running limitation

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and have been running for the past 1 1/2 years.>

Aren't your legs tired? When did you sleep? Wow...

kaza said:

I'm 40 and have been running for the past 1 1/2 years. Though
consistent, I'm not getting the serious mileage I'm gunning for. Even
up to my best standard, I can't hardly push beyond the six km range.
At five k, I'm totally out of breath

Relax, run at an easier effort - be able to conduct a conversation -
then you should be able to run farther.
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,5033,s6-51-196-0-7633,00.html

Build basic aerobic endurance first before you worry about running at
efforts where you're out of breath. Vary the distance of your runs -
don't do the same thing all the time.
Here's some descriptors of different types of runs
http://www.runnersworld.com/article/0,5033,s6-51-55-0-6406,00.html

You might also want to run / walk the distances, then increase the
amount of "run" on those long runs if you still have problems getting
beyond 5-6k.

If you browse around the light blue bar near top of RW page, you'll find
Beginning, Training Plans, Workouts, and other sections that may be of help.

You may find some other helpful hints here
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/running-faq/

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even my running or jogging is a
better word is merely between 8 - 10 km /hr. 1-1/2 years of running,
3-4 times a week is considered long....

3-4 time/wk for 1.5 yr is actually still very much at beginning stage of
running.

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but with the weeny km run, am I
not trying hard enough?

You're probably trying too hard. Be sure to allow recovery between your
runs.

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My target is to compete in 10 km run...can I?

It depends on what you mean by "compete". If you mean, win the Olympics,
I'm guessing not. If you mean completing a local road 10k, probably.

You might want to provide more background - past and present training or
relevant activities. That is, did you have an active lifestyle before
you started running 1.5 yr ago or were you a couch potato? Height,
weight. Any medical issues? Are you running on relatively flat roads or
hilly trails or in snow? Do you have adequate running shoes or do your
feet hurt? etc.

Dot

--
"Dream Big, and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughn
who was with Byrd in Antarctica and whose 99th birthday was Dec 19, 2004

(kaza) said:

I'm 40 and have been running for the past 1 1/2 years. Though
consistent, I'm not getting the serious mileage I'm gunning for. Even
up to my best standard, I can't hardly push beyond the six km range.
At five k, I'm totally out of breath even my running or jogging is a
better word is merely between 8 - 10 km /hr. 1-1/2 years of running,
3-4 times a week is considered long....but with the weeny km run, am I
not trying hard enough? My target is to compete in 10 km run...can I?

did you try going to see a doctor? maybe you hace some kind
of asma (i don't know off hand how to spell it and i'm not going
to look it up now).
....thehick

Have you had a full physical recently?
Thats how Clinton's artery clogging was first found-
a fatigue and shortness of breath.
Generally runners experience heart & lung problems
at lower rate than the general population, but are not immune
to them.

kaza said:

I'm 40 and have been running for the past 1 1/2 years. Though
consistent, I'm not getting the serious mileage I'm gunning for. Even
up to my best standard, I can't hardly push beyond the six km range.
At five k, I'm totally out of breath

Run slower.

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even my running or jogging is a
better word is merely between 8 - 10 km /hr.

So stay closer to the bottom of that range.

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1-1/2 years of running, 3-4 times a week is considered long....but with the
weeny km run, am I not trying hard enough?

If you're out of breath, you're certainly trying hard enough. Maybe even a
little too hard. It's a fallacy to believe that people who run faster/further
are necessarily trying harder. Maybe they have more innate ability, and can
go faster/further without trying very hard. Aim to train less hard, but
cover more distance. The solution to this apparent paradox is running slowly
and taking walk breaks.

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My target is to compete in 10 km run...can I?

Absolutely. Some ideas:

(1) Run slowly during your training runs. Make a conscious effort to run
slowly. This way, you'll last longer

(2) If you're out of breath, take a walk break. There's absolutely nothing
wrong with taking walk breaks. You will need to do this at first, if you want
to increase the length of your runs. Total distance covered is important.
Running without stopping should be the long term goal, but for training
purposes it's all about distance covered in your workout.

