Wheel suggestions please

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Hil all;

I'm enjoying my new bike (Kestrel Talon) but NOT its wheels.

It was built with Spinergy SR3 wheels (I asked the shop owner to put on something that would
handle my size. I'm 6'1" and weigh about 215)

In the first few hundred miles, I had two spokes unscrew themselves on rides. Nothing catastropic,
but certainly a pain to remedy on the road with the recessed spoke nipples that these wheels use.

This usually means the spoke tension was simply too low to start with. Get them tensioned up
properly, and I'll bet those problems go away.

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"Curt Bousquet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hil all;

I'm enjoying my new bike (Kestrel Talon) but NOT its wheels.

It was built with Spinergy SR3 wheels (I asked the shop owner to put on something that would
handle my size. I'm 6'1" and weigh about 215)

In the first few hundred miles, I had two spokes unscrew themselves on rides. Nothing catastropic,
but certainly a pain to remedy on the road with the recessed spoke nipples that these wheels use.

Last night I broke a spoke but managed to ride the 20 miles back on a slightly wobbly wheel. So
now with only 700 miles on the set, I have now had three rides interrupted because of wheel
problems.

I am loosing confidence in these wheels. I had originally planned on getting a better wheelset
when I could afford it anyway, but now I am thinking better sooner than later.

So what I would like is some suggestions from the group. Taking into consideration my size (and
the fact that there are some nasty roads around here, so sturdyness is a plus) what should I be
considering?

I can afford something in the $600 range. I tried a friend's Mavic Ksyrium wheels ($700) and loved
them. Do you think these would be durable enough for me? I guess I want the best of all worlds...
inexpensive, sturdy and light. Most important right now is sturdy, followed by light. The price I
can deal with if I can find the set I really like.

Thanks for any pointers...

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Curt Bousquet moc.enilnacs@PTNN < Reverse for email

Road biking in Southern VT and Western Mass.

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Curt Bousquet said:

I can afford something in the $600 range. I tried a friend's Mavic Ksyrium wheels ($700) and loved
them. Do you think these would be durable enough for me? I guess I want the best of all worlds...
inexpensive, sturdy and light. Most important right now is sturdy, followed by light. The price I
can deal with if I can find the set I really like.

I'm a bit old fashioned and weigh 200 lbs but have little problem with wheels. I use Mavic CXP33 or
Velocity Aerohead rims, butted spokes and 32 holes.

I have a set of DuraAce x CXP33 x DT butted black spokes that will cost you less than ½ of your $600
budget and you will use them 'til you get bored. I switched hubs and now use Campy cassettes.

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I'm a bit old fashioned and weigh 200 lbs but have little problem with wheels. I use Mavic CXP33 or
Velocity Aerohead rims, butted spokes and 32 holes.

I have a set of DuraAce x CXP33 x DT butted black spokes that will cost you less than 1/2 of your $600
budget and you will use them 'til you get bored. I switched hubs and now use Campy cassettes. [/B]

I agree with this suggestion. I was busting a few spokes for a while there until I switched to DT Swiss Alpine 3's (triple butted) they are a seriously reliable bit of gear and I am also about to switch to Mavic rims - but the new CXP22 - 36hole with campy hubs.

Also the earlier suggestion about spoke tension etc. is just as important as which gear you buy. Because even good gear if set up poorly will still fail.

All the best.

Go with the Kysriums--no doubt. IMHO Spinergy's suck. I a friend of mine and I (present at the time)
rode 40 miles with him on the Spinergy's. They literally disintegrated in this short period.
Fortunately Speedgoat took them back. He has been on Kysriums without fail since. We were both
absolutely floored that the Spinergy's were so flimsy. I am surprised that they have not been sued
or had a product safety recall.

"Curt Bousquet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hil all;

I'm enjoying my new bike (Kestrel Talon) but NOT its wheels.

It was built with Spinergy SR3 wheels (I asked the shop owner to put on something that would
handle my size. I'm 6'1" and weigh about 215)

In the first few hundred miles, I had two spokes unscrew themselves on rides. Nothing catastropic,
but certainly a pain to remedy on the road with the recessed spoke nipples that these wheels use.

Last night I broke a spoke but managed to ride the 20 miles back on a slightly wobbly wheel. So
now with only 700 miles on the set, I have now had three rides interrupted because of wheel
problems.

I am loosing confidence in these wheels. I had originally planned on getting a better wheelset
when I could afford it anyway, but now I am thinking better sooner than later.

So what I would like is some suggestions from the group. Taking into consideration my size (and
the fact that there are some nasty roads around here, so sturdyness is a plus) what should I be
considering?

I can afford something in the $600 range. I tried a friend's Mavic Ksyrium wheels ($700) and loved
them. Do you think these would be durable enough for me? I guess I want the best of all worlds...
inexpensive, sturdy and light. Most important right now is sturdy, followed by light. The price I
can deal with if I can find the set I really like.

Thanks for any pointers...

--

Curt Bousquet moc.enilnacs@PTNN < Reverse for email

Road biking in Southern VT and Western Mass.

My 2003 bike log: scanline.com2003.htmlOpen ↗

"waxxer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Go with the Kysriums--no doubt. IMHO Spinergy's suck. I a friend of mine

and

Quoted message said:

I (present at the time) rode 40 miles with him on the Spinergy's. They literally disintegrated in
this short period.

