Re: well....[censored].

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Lass Chance said:

Thanks for the helpful comment, Marsha. No, I didnt read the book at
all. or any other book, actually, since about 1980.

Sarcasm duly noted.

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I did order it on tape, however and am expecting it pretty much any time
now. The Library for the Blind has 11 copies---all were "out".

LassChance

You were given a link to the Atkins site a few weeks ago, which gives a
list of approved items. I'm assuming since you can read the newsgroup, you
can also read that site. If not, my apologies. Aside from that, a bottle
of wine per day would qualify you as an alcoholic. You responded to a
post back in May that you only wanted a drink when you were hungry, but
then that "led you to another" and so on. You shouldn't be getting
hungry on induction, and most of your carbs should be coming from
vegetables.

Marsha/Ohio

Guess I'm thick-headed, I didn't actually see any sarcasm there.

What I did see was someone excpress their particular lifestyle. We all have
different ways of living, and focusing on a WOE may not be prevalent for
some. There are about ten zillion factors that make us each unique, and I
have my faults like anyoe else. I just don't like the idea of getting
judgemental about anyone.

Just me!

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"There are about ten zillion factors that
make us each unique,....."~Jim

Amen. One of mine is, I dont deal well with "should". Im too old, too
tough and been paying my own rent way too damn long to be told "should"
by anydamnbody.

Im ok with, "what works is..." or "what doesnt work is...." but "should"
is like a red cape to a cross-eyed bull.

Jesus Christ has my permission to say 'should" to me, or his Old Man.
Anybody short of that....
tell it to the hand. (or, BIOYA, to borrow a term!)

LassChance

Start LC~5-16-05
202-194-165
(i only weigh on Sunday)

Lass Chance said:

Amen. One of mine is, I dont deal well with "should". Im too old, too
tough and been paying my own rent way too damn long to be told "should"
by anydamnbody.

Im ok with, "what works is..." or "what doesnt work is...." but "should"
is like a red cape to a cross-eyed bull.

Jesus Christ has my permission to say 'should" to me, or his Old Man.
Anybody short of that....
tell it to the hand. (or, BIOYA, to borrow a term!)

You may be an adult, but you're acting like a
two-year-old, stomping your foot, saying "I don't
have to" and doing the drama queen thing. You
start Atkins without knowing what the heck you're
doing, and when you're told what the books say,
you get in a huff. No low-carb book will suggest
that you drink an entire bottle of wine every day,
but I suppose since you don't like being told what
to do, you'll do it anyway. If you want to fail,
it's your life, but I wish you luck with your
low-carb journey anyway.

Marsha/Ohio

Quoting Jim Bard:

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"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Lass Chance said:

Thanks for the helpful comment, Marsha. No, I didnt read the book at
all. or any other book, actually, since about 1980.

Sarcasm duly noted.

Quoted message said:

I did order it on tape, however and am expecting it pretty much any time
now. The Library for the Blind has 11 copies---all were "out".

You were given a link to the Atkins site a few weeks ago, which gives a
list of approved items. I'm assuming since you can read the newsgroup, you
can also read that site. If not, my apologies. Aside from that, a bottle
of wine per day would qualify you as an alcoholic. You responded to a
post back in May that you only wanted a drink when you were hungry, but
then that "led you to another" and so on. You shouldn't be getting
hungry on induction, and most of your carbs should be coming from
vegetables.

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Quoted message said:

Guess I'm thick-headed, I didn't actually see any sarcasm there.

lol

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What I did see was someone excpress their particular lifestyle. We all have
different ways of living, and focusing on a WOE may not be prevalent for
some.

OP -asked- for advice, then was given advice by several people (on the
alcohol, on where to go for general guidelines until she could get the
book, on how to do induction in general, etc.).

She didn't follow the advice, -and- is now expressing a bit of
surprise over the results.

So yeah, people are naturally going to comment a bit.

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There are about ten zillion factors that make us each unique, and I
have my faults like anyoe else.

I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. I'll need to make the check
out to 'I'm OK, You're OK' Enterprises, right? 🙂

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I just don't like the idea of getting
judgemental about anyone.

Does simply stating the facts equal "judgmental" to you?
If so, tfb. This is ASDLC, not ASDLC kumbaya.

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Just me!

Me too. Wheeeee!

Help me out with something here.
In one post, you're touting JC as the man, then a few posts later,
you're schoolmarming Marcia for telling it like it is.
(not that I have a problem with either one of them...)

What gives?
It's the sunglasses, right?

"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
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Help me out with something here.
In one post, you're touting JC as the man, then a few posts later,
you're schoolmarming Marcia for telling it like it is.
(not that I have a problem with either one of them...)

What gives?
It's the sunglasses, right?

LOL

It's because she's a Yankee.