(3) Try to increase the length of one of your weekly training runs -- aim to
do a 10k run each week. Again, you're allowed to stop and walk. You should
stop for walk breaks *before* you run out of breath. For example, if you
know that you get tired at 5k, take your first walk break at 3k.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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My target is to compete in 10 km run...can I?

Absolutely. Some ideas:
.........
(2) If you're out of breath, take a walk break. There's absolutely nothing
wrong with taking walk breaks. You will need to do this at first, if you

want

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to increase the length of your runs. Total distance covered is important.
Running without stopping should be the long term goal, but for training
purposes it's all about distance covered in your workout.

This is the best piece of advice for many runners I see out there,
especially those who I suspect are weekend only runners. You don't get any
credit for running every step, especially if it leaves you out of breath or
limits how far you can go. If you're breathing hard after a few mins of
jogging, stop to walk for 2-3 mins and then start up running again. In the
long run you'll be able to go futher, be better rested to do something for
the next day, and you'll enjoy it more! This in turn makes you want to get
out there more consistently.

For those who have trouble getting themself out the door to run, the block
can often be that feeling of having to run continuously for 30 mins or
whatever WITHOUT walking. This is entirely unnecessary. Though I've been
running for years, I still take walk breaks on longer runs, or even on
shorter runs if my legs feel like they need a short break. After a while
you'll enjoy running the whole time, but don't be afraid to take walk breaks
if you feel sluggish on any particular day. And, as Donovan suggested, plan
a longer run/walk every week to see how it feels and to cover more distance.

You could wear a watch and try using repeating blocks of 10 mins like this:
run 5 mins, walk 5 mins, or run 7 mins walk 3 mins. Find out what makes
running feel good and try that for a few weeks, perhaps taking shorter walk
breaks as you progress. But be flexible so that if you feel horrible on a
particular day you will allow yourself to run 3 mins and walk 7 mins, or
just walk. The main thing is to get out there consistently. If you currently
do 3 days a week, if you can cross-train on a bike or some other sport 2-3
other days that would be good also, or just walk some on the other days.

-Tony

8-10km/hr is pretty slow for a 40 year youngster after 1.5 yrs of 3 to
4 times weekly jogs.

are you over weight?

barring medical problems you have a serious lack of motivation. i
suggest you run with someone who is a good runner. also, jump into some
races. that might stimulate you. you might need peer pressure to get
you moving. i'm guessing you are a last born or a very easygoing
personality type.

i'm 42 and ran 6kms in 40 minutes in the first 3 weeks of training
having never run before. i did end up with tendinitis but i never felt
i was pushing myself to my limit. I'm wondering if you smoke ?
i don't think you can run slower.

"gty" <[email hidden]> wrote

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i'm 42 and ran 6kms in 40 minutes in the first 3 weeks of training
having never run before.
i did end up with tendinitis but i never felt
i was pushing myself to my limit. I'm wondering if you smoke ?
i don't think you can run slower.

Sounds a bit heartless. On day one I was able to run 5 miles at a 7:00
pace. Should I therefore denigrate your quick progress to being able to put
together several 10 minute miles?

After controlling for weight, age, sex and health, running talent is a gift
from God (or a random toss of the dice for you athiests).

There's a huge variability in running ability, as there is in most things in
life.

You shouldn't be full of yourself if you happened to luck out, nor should
you be down in the dumps if you aren't born quick. We all just work with
what we have.

-- Dan

gty said:

barring medical problems you have a serious lack of motivation. i
suggest you run with someone who is a good runner. also, jump into some
races. that might stimulate you. you might need peer pressure to get
you moving. i'm guessing you are a last born or a very easygoing
personality type.

