Re: OT? New rig

Jet said:

Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?

*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
an average of 21. More concerned with keeping the HR where it
needs to be then getting all epic and [censored].

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I understand - it -is- quite shiny. ;-)

*** It was far from shiny the other day after 45 miles in the
rain. But I cleaned it up because the Fred Manual says
bikes work better when free of debris. T/F?

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Keith Alexander® said:

Jet said:

Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?

*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
an average of 21. More concerned with keeping the HR where it
needs to be then getting all epic and [censored].

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I understand - it -is- quite shiny. ;-)

*** It was far from shiny the other day after 45 miles in the
rain. But I cleaned it up because the Fred Manual says
bikes work better when free of debris. T/F?

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Hey Keith
Nice bike and great attitude. It's cool to own [censored] that's better than
you, but is close enough to make you want to get there.
Bill C

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:20:53 -0400, Keith Alexander®

keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net said:

Jet said:

Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?

*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
an average of 21.

Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
at 40? You average speed sounds ok, if a little on the low side. Losing
that fat should help, though. My uncle Harry gets about 21 on his beach
cruiser, though he usually has an awesome tail-wind. He's done a lot of
customizing though.

I usually get about 26kph on the flats, but I ride a low end Trek.

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More concerned with keeping the HR where it
needs to be then getting all epic and [censored].

Well you did promise 'quantitative' comparisons on the Webpag. So you can't
even let slip the price tag? I won't tell. ;-) If it's over $2K USD, I
hope the bike weighs in at < 18lbs.

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I understand - it -is- quite shiny. ;-)

*** It was far from shiny the other day after 45 miles in the
rain. But I cleaned it up because the Fred Manual says
bikes work better when free of debris. T/F?

There's a Manual? Keen. Is that on the web yet?

thanks!,

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Jet said:

Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
at 40?

*** Very. And compared to the LOOK, veryer.

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You average speed sounds ok, if a little on the low side.

*** As stated, HR was is the main concern. Read for comprehension.

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Losing that fat should help, though.

*** Youbetcha. But I dunno, I sure like my dark beer.

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My uncle Harry gets about 21 on his beach cruiser,

*** He does 65 miles on that? Awesome.

I've been looking at the Electra Rat Fink.
Maybe a Black Betty for my girl.

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though he usually has an awesome tail-wind.

*** A shame that most of my riding is into headwinds.
But you know, resistance training and all that.
You sure like your hyphens.

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I usually get about 26kph on the flats, but I ride a low end Trek.

*** Lose some weight. It ain't the bike.

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Well you did promise 'quantitative' comparisons on the Webpag.

*** Promised?

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If it's over $2K USD, I hope the bike weighs in at < 18lbs.

*** Sans [censored], it's under that.

You want me, don't you?

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There's a Manual? Keen. Is that on the web yet?

*** I'd share the URL, but people who say "kewl"
kinda creep me out.

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Jet said:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:20:53 -0400, Keith Alexander®

keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net said:

Jet said:

Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?

*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
an average of 21.

Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
at 40?

WTF 40mph on a descent is nothing. That's one of the few things my fat
ass does well and I'm hitting 38mph on the molehills I can climb these
days.
What really got my attention was doing 60mph down a technical downhill
at GMBC last year on the motor and having to crank it up to avoid being
overtaken.
40mph is NOT grounds for a self congrats tat....even for fatass
masters.
Bill C

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 19:20:46 -0400, Keith Alexander®

keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net said:

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Losing that fat should help, though.

*** Youbetcha. But I dunno, I sure like my dark beer.

Just be sure and only imbibe post-ride!

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My uncle Harry gets about 21 on his beach cruiser,

*** He does 65 miles on that? Awesome.

Once, during a twister.

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I've been looking at the Electra Rat Fink.
Maybe a Black Betty for my girl.

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though he usually has an awesome tail-wind.

*** A shame that most of my riding is into headwinds.
But you know, resistance training and all that.
You sure like your hyphens.

