We were out and about today and had lunch at our favorite Indian restaurant. One of their best dishes is a goat curry, and I got talking with the owner about it. He told me that they got their goat from a halal grocery just down the block - so naturally I went down there to look around. The end result was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all!
I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to enjoyment.
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[snip] The end result was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all!
And you'll give us recipes, right?
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I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to enjoyment.
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
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We were out and about today and had lunch at our favorite Indian
restaurant.
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One of their best dishes is a goat curry, and I got talking with the owner about it. He told me that they got their goat from a halal grocery just
down
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the block - so naturally I went down there to look around. The end result was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up a
goat,
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I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly anticipating trying
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my own recipes - bones and all!
Peter Aitken
I'm now convinced the chinese food we bought from a vendor at the art show in Davenport, Iowa was actually goat meat. John said to me, "What kind of sliced meat has all these bones in it? It looked like ribs sliced across to include round pieces of the bone. Tender as can be, delicious and with a nice glaze. I shrugged and said, "As long as it wasn't your dog, who cares?" It was probably goat. I have nothing against goat. Well, okay, I have something against those key-hole looking pupils. They just look like they spell trouble...
The best meat I've ever had was goat jerky. The husband of my mother's aunt (who was dying of cancer at the time) had made some goat jerky from a feral goat he had shot.
Shooting goats on Kauai is a good thing, because they're tearing up the environment and displacing non-native species. Of course, that wasn't his motive for shooting the goat, it was just free meat.
That jerky was incredible. It wasn't hard or leather-like at all. In terms of texture, it was like the filo layers of a piece of baklava.
I was about 10 years old at the time. There are very few food experiences that are so good they inspire life-long memories. For me, that one is at the top of the list.
[snip] The end result was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all!
And you'll give us recipes, right?
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I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to enjoyment.
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
Kate -- Kate Connally “If I were as old as I feel, I’d be dead already.” Goldfish: “The wholesome snack that smiles back, Until you bite their heads off.” What if the hokey pokey really *is* what it's all about? [email hidden]
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Not to mention there is a reason for the saying, the closer to the bone, the sweeter the meat. I rarely cook boneless meat.
nancy
I cook nothing but, if I can help it. If you bone the meat the meat that was once next to the bone does not become "less sweet" because the bone has been removed, does it? About the only meat where I like the bones left in is bbq ribs and chicken wings and fried chicken.
Kate
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:11:03 -0500, Kate Connally <[email hidden]>
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aem said:
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[snip] The end result was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all!
And you'll give us recipes, right?
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I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to enjoyment.
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:11:03 -0500, Kate Connally <[email hidden]>
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Peter Aitken wrote: > [snip] The end result > was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up > a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly > anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all! > And you'll give us recipes, right?
> I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people > off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in > forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to > enjoyment.
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Goats do tend to be less meaty, but you can certainly buy goat chops, leg of goat, etc. In many cultures it seems to be traditional to cut up the bony parts of the animals into 1-2" chunks with the bones and use this for stews, curries, etc. Part of it is avoiding waste I am sure, but it's also true that this kind of meat tends to be the most tasty - think oxtails, shortribs, spareribs. I feel sorry for people who are so fearful of a few bones that they miss out on some terrific eating.
-- Peter Aitken
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:11:03 -0500, Kate Connally <[email hidden]>
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Peter Aitken wrote: > [snip] The end result > was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up > a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly > anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all! > And you'll give us recipes, right?
> I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people > off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in > forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to > enjoyment.
Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Well, it's usually the vertebrae. But I think the meat is cut with a saw into chunk so there are sharp edges to the pieces of bone. If the bones were just disjointed it wouldn't be such a problem.
