group runs

Do you "group [censored]" afterward too?

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Do you "group [censored]" afterward too?

No, I don't. But that doesn't mean I couldn't or wouldn't
or whatever. Quite a bit of what we do is influenced by
the environment and circumstances. For instance, if any
of us were imprisoned as in a regular county jail or in
Abu Ghraib, we wouldn't be in control of what would be
done to us or forced to do.

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we wouldn't be in control of what would be done to us or forced to do.>

So do you mean, that as a close group you would "service" each other to
stay happy?
Or if we were on a run, and I just whipped mine out and "had a go at
it", the rest of you would join in?
You guys sound like a fun group...

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So I will get back to running by myself. My only concern is with the
solitude. While solitude in trails can be soothening, it can also
be eerily disconcerting - just the fear of the unknown or more than
that. I recently bought a book written by a local trail runner who

This won't help with dangerous animals--at least I don't think it
will--but I always carry a whistle on long trail runs in case I, say,
sprain an ankle and need some help.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

* wink *

Harold Buck said:

This won't help with dangerous animals--at least I don't think it
will--but I always carry a whistle on long trail runs in case I, say,
sprain an ankle and need some help.

Whistles are ok for signalling for help, but may attract bears - they
sound like small mammals squealing.

been there, done that, learned quickly when 2 grizzlies stopped in their
tracks and were thinking about heading toward the whistle

Dot

--
"So many people get stuck in the routine of life that their dreams waste
away. This is about living the dream." - Cave Dog

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Dot dot.h@#duh?att.net said:

Harold Buck said:

This won't help with dangerous animals--at least I don't think it
will--but I always carry a whistle on long trail runs in case I, say,
sprain an ankle and need some help.

Whistles are ok for signalling for help, but may attract bears - they
sound like small mammals squealing.

been there, done that, learned quickly when 2 grizzlies stopped in their
tracks and were thinking about heading toward the whistle

Good to know, but the bears would have to be coming from pretty far away
to get me, I think.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

Idiot. Grizzlies and black bears are two different animals.

I am not sure if you all are having the serious mountain lion problems up
there as we are down in So Cal. They have been getting really bad over the
past few years and we had several attacks down here this past year,
including one death and one serious mauling. I always carried a little
thing of pepper spray when I was alone just in case. I don't know if it
would really stop a mountain lion, but I always felt it was better than
nothing. I have seen bears several times on runs, but they are usually
running in the other direction. Also, I am sure you know to let someone
know where/when, etc. so that if you don't come right back someone will know
where to look. We have had people hurt themselves on group runs (mostly
turned ankles, but also a torn calf muscle) and thank goodness we noticed
that their car was still there and went back to help them in.

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Joined a running club recently hoping to join some group runs
occassionally. Group runs offset low motivation, atleast IMHO.
Membership doesn't cost much and the newsletters are fairly good.

Anyways, there was a post in the club mailing list that there would
be a group run this morning - a trail run at that. So I made plans
and headed to the meeting place. No one else showed up. I wasn't
upset since it wasn't something I wasn't prepared for. Running isn't
a team sport unlike soccer, basketball etc. You can run alone and
at times that suit you.

So I will get back to running by myself. My only concern is with the
solitude. While solitude in trails can be soothening, it can also
be eerily disconcerting - just the fear of the unknown or more than
that. I recently bought a book written by a local trail runner who
ran on local trails for more than 20 years. While he advocated trail
running in the book and listed a handful of local trails, he also
cautioned against "critters" (wild pigs etc) and on rare occassions
unpleasant encounters with gangs.

I am not worried about bears in these areas (central coast of CA).
Bears are found fairly commonly in High Sierras, but not over here.
But I am worried somewhat about the rare possible encounter with a
mountain lion. The author of the book mentioned that he came across
a mountain lion just once and then he chose to risk running towards
it rather than away from it. I can't tell what I might do if that
happens to me.

Nevertheless it is a risk I'll have to take if I wish to train on
trails. Pray for me.

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We have had people hurt themselves on group runs (mostly

turned ankles, but also a torn calf muscle) and thank goodness we
noticed
that their car was still there and went back to help them in.>

Oh c'mon now, doesn't that take all the fun out of it? Leave them out
there for a few days before you go looking, it builds character.

Lori Fisher said:

I am not sure if you all are having the serious mountain lion problems up
there as we are down in So Cal. They have been getting really bad over the
past few years and we had several attacks down here this past year,
including one death and one serious mauling. I always carried a little
thing of pepper spray when I was alone just in case.