Just took a look at your top page. Nice. Kidding aside, if you've improved
from riding 15mph avg speeds in Oct 04 to riding 65miles at an avg speed of
21 mph I -am- impressed. How much of that is the bike vs your training?

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I usually get about 26kph on the flats, but I ride a low end Trek.

*** Lose some weight. It ain't the bike.

That's what Lance says; it ain't about the bike. I'm not sure, though. So
yours looks closest to the 'Allez'. 'Zat sound right? (the hot link had
expired on the Webpage)

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Well you did promise 'quantitative' comparisons on the Webpag.

*** Promised?

Aw-w, coy now? No need.

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If it's over $2K USD, I hope the bike weighs in at < 18lbs.

*** Sans [censored], it's under that.

Well -that- rules. Still to average 21 mph is awesome. props. I hope to hit
20mph for an hour by late next year. So you don't ride the Trek 1000
anymore? I have the 05 and it's pretty nice. I hope to go under 18lbs when
I trade up late next year.

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You want me, don't you?

Just keep sending pics of the bike, is all I'm sayin'. ;-D

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There's a Manual? Keen. Is that on the web yet?

*** I'd share the URL, but people who say "kewl"
kinda creep me out.

Yeah, but I'm just funnin' around with you, ya know. Take 'er easy, man.

jj

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Bill C said:

WTF 40mph on a descent is nothing.

Dumbass -

Ya.

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

Bill C said:

Jet said:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:20:53 -0400, Keith Alexander®

keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net said:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:07:25 -0400, Jet<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?

*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
an average of 21.

Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
at 40?

I just hit 36-ish for the first time last fall, but that was riding my Trek
hybrid. Did not feel especially stable - it was cool to climb the first
foothill that allowed that speed.

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WTF 40mph on a descent is nothing. That's one of the few things my fat
ass does well and I'm hitting 38mph on the molehills I can climb these
days.

38-ish is the highest I got so far, but I was seriously surprised that the
Trek 1000 is so stable at that speed. It was just begging to go faster. My
late 1960s 10-speed easily hit 35 once on a short downhill, but it felt
risky.

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What really got my attention was doing 60mph down a technical downhill
at GMBC last year on the motor and having to crank it up to avoid being
overtaken.

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40mph is NOT grounds for a self congrats tat....even for fatass
masters.
Bill C

Still...wait until you get there before concluding. Only a few places
around here that I could risk that b/c of traffic, otherwise I'd be there
as soon as I can climb them that is. <g> (Obviously I was just pulling
Keith's leg in those exchanges - he's a good guy.)

Cool that you're climbing at those higher lbs, though. Keep it up. ;-)

jj

Kurgan Gringioni said:

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

*** I saw no "bragging." Just a simple statement
of fact. A snapshot of where I am in my development
as a cyclist at this moment. That's all.

I'm well aware that pros approach 70+ miles
on the descents. And while I'm at it, what the
heck... I've hit 40 on sprints. Short ones, but
balls out effort for this fatass over 40 year old.

I harbor no delusions of granduer. I just dig it.

How about you?

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Jet said:

How much of that is the bike vs your training?

*** All training, but the bike(s) don't hurt.

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yours looks closest to the 'Allez'. 'Zat sound right?

*** Yes. But it's "special."

Like Kurgan.

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Jet said:

Bill C said:

Jet said:

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:20:53 -0400, Keith Alexander®
<keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:07:25 -0400, Jet<[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>>Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?
>
>*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
>an average of 21.

Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
at 40?

I just hit 36-ish for the first time last fall, but that was riding my Trek
hybrid. Did not feel especially stable - it was cool to climb the first
foothill that allowed that speed.

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WTF 40mph on a descent is nothing. That's one of the few things my fat
ass does well and I'm hitting 38mph on the molehills I can climb these
days.

38-ish is the highest I got so far, but I was seriously surprised that the
Trek 1000 is so stable at that speed. It was just begging to go faster. My
late 1960s 10-speed easily hit 35 once on a short downhill, but it felt
risky.

