Re: pushing your self?

most training runs should be at a pace where you can still hold a
conversation..

Pushing it a little bit isn't bad. Just don't fall in the trap of
pushing hard in every run. At least one run per week should be "easy"
(where easy is in the eyes of the runner, your easy might be my all out
go for the gold pace).

As a beginner, measure your progress by your time-on-feet. So if your
planned run was for 15minutes, keep moving for the whole 15minutes. If
that means walking some, that's OK. Completely stopping because you
feel tired may be a bad habit to get into.

BUT listen to your body. Aches and pains may be warning you to stop
NOW. It's your body, so you'll have to learn your own limits.

HTH, and Enjoy the run,
Ed

ic thanks

just curious, so if you do get aches and pain you should stop running?

ic thanks

hey so just for curiousity
if you do get ache/pain u should stop running?

the average person does not have the intensity to run hard enough to
injure themselves.
certain pain is ok but pain in the ankles and tendons means you have to
stop or it gets worse. just push yourself to the limit . if you have
pain that keeps getting worse in the same place , you will know to
stop.

ahh ic
so if you do get pain you must stop running forever?
or until it is healed?

It is very common for beginners to get tendinitis in their ankles and
upper leg muscles. It takes time for the connective tissue to develop
to the point that it supports tendons properly. The only way to cure
tendinitis, is rest. Are you a lazy person or are you a hard working
person? Lazy people never injure themselves.

Hey, learn to spell. I am sick and tired of people who can't spell. You
disrespect yourself and me when you don't trouble yourself to proof
read.

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Hey, learn to spell. I am sick and tired of people who can't spell. You
disrespect yourself and me when you don't trouble yourself to proof
read.

Dear Mr. Beginner Troll:

Proofread is a single word.

You might try rec.trolling.trolls_who_can't_spell_who_correct_others

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the average person does not have the intensity to run hard enough to
injure themselves.

And you can't get sunburn when there are clouds. Might we suggest
alt.moronic.musings for such an inane comment.

-DF

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the average person does not have the intensity to run hard enough to
injure themselves.

And you can't get sunburn when there are clouds. Might we suggest
alt.moronic.musings for such an inane comment.

-DF

It is actually true. Assuming you're talking about a single timed mile
or other high intensity event, I also believe you can run as hard as you
want and do no damage. Run until you puke multiple times, whatever, it's
not going to hurt you.

Of course, things like dehydration, running on an injury, pulled
muscles, twisted ankles, etc are other ways to hurt yourself, but they are
not really related to the intensity of your effort.

Dave

Dave

Some pain you can "run thru"
Some pain will result in injury if you try to "run thru" it.
Some pain will not manifest itself until after the run (And some not
until the next day).

It's your body. You have to learn which are which for you. Read the FAQ
and learn.

Go ahead and follow that plan. Let us know which injury you get.

Is it a direct 1-to-1 correlation? no

but note that the warning was for beginners. Many runners starting from
out-of-shape state can and do injure themselves. Do all of them get
injured the first time they run intensely: no. It depends on their
body's strengths and weaknesses.

Do you really want to say a pulled muscle is "not really related to the
intensity of your effort"??

Again, go ahead and try it. Maybe you'll be lucky. But I would not
reccommend this approach for beginners.

Ed

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It is actually true. Assuming you're talking about a single timed
mile or other high intensity event, I also believe you can run as hard
as you want and do no damage. Run until you puke multiple times,
whatever, it's not going to hurt you.

The biggest cause of injuries is too doing too much, too fast. Running a
mile balls-to-the-wall on unwarmed and under trained muscles is a invite
to the clinic. You and GTY's alleged truth is poppycock.

-DF

ahh ic

i'm not gonan push myself again lol
i didnt get injured too

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It is actually true. Assuming you're talking about a single timed
mile or other high intensity event, I also believe you can run as hard as
you want and do no damage. Run until you puke multiple times, whatever,
it's not going to hurt you.

The biggest cause of injuries is too doing too much, too fast. Running a
mile balls-to-the-wall on unwarmed and under trained muscles is a invite
to the clinic. You and GTY's alleged truth is poppycock.

Well if you insist on misinterpreting my statements, yeah poppycock is a
good word. My point stands unchanged, and your reading comprehension
remains a liability.

Dave

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It is actually true. Assuming you're talking about a single timed
mile or other high intensity event, I also believe you can run as hard
as you want and do no damage. Run until you puke multiple times,
whatever, it's not going to hurt you.

The biggest cause of injuries is too doing too much, too fast. Running a
mile balls-to-the-wall on unwarmed and under trained muscles is a invite
to the clinic. You and GTY's alleged truth is poppycock.