Not true. First, everyone has a different level of innate ability, and everyone
operates on a different performance gradient when they start (for example,
if he's overweight, his potential for improvement is greater than if he were
rail thin) The fact that he's slow to begin with probably has nothing to do
with level of motivation.

For example, you are quite slow, and the fact that you injured your achilles
tendon already suggests that you were too enthusiastic, not too lazy.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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gty said:

barring medical problems you have a serious lack of motivation. i
suggest you run with someone who is a good runner. also, jump into some
races. that might stimulate you. you might need peer pressure to get
you moving. i'm guessing you are a last born or a very easygoing
personality type.

Not true. First, everyone has a different level of innate ability, and
everyone
operates on a different performance gradient when they start (for example,
if he's overweight, his potential for improvement is greater than if he
were
rail thin) The fact that he's slow to begin with probably has nothing to
do
with level of motivation.

For example, you are quite slow, and the fact that you injured your
achilles
tendon already suggests that you were too enthusiastic, not too lazy.

i think you too quickly discount the fitness he had already attained from
mountain climbing.

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Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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barring medical problems you have a serious lack of motivation. i
suggest you run with someone who is a good runner. also, jump into some
races. that might stimulate you. you might need peer pressure to get
you moving. i'm guessing you are a last born or a very easygoing
personality type.

well i'm a last born, easy-going type and you've [censored] me off. give me your
address so i can come kick your ass for you.

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i'm 42 and ran 6kms in 40 minutes in the first 3 weeks of training
having never run before. i did end up with tendinitis but i never felt
i was pushing myself to my limit. I'm wondering if you smoke ?
i don't think you can run slower.

ok, pal, you asked for advice on this group about a month ago and were so
dopey everyone had assumed you were just a troll. i'm still willing to bet
you're just too stupid to breathe and eat at the same time without choking.
go mountain climbing. of course he can run slower by throwing walk breaks
in...he'll be fine.

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The guy has been running for 1.5 years. You need zero ability to run.
You are putting one foot in front of the other. It is 99 percent
motivation /intensity, unless you have one lung or something. Some
people need peer pressure to be motivated. There is absolutely nothing
wrong with that. It has zero to do with laziness. In fact, there is no
such thing as lazy. I have tons of intensity but on the downside my
sleep is poor as a result.

no talent is needed for running or walking or breathing. kenyans win
marathons because they have more desire. ie escape from starvation. mr
kaza needs a kick in the ass.

mountain climbing does not provide much more conditioning than walking.
its about developing the connective tissue which hiking fails to do.
why are you so keen to diminish my meteoric progress? i have desire. i
have guts. i am obnoxious as hell.

gty said:

The guy has been running for 1.5 years. You need zero ability to run.

But the guy can indeed run. As you note, he has been running for 1.5 years.

Running itself doesn't require much ability. Even an untrained infant can do
it. But sustaining speed for a long time does.

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You are putting one foot in front of the other. It is 99 percent
motivation /intensity, unless you have one lung or something. Some

If that's true, why is it that you're not running sub 5 minute miles ? Roger
Bannister did this with little effort.

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such thing as lazy. I have tons of intensity

Yet you're still slow (compared to more gifted runners). Why is that ? Perhaps
there is another factor besides motivation/intensity ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

i'm running slow because i have tedinitis. cut me some slack🙂

there is nothing wrong with being easygoing. society needs all types.
easygoing people are the social lubricant of society.

i'm pround i have tendinitis. it proves i have intensity. i also have
drive and a killer instinct which will eventually translate into
victory. i will venture to say that anyone who does not suffer an over
use injury when they first start running lacks desire and never will
achieve their full potential.

excuse me for being a beginner and not being a know-it-all. if any
blame is to be handed out , it is to those who told me that my hiking
experience would allow me to progress faster as a runner. I missed a
very important adventure race because of my injury. i still did a 10 km
orienteering race 2 weeks ago. btw, i have reported your death threat
to fbi.

That's odd........Most jogger limitations are social and intellectual,
not physical.