Quoted message said:

What really got my attention was doing 60mph down a technical downhill
at GMBC last year on the motor and having to crank it up to avoid being
overtaken.

Quoted message said:

40mph is NOT grounds for a self congrats tat....even for fatass
masters.
Bill C

(Obviously I was just pulling

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Keith's leg in those exchanges - he's a good guy.)

jj

Yeah Keith is another of the people here I really like. I'd kill to
get my ride averages these days above 18. Being gravitationally
enhanced has it's points, but I'm still slow as [censored] on a good bike.
http://www.bates-lee.com/masi/html/gallery/3V/3v_intro.html
Mine is British Racing Green and is stiff enough that I've never had a
problem, but is comfortable as [censored]. I love it.
Bill C

Keith Alexander® said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

*** I saw no "bragging." Just a simple statement
of fact. A snapshot of where I am in my development
as a cyclist at this moment. That's all.

I'm well aware that pros approach 70+ miles
on the descents. And while I'm at it, what the
heck... I've hit 40 on sprints. Short ones, but
balls out effort for this fatass over 40 year old.

I harbor no delusions of granduer. I just dig it.

How about you?

Hey Keith
Henry was pretty damn good. He might [censored] people off, but he wasn't a
half bad racer. Most of us would like to be as good as he was.
Bill C

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 20:07:15 -0400, Keith Alexander®

keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

*** I saw no "bragging." Just a simple statement
of fact. A snapshot of where I am in my development
as a cyclist at this moment. That's all.

I'm well aware that pros approach 70+ miles
on the descents. And while I'm at it, what the
heck... I've hit 40 on sprints. Short ones, but
balls out effort for this fatass over 40 year old.

Man, I don't know how to tell you this, but you're a frickin' phenom and
don't know it. From your '04 weblog:

"I'm working from home today, but decided to get as many miles in as
possible during a long lunch. Geared up, hopped on and took off. It's way
hot in NYC. Anyway, I do the usual route today but I see this guy .25 mile
ahead, obviously a racer. I decide to try to close the gap but I just
can't. We're at about 26MPH and despite my best effort, no luck.

Best I could do was 32mph with a slight tailwind, last winter. What's your
secret? I'll make another attempt tomorrow morning...

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I harbor no delusions of granduer. I just dig it.

How about you?

KG may not ride much these days, but his quipping to master fatties is,
how do you say, Hell on Wheels: http://imdb.com/title/tt0384162/

jj

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Keith Alexander® said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

*** I saw no "bragging." Just a simple statement
of fact. A snapshot of where I am in my development
as a cyclist at this moment. That's all.

I'm well aware that pros approach 70+ miles
on the descents. And while I'm at it, what the
heck... I've hit 40 on sprints. Short ones, but
balls out effort for this fatass over 40 year old.

I harbor no delusions of granduer. I just dig it.

How about you?

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k e i t h a l e x a n d e r

I had a wheel where the bearing races had gotten worn on my Benotto.
That bit me in the ass coming down a seriously steep hill in Tacoma. I
thought I was going over the seawall and onto the rocks when it went
into a high speed wobble coming down the hill at about 50mph. I'm
partial to the old school frame geometry. I guess I'm a retro-grouch
but sloping top tubes and generic sized frames aren't for me.
Give me lugs and a box crown fork.
Bill C

Bill C said:

Jet said:

Bill C said:

Jet wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:20:53 -0400, Keith Alexander®
> <keith@REMOVE!nootrope.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 18:07:25 -0400, Jet<[email hidden]> wrote:
> >
> >>Guess it's too soon to have ridden it yet?
> >
> >*** Just back from 65 miles. Top speed of 40 (descent) with
> >an average of 21.
>
> Wow. That must have been some descent. The Specialized feel pretty stable
> at 40?

I just hit 36-ish for the first time last fall, but that was riding my Trek
hybrid. Did not feel especially stable - it was cool to climb the first
foothill that allowed that speed.

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WTF 40mph on a descent is nothing. That's one of the few things my fat
ass does well and I'm hitting 38mph on the molehills I can climb these
days.