What was your friend jumping his bike over?

Some people just weren't made to be cyclists, tell him to take up something like sumo wrestling or
mountain biking.

Cars of course! Must be nice to be a fly weight. "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> wrote in
message "]news:[email hidden]...

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"waxxer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Go with the Kysriums--no doubt. IMHO Spinergy's suck. I a friend of mine

and

Quoted message said:

I (present at the time) rode 40 miles with him on the Spinergy's. They literally disintegrated
in this short period.

What was your friend jumping his bike over?

Some people just weren't made to be cyclists, tell him to take up something like sumo wrestling or
mountain biking.

In article <[email hidden]>, Curt Bousquet

Quoted message said:

Hil all;

I'm enjoying my new bike (Kestrel Talon) but NOT its wheels.

It was built with Spinergy SR3 wheels (I asked the shop owner to put on something that would handle
my size. I'm 6'1" and weigh about 215)

In the first few hundred miles, I had two spokes unscrew themselves on rides. Nothing catastropic,
but certainly a pain to remedy on the road with the recessed spoke nipples that these wheels use.

Last night I broke a spoke but managed to ride the 20 miles back on a slightly wobbly wheel. So now
with only 700 miles on the set, I have now had three rides interrupted because of wheel problems.

I am loosing confidence in these wheels. I had originally planned on getting a better wheelset when
I could afford it anyway, but now I am thinking better sooner than later.

So what I would like is some suggestions from the group. Taking into consideration my size (and the
fact that there are some nasty roads around here, so sturdyness is a plus) what should I be
considering?

Just a nice hand-built wheelset will work great. There are many right choices for the parts. For
example, Open Pro rim, 36 hole rear, 32 hole front, brass nipples, 3X 14/15ga spokes. At 215 you
could certainly get away with a 32-hole rear in that same wheel but 36 would last longer. You could
also make a bomber wheelset out of the CXP-33 - it is very popular with big riders and does not need
as many spokes to be as strong as an Open Pro.

The most important ingredient is the wheel builder. A reliable experienced builder will tell you the
best wheel they can make for you, and the quality of the build outweighs most other factors in
determining how long the wheel lasts.

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I can afford something in the $600 range. I tried a friend's Mavic Ksyrium wheels ($700) and loved
them. Do you think these would be durable enough for me?

There are absolutely 215 pound riders on those wheels, lots of them. But I think a hand-built wheel
with more spokes is a much better value (less than 1/2 the price) and would last longer.

If you feel compelled to spend more money to make hand built wheels lighter, get better hubs,
lighter skewers, thinner spokes, ultralight inner tubes, etc. - anything but lowering the
spoke count.

--Palu

On Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:03:21 GMT, "Fabrizio Mazzoleni" <[email hidden]> from Shaw Residential

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"waxxer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Go with the Kysriums--no doubt. IMHO Spinergy's suck. I a friend of mine

and

Quoted message said:

I (present at the time) rode 40 miles with him on the Spinergy's. They literally disintegrated in
this short period.

What was your friend jumping his bike over?

Some people just weren't made to be cyclists, tell him to take up something like sumo wrestling or
mountain biking.

Maybe he was one of those recumbeat types.

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5:08:55 PM 2 July 2003

Curt-<< I'm enjoying my new bike (Kestrel Talon) but NOT its wheels.

It was built with Spinergy SR3 wheels (I asked the shop owner to put on something that would handle
my size. I'm 6'1" and weigh about 215) >><BR><BR>

Guess he didn't listen to you.

These wheels are not designed for you...or anybody, methinks.

<< In the first few hundred miles, I had two spokes unscrew themselves on rides. Nothing
catastropic, but certainly a pain to remedy on the road with the recessed spoke nipples that these
wheels use. >><BR><BR> << Last night I broke a spoke but managed to ride the 20 miles back on a
slightly wobbly wheel. So now with only 700 miles on the set, I have now had three rides interrupted
because of wheel problems. >><BR><BR>

<< I am loosing confidence in these wheels. I had originally planned on getting a better wheelset
when I could afford it anyway, but now I am thinking better sooner than later. >><BR><BR>

Ksyriums are $800 and they are not a good choice for you either.

Have the shop design a wheelset specifically for you and your needs..and these should be FREE. They
should not have put you on these splinyergys in the first place.

DA or Record hubs(depends on your system), Velocity Fusion or Deep V, 32 front and 36 rear, 14/15
front and Revs rear-would be in the $475-$530 range if ya got them from me.

Weight would be 100-150 grams or so of the 'boutique' wheels but would not have spokes loosen or
break, I guarantee it!!

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fid-<< I am also about to switch to Mavic rims - but the new CXP22 - 36hole with campy hubs.

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CXP-22 only in 32 hole(dumb, IMO, need a 36h version). Look at Velocity Fusions...very CXP-22-ish
and 36 h available.

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waxxer-<< Go with the Kysriums--no doubt. >><BR><BR>

Or have a wheel builder build you a wheelset and do something else with the $300 you saved...

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Vecchio wrote by mistake-<< DA or Record hubs(depends on your system), Velocity Fusion or Deep V, 32
front and 36 rear, 14/15 front and Revs rear-would be in the $475-$530 range if ya got them from me.

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errrrr-14/15 rear, Revs front-

I have Revs on my bike, Mavic Reflex front tubie rim, works fine and I am .1 offa ton(+ a little)...

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