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Can Lance do Seven?

Remove The Poli · 2003-07-10T10:00:22+00:00

The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge them, Lance is 33 next year- Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.

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Remove The Poli
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10 July 2003, 10:00 UTC #1

The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge them,
Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.

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Nick Payne
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10 July 2003, 12:00 UTC #2

Of course. Just get dubya to imprison any potential challengers at gitmo on the pretext that they're
terrorists...
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The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge
them, Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.

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Alex Rodriguez
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10 July 2003, 19:00 UTC #3

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...
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Of course. Just get dubya to imprison any potential challengers at gitmo on the pretext that
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Raptor
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10 July 2003, 19:00 UTC #4

Except for Tyler and Levi, they're not American, so of course they're terrorists.
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they're terrorists...
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The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge
them, Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.
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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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Raymo853
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10 July 2003, 22:30 UTC #5

No way unless something oddd happens to all the other good riders.

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Brian Phillips
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11 July 2003, 01:00 UTC #6

When did he win his fifth?

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Raptor
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14 July 2003, 09:00 UTC #7

remove the polite word to reply said:
The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge
them, Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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Lantern Rouge
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14 July 2003, 12:30 UTC #8

Raptor said:
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
He's only got four so far.
And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit

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Ed-D
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14 July 2003, 16:30 UTC #9

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remove the polite word to reply said:
The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge
them, Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
Let's start with five. I think he'll win this year, especially with Beloki out. Next year, provided
he even participates, will be very very tough though.
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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP
in charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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Isidor Gunsberg
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14 July 2003, 20:01 UTC #10

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remove the polite word to reply said:
The team seems unbeatably dominant, no other team seems to have the resouces ($) to challenge
them, Lance is 33 next year-
Could SEVEN be possible? No one would surpass it in our lifetimes, I believe- or, perhaps, ever.
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
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Is it possible for Armstrong to win Seven Tours de France? Yes. Is it likely? No.
It is tempting to think that Armstrong would be keen to continue on if he were to win a 6th Tour.
Moreover, one might think that he would dispense with race tactics to some degree, in an attempt
to dominate by sheer power, a la Eddy Merckx. It would be nice to see Armstrong to make a
maximalist effort to win more stages.
However, if and when he wins his 6th TDF, he might decisde to rest on his laurels of having set
the record for most victories.
Armstrong ought to consider going for some victories in the Giro d' Italia, and La Vuelta de
Espania. Getting wins in the other two Grand Tours would certainly round out his accomplishments.

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Keith
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14 July 2003, 20:30 UTC #11

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Is it possible for Armstrong to win Seven Tours de France? Yes. Is it likely? No.
Anything is possible. It's really very unlikely as you say. 32 is the turning point for cyclists
with non fo the super champs (Merckx, Hinault, Indurain) winning in their 32nd year. Lance IS in his
32nd year.
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It is tempting to think that Armstrong would be keen to continue on if he were to win a 6th
Tour. Moreover, one might think that he would dispense with race tactics to some degree, in an
attempt to dominate by sheer power, a la Eddy Merckx. It would be nice to see Armstrong to make
a maximalist effort to win more stages.
However, if and when he wins his 6th TDF, he might decisde to rest on his laurels of having set
the record for most victories.
Armstrong ought to consider going for some victories in the Giro d' Italia, and La Vuelta de
Espania. Getting wins in the other two Grand Tours would certainly round out his accomplishments.

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Heinz Getzler
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14 July 2003, 20:30 UTC #12

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Raptor said:
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
He's only got four so far.
And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not riding
from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances part so
far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won their 5th tdf.
I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.

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Kurgan Gringion
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14 July 2003, 21:00 UTC #13

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Raptor said:
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
He's only got four so far.
And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not riding
from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances part so
far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won their 5th
tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE did (not able to drop
everyone, but able to keep others in check).
There hasn't been an ITT yet. That's where we will see how vulnerable (or not) LANCE really is.

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Heinz Getzler
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15 July 2003, 03:01 UTC #14

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:44:14 -0600, Raptor wrote:
> At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
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Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
He's only got four so far.
And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not
riding from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances
part so far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won
their 5th tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE did (not able to drop
everyone, but able to keep others in check).
No, Indurain almost single-handedly chased down Zulle and put nearly 2 minutes on his competition.
Indurain rode at the very front of the pack on several flat stages early in the tour. Indurain also
broke away on the Charleroi - Liège stage.
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There hasn't been an ITT yet. That's where we will see how vulnerable (or not) LANCE really is.