38-ish is the highest I got so far, but I was seriously surprised that the
Trek 1000 is so stable at that speed. It was just begging to go faster. My
late 1960s 10-speed easily hit 35 once on a short downhill, but it felt
risky.

Quoted message said:

What really got my attention was doing 60mph down a technical downhill
at GMBC last year on the motor and having to crank it up to avoid being
overtaken.

Quoted message said:

40mph is NOT grounds for a self congrats tat....even for fatass
masters.
Bill C

(Obviously I was just pulling

Quoted message said:

Keith's leg in those exchanges - he's a good guy.)

jj

Yeah Keith is another of the people here I really like. I'd kill to
get my ride averages these days above 18. Being gravitationally
enhanced has it's points, but I'm still slow as [censored] on a good bike.
http://www.bates-lee.com/masi/html/gallery/3V/3v_intro.html
Mine is British Racing Green and is stiff enough that I've never had a
problem, but is comfortable as [censored]. I love it.
Bill C

Nice ride, Bill.

This is almost 22 months back for me - last year, my avgs for early 2004
were only in the mid 13 mph range - pitiful even with a leg injury. Now I'm
routinely getting mid 16mph in the foothills - haven't ridden the flats
since Feb. I'm eager to see what losing wt and riding hard all winter has
done for my times at the beach. ;-)

My best time for a more-or-less flat 3.2mile course there in July 04 is
about 11:50 in traffic. That's just a twitch over 16mph. This year I'm
hoping to do it in 10:06 !

jj

Bill C said:

Keith Alexander® said:

Kurgan Gringioni said:

If someone's going to brag about doing 40, it should be sprinting @ 40.

*** I saw no "bragging." Just a simple statement
of fact. A snapshot of where I am in my development
as a cyclist at this moment. That's all.

I'm well aware that pros approach 70+ miles
on the descents. And while I'm at it, what the
heck... I've hit 40 on sprints. Short ones, but
balls out effort for this fatass over 40 year old.

I harbor no delusions of granduer. I just dig it.

How about you?

---
k e i t h a l e x a n d e r

I had a wheel where the bearing races had gotten worn on my Benotto.
That bit me in the ass coming down a seriously steep hill in Tacoma. I
thought I was going over the seawall and onto the rocks when it went
into a high speed wobble coming down the hill at about 50mph. I'm
partial to the old school frame geometry. I guess I'm a retro-grouch
but sloping top tubes and generic sized frames aren't for me.
Give me lugs and a box crown fork.
Bill C

This is really close to my Benotto:
http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/benotto.html
Bill C

Bill C says...

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This is really close to my Benotto:
http://www.campyonly.com/mypages/benotto.html

Sweet ride, Bill! I'm rebuilding my old Nishiki Pro, with a little help from
the used bike shop on ebay.

Jet said:

This is almost 22 months back for me - last year, my avgs for early 2004
were only in the mid 13 mph range - pitiful even with a leg injury. Now I'm
routinely getting mid 16mph in the foothills - haven't ridden the flats
since Feb. I'm eager to see what losing wt and riding hard all winter has
done for my times at the beach. ;-)

My best time for a more-or-less flat 3.2mile course there in July 04 is
about 11:50 in traffic. That's just a twitch over 16mph. This year I'm
hoping to do it in 10:06 !

jj

Average speed is a weird thing. Hills, wind... it seems to change so
much with these variables.

Give me flat, no wind, no hills and I can bang out 20mph pretty easy
for 20 miles. But cross-winds and hills..... 20 miles doesn't feel any
longer but 16mph average seems a chore. I could understand if I was
chubby but at 145-150lbs the hills shouldn't make THAT much of a
difference. Wind, maybe.

I've followed racing for quite awhile but didn't even buy a road bike
until last fall. The range in ability to hold average speeds over
distance is surprising to me, though I suppose it shouldn't be.

I ride to stay fit for another sport so speed isn't that big of a deal
but it would be nice to average 20+mph all the time.

D