tool help?

On 06/02/2005 16:05:57 'C.J.Patten said:

Thanks to everyone who provided feedback in the "roadside tool kit"
thread. I felt my next questions were off-topic enough to warrant the new
thread.

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I'm putting together a toolkit to go in a seat-post pouch.

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I have an Irwin/Chesco Hex-key set http://tinyurl.com/alzy6 that I figured
would be way overkill. I tried the metric set (2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8mm)
and it seems my bike has a bolt with EVERY one of those sizes! 😄

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I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

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I'm trying to decide if there's anything else I need. I have a chain
cracker around here somewhere...

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Seems I have some old tools here that I think I have NO use for anymore.
Something stamped "Park Tool - SPA6" that I think removed bottom bracket
cartridges? Another stamped "lock ring wrench" for my former bike's
bottom bracket as well.

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I have a couple of little "nut-like" widgety tools for Shimano freewheel
service I think? ("Shimano TL FW30 Universal Freehub extractor"😉
http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID0&SKU=TL2015 and something that has
two parts - a threaded shaft with a cup on the end and a threaded collar
that goes over it... forget what I used that for.

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My current bike has some kind of odd "toothed" bottom bracked insert.
What's with this new design? (I'll try to get photos if you need them) I
think a lot's changed in the 14 years since I last bought a bike.

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What tools do I need to work on the rear hub? Don't know how to tell if
it's a cassette or otherwise.

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Front derailleur is Deore, rear Sora, chain says Shimano Narrow IG - any
of that help?

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Please forgive my ignorance - I'm still learning. 🙂

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Chris

I have a Newton multi tool with chain splitter, can do most things with it, I have everthing else to but then I sell recumbent trikes.
I would certainly recommend the Newton though.

--
Buck

I would rather be out on my Catrike

www.catrike.co.uk

Ain't touching this one...

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Ain't touching this one...

LOL! Something I said...?

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I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

Are you sure that your pedals are 14MM? All of my pedals use allen wrench
but I think that the old standard was 15mm.

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to everyone who provided feedback in the "roadside tool kit"
thread.
I felt my next questions were off-topic enough to warrant the new thread.

I'm putting together a toolkit to go in a seat-post pouch.

I have an Irwin/Chesco Hex-key set http://tinyurl.com/alzy6 that I figured
would be way overkill.
I tried the metric set (2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8mm) and it seems my bike has
a bolt with EVERY one of those sizes! 😄

I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

Are you sure it's not 15mm for the pedals? And do you *really* want to carry
a 15mm open end wrench long enough to be effective? And don't your pedals
also come off with an Allen wrench?

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I'm trying to decide if there's anything else I need. I have a chain
cracker around here somewhere...

IMO a chain tool is far more important than a pedal wrench. Make sure it
will remove modern pins without damaging the link. If you're using Shimano
chains, the pins shouldn't be re-used; carry spares.

Have you been to the Park Tools site?

RichC

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I'm putting together a toolkit to go in a seat-post pouch.

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I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

I wouldn't bother with a pedal spanner - that stays at home/in the car. Get
a proper one though - nice and long, but thin.

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I'm trying to decide if there's anything else I need. I have a chain
cracker around here somewhere...

That's a definite.

I'll assume from this point onwards we're talking about home tools, rather
than stuff to carry with you.

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My current bike has some kind of odd "toothed" bottom bracked insert.
What's with this new design?

It's great. Shimano sealed/cartridge bottom brackets use these. No more
faffing adjusting your BB shells. Also the splines are pretty strong.

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What tools do I need to work on the rear hub? Don't know how to tell if
it's a cassette or otherwise.

What's the hub?

If it's a cassette, you need a splined thingy to undo the lock ring, and a
chain whip to hold it while you do so.

Bearings need cone spanners.

cheers,
clive

C.J.Patten said:

I have an Irwin/Chesco Hex-key set http://tinyurl.com/alzy6 that I figured
would be way overkill.
I tried the metric set (2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8mm) and it seems my bike has a
bolt with EVERY one of those sizes! 😄

I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

I'm trying to decide if there's anything else I need. I have a chain cracker
around here somewhere...