Well if you insist on misinterpreting my statements, yeah poppycock is
a good word. My point stands unchanged, and your reading comprehension
remains a liability.

i believe using a word like "poppycock" is reason enough to get the [censored]
kicked out of you in most bars.

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Dave

No your point is still wrong. Just check into all the beginner runners
that started out too fast and came to this group seeking advice on how
to deal with their injuries.

I sure hope you are not coaching anyone. (If you do how much does the
sports clinic kick back to you?)

Ed

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No your point is still wrong. Just check into all the beginner runners
that started out too fast and came to this group seeking advice on how
to deal with their injuries.

I sure hope you are not coaching anyone. (If you do how much does the
sports clinic kick back to you?)

Ed

1) I'm not a coach
2) I don't work for a sport clinic
3) I ran competitively for 12 years and thousands of cumulative miles
and suffered a total of 8 weeks of lost/injured time in those years. I
think I know how to stay healthy.
4) I know better than to insult someone over Usenet when a
miscommunication is obviously present. I've been on Usenet long enough to
know just how often that happens.

My point, which I will again state in more verbose English, is that in
any one endurance event, workout, or run, nobody can run so hard that the
overexertion will damage them. Generally speaking, you can't run so hard as
to collapse a lung, you can't give yourself a hernia, and you won't break
your legs. You can run 400s until you fall down and puke from exhaustion
and get up and run again as much as your motivation can carry you. So for
example, in a competitive race situation when you're trying for your best,
as long as you've paced yourself there is nothing wrong with trying to push
beyond 100%. Knowing how to push your body like it's a vehicle and not
being consumed by the exhaustion and pain is a developed skill, and runners
who are afraid to push will not set many PRs.
Overuse injuries, hydration and heat related issues, overtraining were
not part of my point - I specifically am not talking about that. On any
given training schedule, I never felt it was good to push myself to that
limit more than, say, once weekly. High intesity workouts were very
intense, and I would push myself as hard as I could, but it never approached
the level I put forth in races. The difference was motivation - I've always
felt that race day was always a higher level of pressure, focus, excitement,
and drive than any workout. Moreover, races had priority - only on the
biggest races of the season could I put forth that kind of effort - the
other races were my best effort but a cut below because the excitement and
pressure weren't as high.
Regarding overuse injuries, running hurt, and overtraining - I firmly
believe that there are hard workouts and recovery workouts. The success of
hard workouts is supported by one thing - the ability of the athlete to
recover from it. If you run recovery runs too fast you will compromise your
next workout. As well, doing too much too soon will cause the same
problems. Diet, variety of hard workouts, recovery runs, low emotional
stress, sleep, etc are all vital. Soreness or concentrated pain that builds
from day to day or doesn't go away after a warmup must be diagnosed and
rested until it's gone.The winning athletes recover better which enables
them to train and race that much harder.

Dave

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It is actually true. Assuming you're talking about a single timed
mile or other high intensity event, I also believe you can run as hard as
you want and do no damage. Run until you puke multiple times, whatever,
it's not going to hurt you.

The biggest cause of injuries is too doing too much, too fast. Running a
mile balls-to-the-wall on unwarmed and under trained muscles is a invite
to the clinic. You and GTY's alleged truth is poppycock.

Well if you insist on misinterpreting my statements, yeah poppycock is a
good word. My point stands unchanged, and your reading comprehension
remains a liability.

Dave

I think there's some context issues on both sides here that may be being
misinterpreted. I suspect, but could be wrong, that much of your
experience has been with better trained (= any training, in this case)
or in more formal running environment. I *think* I see what you're
saying in the context of injury-free, non-obese runners just running for
all their worth for a bit after warmed up, etc. I *think* you're saying
the intensity (high hr, hard breathing, etc) doesn't hurt, but I'm not
sure if you're overlooking the physical injury to untrained legs doing
this. But I could be wrong. Maybe you could explain or clarify? Thanks.

In rec.running (and what Doug and Ed are referring to, I think) we get
many newbies, sometimes overweight, recovering-from-injury, clueless,
I'm-invincible, etc. runners. Some can't run for 1 mile continuously.
Form may be more of a leap than progress forward. Their tendons,
ligaments, and muscles aren't adapted to running yet. Encouraging
someone like that to go hard for 1 mile might be inviting injury. Just
read r.r for awhile longer and you'll see what we're saying. My gut
feeling is that's not what you were referring to, but I could be wrong.

For some people, including myself (female, almost 58, trails), 1 mile
may be 10-20 min or more (depending on elevation gain, snow depth,
rockiness, etc), and that may not be the context you intended as being
high intensity. Some clarification would be helpful.

Dot

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