). I don't use any of these things,
but for people who want candy, ice cream, etc. there are lots of LC
products available. I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone eat them on a
regular basis because I think they're mostly empty calories just like their
high-carb originals, but they're available for that occasional craving.

on Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:32:34 GMT, "BJ in Texas" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Gues I don't understand the idea of "deprived" when it comes
to a low-carb 'life-style'. Sure I have eliminated some things
from
my diet and greatly decreased others. However in none of those
things is there anything I can't do without or is not available
from
some other food source. Low-carb is just that, a 'life-style'
change
implying there is no looking back.

-----
Bev

Bread, cookies, pasta, and muffins are not low carb, you fat idiot.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Bev-Ann" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I agree with you. What are people missing during LC that can't be made
with substitutions? I eat cookies and muffins almost every day for my
snacks by making my own LC flour and sugar substitutes. I can have LC
pasta anytime now that Dreamfields products are available. I eat LC
cereals on weekends. Those were the only things that I would have missed
if I didn't have LC ingredients to substitute.
There are good LC breads available, although I've never been much of a
bread eater (one loaf lasts me months). I don't use any of these things,
but for people who want candy, ice cream, etc. there are lots of LC
products available. I certainly wouldn't recommend anyone eat them on a
regular basis because I think they're mostly empty calories just like
their
high-carb originals, but they're available for that occasional craving.

on Fri, 01 Jul 2005 18:32:34 GMT, "BJ in Texas" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Gues I don't understand the idea of "deprived" when it comes
to a low-carb 'life-style'. Sure I have eliminated some things
from
my diet and greatly decreased others. However in none of those
things is there anything I can't do without or is not available
from
some other food source. Low-carb is just that, a 'life-style'
change
implying there is no looking back.

-----
Bev

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

nanner said:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>
> : You're so funny - you remind me of me when I was young and knew
> everything
> : and had purple hair.
> :
> : I think that's why Roger likes to nag you, you are like the group's
> token
> : teenage daughter.
>
> I disagree. She didn't say "all people", she say "lots of people" and,
> she's right! That is the main reason people fall away from strict
> regimens.
> They feel deprived. Her post came across to me as being a thoughtful,
> rational way to try and figure out how to control the "I'm deprived"
> feelings we all get from time to time. (if you only knew how much I
> love
> baked potates!)

Sorry 'bout the potato hang-up, Pat
>
> So, try to put aside your prejudices when it comes to her

I like her, i am not prejudicced against her because sh emakes me laugh
and
seems juvenile

I'm not juvenile, I have a youthful spirit.

there's a difference between being youthful and being childish

Lol. With all the arguments here that devolve into name-calling, you
call _me_ childish. When I disagree with someone, I'm careful to argue
the points and explain the reasoning behind my opinions without
resorting to personal attacks (like calling someone childish). I mean,
come on, you can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people
who've debated JC without calling him names, you gotta give me some
maturity points for that at least.

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>and make an effort
> to be neutral--and take each post as an individual post. As for Roger,
> I
> don't get the sense that he "nags" anyone.

I don't either but SHE does and whines about it and goes on and on
everythime he suggets something to her LOL

_Every_ time? I can only think of once. Now you sound juvenile, like
my sister when she was a kid, and how she'd say "You always do blah blah
blah!" I posted here about commitment to exercise, and Roger completely
changed the subject by telling me all the other things he thinks I
should be doing. It wasn't on the subject I was talking about, it was
unasked for, and it was about stuff I'm already working on. I can't
think of a better way to describe nagging. I mean, how would you feel
if you told a casual acquaintance how you made a vow to exercise every
day, and they responded with "You should get a better job"?

I wouldn't describe people on Usenet as casual aquaintences.

Well, they're not friends, enemies, or complete strangers.

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If you post on
here you are looking for people to comment. Any crackpot with any goofball
remark is welcome to respond. That's usenet.

But I'm not welcome to criticize their response? Sure, if I post "I
need a recipe for jerk chicken" there's nothing to stop you from
responding "You should get a haircut." Just because it's Usenet doesn't
magically make that response helpful or relevant.

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> He has thoughtful things to say,
> and he does. '

I agree

>He isn't a mindless "nag".

Her words , not mine - i am sure he knows that

Never said he was a mindless nag.

I never said you said he was mindless, only a nag.

Your words, not mine. Labeling an entire person for the contents of one
of their posts isn't my style. Just because someone is nagging me
doesn't mean they _are_ a nag. Maybe when you're more mature you'll
learn the difference.

Look, seriously, all I'm doing here is what most of us are. Trying to
figure out the best way to be the best possible version of myself,
sharing anything I may have learned along the way that might possibly
help someone else, and trying to learn from the experiences of others.
Am I perfect? No. Do I always understand what I'm doing, am I always
successful, am I always helpful, do I always get along perfectly with
everyone else? Of course not. But I'm not playing games, I don't have
any ulterior motives, I'm not trying to sell anything, I'm honest about
my mistakes and bad choices, and I'm open to feedback.

When I started this thread, it was about a struggle I had, and that
others might have too. I wouldn't have been surprised or upset at all
for someone to post something like "That's a bad way of looking at
things, it doesn't work, and here's why." Instead I got, in a nutshell
"Not everyone has the same problem you do, you're projecting." Does it
surprise you that I was kinda "huh wha?" I guess for your benefit, the
next time I crave, oh I dunno, french fries, and I want to share how I
overcame that craving, I'll post a big ol' disclaimer for you:
"Attention, nanner! I know that not everyone on a low-carb diet has
french fry cravings! I'm not making this post because I assume that
they do! If you never crave french fries, stop reading now!" Would
that satisfy your objections to my post?

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Luna, it takes two people to play a game. You're playing one with her, now.
Ignore the game and it will stop.

Pat in TX

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Luna, it takes two people to play a game. You're playing one with her, now.
Ignore the game and it will stop.

Pat in TX

I don't think it's a game. Nanner's not a troll. I consider it a
friendly debate, and I hope nanner does too.

This isn't the first time someone here has advised me not to argue with
someone, what's that all about? I appreciate the peace-keeping impulse,
but I've noticed a trend, not just here but irl too, of people being
afraid to voice differing opinions, I'm guessing out of fear of giving
offense or starting a fight. That saddens me.

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JC Der Koenig said:

Bread, cookies, pasta, and muffins are not low carb, you fat idiot.

It is interesting that we are seeing the same phenomenon that appeared
with the advent of low fat.

Low fat in itself was never harmful, but the manner in which many people
(perhaps most people) applied it was. They saw a product labeled low fat
and proceeded to consume as much of it as they desired, rather than
applying logic and some degree of self moderation. They would see a
product labeled as having ten percent less fat, then eat four times as
much of it, wondering all the time why they weren't losing weight. A
similar thing is happening with low carb where many ignore calories,
believing that as long as they are reducing carbs, calories won't make a
difference.

There is no such thing as low carb pasta, yet many thousands read the
misleading labeling on a "lower than standard" pasta and assume that it
is low carb and ok to eat. Maybe, just for those people who do not grasp
the concept behind low carb, nutrition labels should ban the use of the
wording low carb unless the product is truly low carb. Replace the label
with "Reduced Carb", a far more honest and less misleading indicator.

I have difficulty understanding people who decide on a low carb approach
to diet and then immediately hunt down the same high carb food types
that caused their initial weight problems. They aren't changing
lifestyle, they are merely switching brands.

Regards

David

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