This stuff is supposed to stop grizzly bear:
http://www.guardalaska.com/bearspray.htm

Not sure about mountain lions.

tkb

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I am not sure if you all are having the serious mountain lion problems up
there as we are down in So Cal. They have been getting really bad over the
past few years and we had several attacks down here this past year,
including one death and one serious mauling. I always carried a little
thing of pepper spray when I was alone just in case. I don't know if it
would really stop a mountain lion, but I always felt it was better than
nothing. I have seen bears several times on runs, but they are usually
running in the other direction. Also, I am sure you know to let someone
know where/when, etc. so that if you don't come right back someone will

know

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where to look. We have had people hurt themselves on group runs (mostly
turned ankles, but also a torn calf muscle) and thank goodness we noticed
that their car was still there and went back to help them in.

From the reports of lion attacks I've read about, the time they attack you
don't see them until they're on you. They can jump upwards of 30 feet, so
they could be on a ledge or in a tree and pounce. So... it's unlikely you
could pepper spray it on first attack. If you've ever seen your own housecat
stalk prey, you get an idea why you wouldn't see it. Though not infallible,
sensory awareness is key. Also beware the spooky feeling of being watched or
when the hair on the back of your neck stands up, or it can be more subtle.
If you feel that get out your pepper spray and look around.

The general trend is wildlife reintegrating into suburban areas is
remarkable here in the new york area. We have coyotes living in small parks
in our heavily-developed county just 20 miles north of NYC. The deer have
now spread to live in the small patches of woods left in development areas,
and can sometimes be seen walking on the street and among houses not one
mile from the busy town center. Bears are so numerous in suburban New Jersey
that there's a huge fight between animal rights groups and homeowners who
want them to be hunted. Once the wildlife loses it's fear of humans then
humans and pets etc. become prey.

-Tony

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Joined a running club recently hoping to join some group runs
occassionally. Group runs offset low motivation, atleast IMHO.
Membership doesn't cost much and the newsletters are fairly good.

Anyways, there was a post in the club mailing list that there would
be a group run this morning - a trail run at that. So I made plans
and headed to the meeting place. No one else showed up. I wasn't
upset since it wasn't something I wasn't prepared for. Running isn't
a team sport unlike soccer, basketball etc. You can run alone and
at times that suit you.

So I will get back to running by myself. My only concern is with the
solitude. While solitude in trails can be soothening, it can also
be eerily disconcerting - just the fear of the unknown or more than
that. I recently bought a book written by a local trail runner who
ran on local trails for more than 20 years. While he advocated trail
running in the book and listed a handful of local trails, he also
cautioned against "critters" (wild pigs etc) and on rare occassions
unpleasant encounters with gangs.

I am not worried about bears in these areas (central coast of CA).
Bears are found fairly commonly in High Sierras, but not over here.
But I am worried somewhat about the rare possible encounter with a
mountain lion. The author of the book mentioned that he came across
a mountain lion just once and then he chose to risk running towards
it rather than away from it. I can't tell what I might do if that
happens to me.

Nevertheless it is a risk I'll have to take if I wish to train on
trails. Pray for me.

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Idiot. Grizzlies and black bears are two different animals.

Grizzly Bear A and Grizzly Bear B are also two different animals.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

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Also beware the spooky feeling of being watched or

when the hair on the back of your neck stands up, or it can be more
subtle.>

Just remember, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

I'm surprised you joggers can get anyone to speak to you, let alone
spend time with you.........even if it IS other joggers.

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I am not sure if you all are having the serious mountain lion problems up
there as we are down in So Cal. They have been getting really bad over the
past few years and we had several attacks down here this past year,
including one death and one serious mauling.

You have to put it in perspective.
More runners die from drinking too much water or get struck
from lightning during versus lions killing three in the
past 15 years. And I'd guess car accidents would far
outrank any of these causes.
And *not exercising* is esimated to double the death
rates from cardivascular disease and cancer.

I lived a year in the Pasadena area and learned from experience that
the fire trails leading into the mountains can be dangerous running
alone. On two occasions over the course of a year a lion was found
inside JPL's security area ... and they weren't wearing a badge or
being escorted either! If they're getting into the base you know there
must be a lot more on the mountain trails.

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rick++ said:

Quoted message said:

I am not sure if you all are having the serious mountain lion problems up
there as we are down in So Cal. They have been getting really bad over the
past few years and we had several attacks down here this past year,
including one death and one serious mauling.

You have to put it in perspective.
More runners die from drinking too much water or get struck
from lightning during versus lions killing three in the
past 15 years. And I'd guess car accidents would far
outrank any of these causes.
And *not exercising* is esimated to double the death
rates from cardivascular disease and cancer.

Yeah, but getting killed by a lion is worse than getting killed by a car
or lightning or hyponatremia, because in the first case you end up dead
and in the other cases you, uh, well. . . .

This is no different than people obsessing about terrorism as they drive
down the road doing 90 mph with no seatbelt, smoking a cigarette,
driking a beer, talking on their cell phones, and stuffing handfuls of
cheeseburgers into their obese bodies.

--Harold Buck

"I used to rock and roll all night,
and party every day.
Then it was every other day. . . ."
-Homer J. Simpson

It really depends on what works for you.
Some people are motivated by company.
Some like solitude.