Chain pin source?

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares,
and I need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each
from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your
chain will break while you're in the worst places!

I've had good success using the SRAM Gold link on my 9-speed Shimano chain,
reusable many times. I remove my chain for cleaning once several times a
month and have developed an aversion to chain pins.

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

Try Performance 5 for $5.99
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/profile.cfm?sku=1603

Even with $5 for regular shipping, cheaper than your LBS.

$10.99 / 5 = $2.20 per pin

Life is Good!
Jeff

$3 each? Ouch.

Shimano 9 speed pins are $1 each at most bike shops I've seen. You can
easily buy a bottle of 50 for $50 at retail prices - so $1 each gives
some profit for a shop, who buys at a discount.

Shimano gives you one free with every new chain - pity they don't give
you three, more than enough for the lifetime of the chain. It would
only cost them pennies more.

sunderland said:

$3 each? Ouch.

Shimano 9 speed pins are $1 each at most bike shops I've seen. You can
easily buy a bottle of 50 for $50 at retail prices - so $1 each gives
some profit for a shop, who buys at a discount.

Bike shops buy 'at a discount'? I guess so if having a retail business
was cost free but ya gotta keep those pesky lights on, pay for that
pesky credit card machine. Distributors operate on a margin, just like
i do, just like you do. What I pay for something is less than you do
but hardly 'discounted'.

If ya can get these chainpins at $1...GO FOR IT, buy many, sell them on
ebay, make your next car payment ...but a local bike shop where you
live does not a standard make.

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.
Thanks!
PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

this is exactly why I use the SRAM quic connect links. They are re-usable, so
they end up costing less.
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Alex

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

thx

Quoted message said:

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

Chains and how the pins are peened into place.

I'm sure there are still some chains that are stable with a pin pushed back into
place. Just not the Shimano and I don't trust the SRAM.

Ron

RonSonic said:

On 25 May 2005 13:17:12 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

Just not the Shimano and I don't trust the SRAM.

Quoted message said:

Ron

Hi Ron,
I'm just curious why you don't trust the SRAM. I, myself, have
never had any problem with them, and, I have never heard of anyone who
did. Have you actually had a problem with them?

Quoted message said:

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

Pins are no longer pure straight, they get 'riveted' outward a bit to keep
the sideplates together, and once you press it out it'll never have that
strength again.

Jasper

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

Wipperman chains are closed with a snaplink. Use it.

Shimano chain pins are available in multiple packs from several
sources. Shimano recommends that you use them only with Shimano
chains, obviously. (I don't want to find out if they're right about
any potential problem.)

As for Campy, there's an expert reply already posted with which I
heartily agree.

For any chain that it will work with (which is a lot more of them than
the maker admits), the SRAM Powerlink is the best solution in my
opinion.

Regardless of which chain you use, if there's a snaplink available
that will function with it, I recommend that you carry a spare.
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Werehatrack said:

For any chain that it will work with (which is a lot more of them than
the maker admits), the SRAM Powerlink is the best solution in my
opinion.

I agree and use the Sram Powerlink II on 9 and 10 sp chain. I'm using
Campy 10 cassettes but the Sram link may work for Shimano 10 too.

I like the Connex link. It's easier to open and close and not as
fussy as the Sram link. The Connex link costs too much. Both can be
reused.

Jasper Janssen said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

Pins are no longer pure straight, they get 'riveted' outward a bit to keep
the sideplates together, and once you press it out it'll never have that
strength again.

This is worse than before pins were like that?

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

The pins and the way they are attached to the side plates. With modern
chains when you push a pin out, you make the hole in the side plate bigger.
So the pin that goes back needs to be slightly bigger or else the chain will
fail when the pin slips.
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Alex

Werehatrack <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares,
and I need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each
from my LBS.

Thanks!

Wipperman chains are closed with a snaplink. Use it.

Shimano chain pins are available in multiple packs from several
sources. Shimano recommends that you use them only with Shimano
chains, obviously. (I don't want to find out if they're right about
any potential problem.)

As for Campy, there's an expert reply already posted with which I
heartily agree.

For any chain that it will work with (which is a lot more of them than
the maker admits), the SRAM Powerlink is the best solution in my
opinion.

Regardless of which chain you use, if there's a snaplink available
that will function with it, I recommend that you carry a spare.

Well, I guess I owe you all the long story. I had my chain off to clean
it on a Saturday night, before a pretty important early Sunday morning
ride. When I was re-assembling it, the chain slipped out of my hand.
The derailleur under tension slung the chain, and flicked the Wipperman
quick connect pieces across the garage, and I could only find one half.

So, I had a small section of Wipperman chain, and salvaged my ride by
pressing the pin out, and putting it back in. About 300 miles later, I
had nearly forgotten about it, and the stupid thing broke. We used a 9sp
Shimano pin someone had, and it held to get me back to civilization.
Now, I have a $50 chain that could break at any second.

So, I really need a couple of 10sp Wipperman "repair pins" to fix the
chain right, and I need a new quick connect.

And, I have an extra Campy chain that has about 2k miles on it, that I
guess I could put an SRAM connector on, to keep as a spare.

I also have a 9sp on my touring bike. I may get a couple of the SRAM
links to keep in my repair kit. Nothing is worse than being stuck way
out on a country road with a broken chain, or a broken "anything" for
that matter!

Thanks for everyone's comments.

spin156 said:

RonSonic said:

On 25 May 2005 13:17:12 -0700, [email hidden] wrote:

Just not the Shimano and I don't trust the SRAM.

Quoted message said:

Ron

Hi Ron,
I'm just curious why you don't trust the SRAM. I, myself, have
never had any problem with them, and, I have never heard of anyone who
did. Have you actually had a problem with them?

I'm sorry, I just re-read that. What I mean is that I do not trust the SRAM with
a pin pushed out and then pushed back in - SRAM says to not do that and I
believe them. Shimano is fine too, if broken and reassembled as directed. They
just aren't peening the pins in a way that makes them suitable for reinsertion.

Sorry about the confusion.

Ron

Quoted message said:

Jasper Janssen said:

Quoted message said:

>
> PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
> will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

Pins are no longer pure straight, they get 'riveted' outward a bit to keep
the sideplates together, and once you press it out it'll never have that
strength again.

This is worse than before pins were like that?

Yeah. It's almost possible to re-insert the pin without mangling the sideplate
and /or ruining the pin, but not quite. Look at how they peen the pin nowadays
mashing big flats on it instead of just slightly riveting it outward.

Ron

Quoted message said:

PatC said:

Where's the best place to get chain pins, both for a 9sp Shimano, 10sp
Campy, and 10sp Wipperman (Campy)? I need to get a few for spares, and I
need to fix my Wipperman chain. I don't want to pay $5 each from my LBS.

Thanks!

PS - never re-use a pin that you press out. Take it from me, your chain
will break while you're in the worst places!

That's what everyone did for decades, though, no? What has changed?

I think one thing that's changed is the rear cog. ISTM that in the
days of "plain" rear cogs with uncontoured teeth, chain breakage was
very rare. Shifting wasn't as easy, of course. Perhaps the chain was
protected by the necessity of keeping the torque down until the shift
completed? Or perhaps there is some twisting action that goes with a
chain hypergliding from onto one cog while still engaging another cog.

Of course, if you go back far enough, mountain biking is another
factor. I've broken a chain in the woods when trying to mash through a
last-second shift. I've never broken one on the road.

- Frank Krygowski