Skip the pedal wrench. In the unlikely event that you break a pedal,
removing it is not going to help much :-) Incidentally, I have an
Ascent multi-tool which includes allen wrenches, 8,9,10 mm open
wrenches, Torx for disc rotors, spoke wrenches, and screwdrivers. It
was about $9 at Performance and works extremely well.

How about tire levers and a patch kit? A spoke wrench might be a good
idea if you're prone to breaking spokes.

Hand wipes are nice to have as well, it sucks to ride with hands
covered in grease (although it sounds like you're mountain biking and
may not care about mud that much).

Dan

C.J.Patten said:

I have a couple of little "nut-like" widgety tools for Shimano freewheel
service I think? ("Shimano TL FW30 Universal Freehub extractor"😉

Keep that one, it will work on new style cassette hubs (which you
almost certainly have).

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http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=30&SKU=TL2015 and something that has
two parts - a threaded shaft with a cup on the end and a threaded collar
that goes over it... forget what I used that for.

That sounds like a cotterless crank extractor. You need it to remove
your cranks on any square tapered crank, and some others as well.
Definitely keep it, there's absolutely no way to remove most cranks
without it.

Dan

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I wouldn't bother with a pedal spanner - that stays at home/in the car.
Get a proper one though - nice and long, but thin.

Check! It IS a 15mm wrench for the pedals, not the 14mm I thought
originally.

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...chain cracker..That's a definite.

Can't find my old one ... 🙁

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I'll assume from this point onwards we're talking about home tools, rather
than stuff to carry with you.

Yes, I don't think I'd do any bottom bracket or hub service "on-road"...
maybe keep it in a hotel while I was travelling but not in the seat pouch.

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My current bike has some kind of odd "toothed" bottom bracked insert.
What's with this new design?

It's great. Shimano sealed/cartridge bottom brackets use these. No more
faffing adjusting your BB shells. Also the splines are pretty strong.

8O

I had no idea! I figured it was another "step backward" like integrated
headsets. Who knew?

I guess these: http://www.parktool.com/tools/SPA_6.shtml and
http://tinyurl.com/a9sy8
....tools I own are obsolete for me now. (my parents can use them on their
bikes though)

....but I'll need one of these:
http://www.bikeparts.com/ProductInfo/Pedros-splined-cup-BB-socket-tool791.html
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Do I need the crank arm extractor anymore or do arms just pull off? (or
maybe I need a different tool anyway due to size differences...)

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What tools do I need to work on the rear hub? Don't know how to tell if
it's a cassette or otherwise.

What's the hub?

Errr... don't know! The specs for the bike say "Shimano HG-50 11-30 8speed"
(freewheel?)
It's a Sora rear Derailleur and IG50 "narrow" chain if that helps. (sorry to
be dense... you only have to tell me once though 😉

(2003 KHS Westwood folder... similar to their current Cappuccino and F20)

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If it's a cassette, you need a splined thingy to undo the lock ring, and
a chain whip to hold it while you do so.

I still have this cool, portable chain whip. It has a short piece of chain
and a little rubberized clip that braces it against the chainstay.

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Bearings need cone spanners.

Gotcha. Just looked at the bike again - no markings I can see on the rear
hub itself. :\

I DID get a fleeting glimpse of what *appeared* to be some sort of "keyed"
metal plate on the outside of the freewheel which I gather could have be the
lock ring that needs the splined tool? (implying this is a cassette, not a

Found this page: http://www.utahmountainbiking.com/fix/bracket.htm useful.
(those splines on the sealed BB look like mine)

Thanks for your help!!!

Chris

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I have a couple of little "nut-like" widgety tools for Shimano freewheel
service I think? ("Shimano TL FW30 Universal Freehub extractor"😉

Keep that one, it will work on new style cassette hubs (which you
almost certainly have).

COOL! Was hoping I could re-use a lot of stuff instead of having to shell
out for new tools.

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That sounds like a cotterless crank extractor. You need it to remove
your cranks on any square tapered crank, and some others as well.
Definitely keep it, there's absolutely no way to remove most cranks
without it.

Double plus good! Thanks Dan!

Chris

I carry a tiny adjustable wrench, a tiny pair of channel-locks, and a tiny
vise-grip.