Quoting JC Der Koenig:

Quoted message said:

"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Help me out with something here.
In one post, you're touting JC as the man, then a few posts later,
you're schoolmarming Marcia for telling it like it is.
(not that I have a problem with either one of them...)

What gives?
It's the sunglasses, right?

LOL

It's because she's a Yankee.

I think it's because he's being inconsistent.

Either that, or there was a teary eyed moment there where he decided
to get in touch with his inner child.

Jeeeez, Marsha. Nobody's shot or bleeding. Take a breath.

Ever consider a career in professional Domination? Some men will pay BIG
bucks for the teacher-with-the-paddle thing. All you need is some kinky
shoes and a pruney, tight-assed, superior attitude. So, you're halfway
there.

LassChance

"You may be an adult, but you're acting like a two-year-old, stomping
your foot, saying "I don't have to" and doing the drama queen thing. You
start Atkins without knowing what the heck you're doing, and when you're
told what the books say, you get in a huff. No low-carb book will
suggest that you drink an entire bottle of wine every day, but I suppose
since you don't like being told what to do, you'll do it anyway. If you
want to fail, it's your life, but I wish you luck with your low-carb
journey anyway.
Marsha/Ohio"

LassChance

Start LC~5-16-05
202-194-165
(i only weigh on Sunday)

Lass Chance wrote:
:: Jeeeez, Marsha. Nobody's shot or bleeding. Take a breath.
::
:: Ever consider a career in professional Domination? Some men will pay
:: BIG bucks for the teacher-with-the-paddle thing. All you need is
:: some kinky shoes and a pruney, tight-assed, superior attitude. So,
:: you're halfway there.

Ah, now, LassChance....you've been given an important point here about how
to make LC work for you. A lot of people just sort of do their own thing
and get less than good results, and then say Atkin's didn't work for them,
when in truth they didn't even do it.

::
:: LassChance
::
:: "You may be an adult, but you're acting like a two-year-old, stomping
:: your foot, saying "I don't have to" and doing the drama queen thing.
:: You start Atkins without knowing what the heck you're doing, and
:: when you're told what the books say, you get in a huff. No low-carb
:: book will suggest that you drink an entire bottle of wine every day,
:: but I suppose since you don't like being told what to do, you'll do
:: it anyway. If you want to fail, it's your life, but I wish you luck
:: with your low-carb journey anyway.
:: Marsha/Ohio"
::
::
:: LassChance
::
::
:: Start LC~5-16-05
:: 202-194-165
:: (i only weigh on Sunday)

Roger---Gotcha.

Im not having a problem with the diet.

I tested the alcohol "rule" for much the same reason I often push doors
that say, "PULL"----just to see if they're pulling my leg, or wrong, or
if there are exceptions.

(Occassionally, a door marked "PULL" does open if you push. Not often,
but it's always a thril when it does.)

Some rules you can find a way around. Some, you cant. But, it's always
worth a try.

This is what I learned:
I CAN drink a [censored] of wine and still lose weight, but a lot more
slowly. Or, I CAN drink moderately and lose weight less slowly. Or, I
CAN not drink at all and lose weight quicker.

I think that's pretty good stuff to learn.

What I choose is, not drink alcohol at all until 20 lbs is gone---then
reconsider.

As the guy who jumpred off the roof said, "So far....so goooooooood..."

LassChance

Start LC~5-16-05
202-194-165
(i only weigh on Sunday)

Lass Chance said:

... I dont deal well with "should". Im too old, too
tough and been paying my own rent way too damn long to be told "should"
by anydamnbody.

Following the directions boils down to a "should".

Quoted message said:

Im ok with, "what works is..." or "what doesnt work is...." but "should"
is like a red cape to a cross-eyed bull.

Following the directions is also very specifically about
cashing in on decades of effort to not only discover what
works and what doesn't, but breaking through the obvious
barriers to discover what stuff that sounds bizzare on
the surface actually ends up working better than anything
obvious.

Quoted message said:

Jesus Christ has my permission to say 'should" to me, or his Old Man.
Anybody short of that....
tell it to the hand. (or, BIOYA, to borrow a term!)

If this means you won't follow the directions in Dr A's
books, then your level of success won't be as high as
the folks who do.

A pound per week - It's the ideal rate to keep it off.
Never call a pound each week anything other than wonderfull.

Lass Chance said:

I tested the alcohol "rule" for much the same reason I often push doors
that say, "PULL"----just to see if they're pulling my leg, or wrong, or
if there are exceptions.
...
Some rules you can find a way around. Some, you cant. But, it's always
worth a try.

If you'd had a chance to read the book yet, you would know
that specific rule onlt applies for 14 days. The entire
process is all about when and how to add stuff back in after
14 strict days. Would you really rather test the rules
and end up not taking advantage of the success of following
the rules, or would you rather follow the rules and end
up having a drink later?