Kate
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aem wrote: > > Peter Aitken wrote: > > [snip] The end result > > was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut up > > a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly > > anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all! > > > And you'll give us recipes, right? > > > I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some people > > off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help in > > forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to > > enjoyment. > > Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow > gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem
Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Goats do tend to be less meaty, but you can certainly buy goat chops, leg of goat, etc. In many cultures it seems to be traditional to cut up the bony parts of the animals into 1-2" chunks with the bones and use this for stews, curries, etc. Part of it is avoiding waste I am sure, but it's also true that this kind of meat tends to be the most tasty - think oxtails, shortribs, spareribs. I feel sorry for people who are so fearful of a few bones that they miss out on some terrific eating.
It's perfectly possible to have perfectly delicious goat dishes without any bones in them. The meat next to the bone is not any better tasting than the meat 1/4 inch away. Bone the damn meat! Sheesh! I've never missed out on any terrific eating because of "fear" of bones. But I sure as hell leave them out when I do the cooking and if there are 2 Caribbean restaurants to choose from and one had bones and the other doesn't you know which I'm going to choose. And that has happened and I know from experience that their goat curries are equally delicious.
Kate
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>aem wrote: >> >> Peter Aitken wrote: >> > [snip] The end result >> > was that after spending a few minutes watching two gentlemen cut >> > up >> > a goat, I went home with 5 pounds of goat meat. I am eagerly >> > anticipating trying it my own recipes - bones and all! >> > >> And you'll give us recipes, right? >> >> > I know that the bones that most goat meat comes with put some >> > people >> > off. But it is really tasty, and I find that the bones are a help >> > in >> > forcing one to eat at a leisurely pace that is more conducive to >> > enjoyment. >> >> Yes, it's like benches around the table instead of chairs -- somehow >> gnawing on bones promotes greater camaraderie.... -aem > >Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of >sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and >a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat >goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. >If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we >are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down. > I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Goats do tend to be less meaty, but you can certainly buy goat chops, leg of goat, etc. In many cultures it seems to be traditional to cut up the bony parts of the animals into 1-2" chunks with the bones and use this for stews, curries, etc. Part of it is avoiding waste I am sure, but it's also true that this kind of meat tends to be the most tasty - think oxtails, shortribs, spareribs. I feel sorry for people who are so fearful of a few bones that they miss out on some terrific eating.
It's perfectly possible to have perfectly delicious goat dishes without any bones in them. The meat next to the bone is not any better tasting than the meat 1/4 inch away.
Not true in my experience.
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Bone the damn meat!
I defy anyone to bone some of these pieces without a scalpel and microscope. The teeth and fingers are by far the bes tools.
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Sheesh! I've never missed out on any terrific eating because of "fear" of bones.
How do you know if you avoid bones like the plague as you seem to?
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But I sure as hell leave them out when I do the cooking and if there are 2 Caribbean restaurants to choose from and one had bones and the other doesn't you know which I'm going to choose. And that has happened and I know from experience that their goat curries are equally delicious.
Given your intense dislike of bones it is hard to believe that you could perform an unbiased comparison. If you prefer boneless meat, fine, but don't tell me and thousands of others that our experiences are invalid because *you* can't taste the difference.
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It's perfectly possible to have perfectly delicious goat dishes without any bones in them. The meat next to the bone is not any better tasting than the meat 1/4 inch away.
I could not disagree more. If I don't think I can eat the whole chop or ribeye, whatever, I will save the bone and eat that and the meat around it right then and there.
Perhaps someone can explain why the meat is so much more tender and delicious around the bone. Fact is, don't come near me with a boneless pork chop, no thanks.
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It's perfectly possible to have perfectly delicious goat dishes without any bones in them. The meat next to the bone is not any better tasting than the meat 1/4 inch away.
I could not disagree more. If I don't think I can eat the whole chop or ribeye, whatever, I will save the bone and eat that and the meat around it right then and there.
Perhaps someone can explain why the meat is so much more tender and delicious around the bone. Fact is, don't come near me with a boneless pork chop, no thanks.
The meat near the bone doesn't get cooked as fast as the meat farther away. Think of how chicken thighs and deboned chicken thighs cook.