--
Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
(email is spamtrap)

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to everyone who provided feedback in the "roadside tool kit"
thread.
I felt my next questions were off-topic enough to warrant the new thread.

I'm putting together a toolkit to go in a seat-post pouch.

I have an Irwin/Chesco Hex-key set http://tinyurl.com/alzy6 that I figured
would be way overkill.
I tried the metric set (2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8mm) and it seems my bike has
a bolt with EVERY one of those sizes! 😄

I also seem to need a 14mm open end wrench for the pedals, 10mm wrench for
the rear shock and a 9mm for the derailleur.

I'm trying to decide if there's anything else I need. I have a chain
cracker around here somewhere...

___________________________

Seems I have some old tools here that I think I have NO use for anymore.
Something stamped "Park Tool - SPA6" that I think removed bottom bracket
cartridges? Another stamped "lock ring wrench" for my former bike's bottom
bracket as well.

I have a couple of little "nut-like" widgety tools for Shimano freewheel
service I think? ("Shimano TL FW30 Universal Freehub extractor"😉
http://aebike.com/site/page.cfm?PageID=30&SKU=TL2015 and something that
has two parts - a threaded shaft with a cup on the end and a threaded
collar that goes over it... forget what I used that for.

___________________________

My current bike has some kind of odd "toothed" bottom bracked insert.
What's with this new design? (I'll try to get photos if you need them) I
think a lot's changed in the 14 years since I last bought a bike.

What tools do I need to work on the rear hub? Don't know how to tell if
it's a cassette or otherwise.

Front derailleur is Deore, rear Sora, chain says Shimano Narrow IG - any
of that help?

Please forgive my ignorance - I'm still learning. 🙂

Chris

Bob Burns said:

I carry a tiny adjustable wrench, a tiny pair of channel-locks, and a tiny
vise-grip.

A small trowel, a hatchet and a geology hammer will do me.
I can build a kiln, make charcoal and then smelt sufficient tin and
copper from ore to allow bronze brazing of the frame should it break..

ANything ewlse is just namby pamby southern wussies who would make a
big girls blouse seem hard..

...d

Bob Burns said:

I carry a tiny adjustable wrench, a tiny pair of channel-locks, and a tiny
vise-grip.

I carry my purse and a helpless look on my face. Works for me. ;-)

Maggie

No more pain
No more strain
Now I'm sane
But I'll rather be in love again

Bob Burns said:

I carry a tiny adjustable wrench, a tiny pair of channel-locks, and a tiny
vise-grip.

And the Acme Inflatable Anvil...

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Just zis Guy said:

And the Acme Inflatable Anvil...

Guy

Is that the one the road runner uses?

BEEP BEEP

Maggie

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Just zis Guy said:

And the Acme Inflatable Anvil...

Guy

Is that the one the road runner uses?

BEEP BEEP

pflub flub lub ub ub...

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Martin said:

A small trowel, a hatchet and a geology hammer will do me. I can
build a kiln, make charcoal and then smelt sufficient tin and
copper from ore to allow bronze brazing of the frame should it
break..

David

Are you looking for employment?

--
A T (Sandy) Morton
on the Bicycle Island
In the Global Village
http://www.millport.net

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David Martin said:

Bob Burns said:

I carry a tiny adjustable wrench, a tiny pair of channel-locks, and a tiny
vise-grip.

A small trowel, a hatchet and a geology hammer will do me.
I can build a kiln, make charcoal and then smelt sufficient tin and
copper from ore to allow bronze brazing of the frame should it break..

ANything ewlse is just namby pamby southern wussies who would make a
big girls blouse seem hard..

You mean you don't carry a packet of Ficus elastica seeds around in case
you need to mend a puncture.

Impatient northern wusses.

Martin.

--
According to the human genome project, humans are 50-60% bananas.
When emailing me, please include the word Banana in the subject line.

Martin Dann said:

You mean you don't carry a packet of Ficus elastica seeds around in case
you need to mend a puncture.

Impatient northern wusses.

Why bother with fancy foreign muck.. Boil up a few old cow hooves and
get a nice glue to patch the gut inner tube with.. If you are short of
a patche, there are plenty of rabbits on the road. Might be a bit hair
raising on the descents though, could really get the fur flying.

...d