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Kurgan Gringion
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15 July 2003, 05:01 UTC #15

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> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:44:14 -0600, Raptor wrote:
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> > At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
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> Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
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> He's only got four so far.
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> And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not
riding from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on
Lances part so far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when
they won their 5th tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE

did
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(not able to drop everyone, but able to keep others in check).
No, Indurain almost single-handedly chased down Zulle and put nearly 2 minutes on his competition.
Indurain rode at the very front of the pack on several flat stages early in the tour. Indurain
also broke away on the Charleroi - Liège stage.
Indurain rode away a few times, but the majority of the time his style was to ride conservatively in
the mountains. He never did win a road stage the same year he won the overall (although he should
have in Stage 9 of 1995).

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Keith
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15 July 2003, 10:31 UTC #16

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There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not riding
from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances part so
far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won their 5th
tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE did (not able to drop
everyone, but able to keep others in check).
Yes but Indurain never rode like Armstring did between 1999 and 2003 in the mountains, i.e. beating
everyone. Indurain used to control his opponents like Armstrong is doing this year.
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There hasn't been an ITT yet. That's where we will see how vulnerable (or not) LANCE really is.
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Kurgan Gringion
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15 July 2003, 19:00 UTC #17

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There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not
riding from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on
Lances part so far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when
they won their 5th tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE did (not able to drop
everyone, but able to keep others in check).
Yes but Indurain never rode like Armstring did between 1999 and 2003 in the mountains, i.e.
beating everyone. Indurain used to control his opponents like Armstrong is doing this year.
That is the point. This year LANCE is riding in the manner of Indurain.

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Nick Burns
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16 July 2003, 21:00 UTC #18

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> > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 01:44:14 -0600, Raptor wrote:
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> > > At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
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> > Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
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> > He's only got four so far.
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> > And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
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> There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not
> riding from a position of strength this

year.
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> We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances part so far. Indurains & Hinault were
> quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won their 5th tdf. I would be wiliing to
> bet that Lance

will
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> retire after this season.
Indurain rode the mountain stages much in the same fashion that LANCE

did
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(not able to drop everyone, but able to keep others in check).
No, Indurain almost single-handedly chased down Zulle and put nearly 2 minutes on his
competition. Indurain rode at the very front of the pack on several flat stages early in the
tour. Indurain also broke away on the Charleroi - Liège stage.
Indurain rode away a few times, but the majority of the time his style was to ride conservatively
in the mountains. He never did win a road stage the same year he won the overall (although he
should have in Stage 9 of 1995).
The 1994 mountain stage to Hautacam was another stage he probably should have won. It reminded me of
Miguel's 1990 stage win to Luz Ardiden where Lemond was too focused on GC to set himself up for the
stage win.
I can't think of any GC winners in the past 20 years that have won stages from small groups (for
just that reason).

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Kurgan Gringion
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16 July 2003, 22:30 UTC #19

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Indurain rode away a few times, but the majority of the time his style

was
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to ride conservatively in the mountains. He never did win a road stage

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same year he won the overall (although he should have in Stage 9 of

1995).
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The 1994 mountain stage to Hautacam was another stage he probably should have won. It reminded me
of Miguel's 1990 stage win to Luz Ardiden where Lemond was too focused on GC to set himself up for
the stage win.
I can't think of any GC winners in the past 20 years that have won stages from small groups (for
just that reason).
LANCE, Riis, Pantani, Ullrich, all in the last 10 years won the GC and won mountain stages solo.
Indurain couldn't do it because he couldn't (or wouldn't) ride every single other rider off his
wheel. His strategy was more conservative.

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Isidor Gunsberg
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17 July 2003, 22:00 UTC #20

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Raptor said:
At this point, the question is best asked of six, which would be unprecedented.
Jumping ther gun a bit aren't ya, mate?
He's only got four so far.
And that looks increasingly as if it might be the upper limit
There is real question if Lance can do six tdf's now. My guess is proably no. Lance is not riding
from a position of strength this year. We have yet to see a really major attack on Lances part so
far. Indurains & Hinault were quite a bit stronger than Lance this year when they won their 5th
tdf. I would be wiliing to bet that Lance will retire after this season.
Hinault didn't seem strong at all when he won his 5th TDF. Just because LA didn't attack in the
Alps doesn't mean that he won't make a break in the Pyranees. Speculating that Armstrong is
washed up, is kind of silly, before he has had even a chance to ride the first ITT.
If LA wins his 5th TDF this year, there is no way that he will retire before taking a stab at
winning the record 6th.
Armstrong has had to overcome a virus, record heat during the 1st half of the tour, the effects
of several crashes (stemming back to the Dauphine Libre). Maybe he is running scared; maybe he
has lost some strength. One thing is for sure: everything will be clear by the end of the 2nd
ITT next week. Frankly, I think that it is more likely that LA will have a lead of 7-10
minutes, than it is that Ulrich, Vino, or Mayo will overtake him.

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