Cooking with the bones adds flavor. The marrow is rendered out adding flavor and body to the gravy. Personally, I don't like worrying the bones at the dinner table, so I will bone the meat as best I can and then make broth from the bones to add to the dish as it cooks. When I do that though, the meat is added much later in the cooking process to keep it from over cooking.
[snip] Part of it is avoiding waste I am sure, but it's also true that this kind of meat tends to be the most tasty - think oxtails, shortribs, spareribs. I feel sorry for people who are so fearful of a few bones that they miss out on some terrific eating.
No, they should be *encouraged* to continue to avoid bones. That keeps the demand, and therefore price, down for us. I remember when flank steak was the favored cut for Chinese food at home because it was cheap. Then it got discovered and is now priced like steak. Pork seems to be working in the opposite direction. Those boneless so-called "chops" have become so popular that the price of real chops -- when you can find them -- is staying down. -aem
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Yeah, but the bones in goat curries are lethal. All kinds of sharp edges. And there only a miniscule amount of meat and a ton of the damn bones! I've cut my mouth trying to eat goat curry with all the bones in it. Camaraderie, schmamaraderie. If I'm eating with others I don't eat that fast anyway as we are always talking. Don't need the bones to slow me down.
I am baffled. Is the skeletal anatomy of a goat that different from a sheep? Or is it incompetent bandsaw butchery? What bones are these that everyone is talking about?
Goats do tend to be less meaty, but you can certainly buy goat chops, leg of goat, etc. In many cultures it seems to be traditional to cut up the bony parts of the animals into 1-2" chunks with the bones and use this for stews, curries, etc. Part of it is avoiding waste I am sure, but it's also true that this kind of meat tends to be the most tasty - think oxtails, shortribs, spareribs. I feel sorry for people who are so fearful of a few bones that they miss out on some terrific eating.
Thanks Peter. I feel better. I will definitely try some goat the next time some comes to the Greenmarket. I have seen it there.
Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a
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I defy anyone to bone some of these pieces without a scalpel and microscope. The teeth and fingers are by far the bes tools.
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Sheesh! I've never missed out on any terrific eating because of "fear" of bones.
How do you know if you avoid bones like the plague as you seem to?
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But I sure as hell leave them out when I do the cooking and if there are 2 Caribbean restaurants to choose from and one had bones and the other doesn't you know which I'm going to choose. And that has happened and I know from experience that their goat curries are equally delicious.
Given your intense dislike of bones it is hard to believe that you could perform an unbiased comparison. If you prefer boneless meat, fine, but don't tell me and thousands of others that our experiences are invalid because *you* can't taste the difference.
I don't want to get into a food fight here (sorry) but I like to braise lamb shanks. I don't think anyone would suggest boning them.
So, for a first take at goat, would braised shanks be a reasonable thing to do? Fair way to get an idea of goat?
TIA
Rodney Myrvaagnes NYC J36 Gjo/a
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I defy anyone to bone some of these pieces without a scalpel and microscope. The teeth and fingers are by far the bes tools.
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Sheesh! I've never missed out on any terrific eating because of "fear" of bones.
How do you know if you avoid bones like the plague as you seem to?
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But I sure as hell leave them out when I do the cooking and if there are 2 Caribbean restaurants to choose from and one had bones and the other doesn't you know which I'm going to choose. And that has happened and I know from experience that their goat curries are equally delicious.
Given your intense dislike of bones it is hard to believe that you could perform an unbiased comparison. If you prefer boneless meat, fine, but don't tell me and thousands of others that our experiences are invalid because *you* can't taste the difference.
I don't want to get into a food fight here (sorry) but I like to braise lamb shanks. I don't think anyone would suggest boning them.
So, for a first take at goat, would braised shanks be a reasonable thing to do? Fair way to get an idea of goat?
TIA
Beats me. I have eaten goat at restaurants quite a few times but have not yet cooked it at home. I do have 5 lbs waiting for me in the freezer, however!
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