You're working in ignorance, and you're doing extreme stuff.
Ignorance is curable. Read the book as soon as it arrives.

JC Der Koenig said:

It's because she's a Yankee.

Who you callin a Yankee? Doesn't midwest farm
girl count for anything?

Marsha/Ohio

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doesn't midwest farm girl count for anything?

Depends on what she's doing for me.

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Lass Chance) said:

Roger---Gotcha.

Im not having a problem with the diet.

I tested the alcohol "rule" for much the same reason I often push doors
that say, "PULL"----just to see if they're pulling my leg, or wrong, or
if there are exceptions.

(Occassionally, a door marked "PULL" does open if you push. Not often,
but it's always a thril when it does.)

Some rules you can find a way around. Some, you cant. But, it's always
worth a try.

This is what I learned:
I CAN drink a [censored] of wine and still lose weight, but a lot more
slowly. Or, I CAN drink moderately and lose weight less slowly. Or, I
CAN not drink at all and lose weight quicker.

I think that's pretty good stuff to learn.

What I choose is, not drink alcohol at all until 20 lbs is gone---then
reconsider.

As the guy who jumpred off the roof said, "So far....so goooooooood..."

LassChance

Heh... I'm stuck again too right now (I seem to stick at every 10 lbs.)
so I've decided to stop drinking also for the duration.

And there is no booze in the house. I finished the last of the Tequila
last night. <pout>

I'm drinking some herbal solar tea instead tonight....
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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JC Der Koenig said:

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Doesn't midwest farm girl count for anything?

Depends on what she's doing for me.

For you, or to you? <lol>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

"Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Doesn't midwest farm girl count for anything?

Depends on what she's doing for me.

For you, or to you? <lol>

Semantics.

Let me clear up wha appears to be a misunderstanding.

When I said I have a problem with "should", I WAS NOT referring to the
LC diet, nor to the book.

I was referring to comments about my mistake, made by Marsha with a list
of 'shoulds" spoken in a tone of superiority, judgementalness and
disrespect.

Note the name of the ng is diet.support, not
diet.oh-boy-here's-my-chance-to-feel taller-by-standing-on-someone-else.

Would this same person say 'peep" to me in person? Well, heck no. These
types would never say anything to a stranger that might result in
getting their asses handed to them. But, feel perfectly ok about overt
rudeness, hostility and general pissy-ness on Usenet, safe behind their
keyboards, like a sniper in a tree.

Imagine der Koenig being as rude in person as he is in here. His life
expectancy would be maybe three days. One, where I live.

It seems ng's are microcosms of Life. Most people ae genuine, caring and
helpful. Some couldnt get along in a pie factory and a few pretty much
need to be shot in the head for the over-all good.

The diet, tho, Im fine with.
Lost another pound, in fact.

LassChance

Start LC~5-16-05
202-194-165
(i only weigh on Sunday)

If you're really blind as you claim, I doubt you're going to be handing
anyone's ass to them.

As an aside: Why is there such a strong correlation between Webtv and
idiocy?

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

"Lass Chance" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Would this same person say 'peep" to me in person? Well, heck no. These
types would never say anything to a stranger that might result in
getting their asses handed to them. But, feel perfectly ok about overt
rudeness, hostility and general pissy-ness on Usenet, safe behind their
keyboards, like a sniper in a tree.

Imagine der Koenig being as rude in person as he is in here. His life
expectancy would be maybe three days. One, where I live.

I object to your characterization of Marsha/Ohio as one of "these types".
You're wrong on that count.

Lass Chance wrote:
:: Let me clear up wha appears to be a misunderstanding.
::
:: When I said I have a problem with "should", I WAS NOT referring to
:: the LC diet, nor to the book.
::
:: I was referring to comments about my mistake, made by Marsha with a
:: list of 'shoulds" spoken in a tone of superiority, judgementalness
:: and disrespect.
::
:: Note the name of the ng is diet.support, not
:: diet.oh-boy-here's-my-chance-to-feel
:: taller-by-standing-on-someone-else.
::
:: Would this same person say 'peep" to me in person? Well, heck no.
:: These types would never say anything to a stranger that might result
:: in getting their asses handed to them. But, feel perfectly ok
:: about overt rudeness, hostility and general pissy-ness on Usenet,
:: safe behind their keyboards, like a sniper in a tree.
::
:: Imagine der Koenig being as rude in person as he is in here. His life
:: expectancy would be maybe three days. One, where I live.
::
:: It seems ng's are microcosms of Life. Most people ae genuine, caring
:: and helpful. Some couldnt get along in a pie factory and a few
:: pretty much need to be shot in the head for the over-all good.
::
:: The diet, tho, Im fine with.
:: Lost another pound, in fact.
::
:: LassChance
::
::
:: Start LC~5-16-05
:: 202-194-165
:: (i only weigh on Sunday)