Fred Danielson

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The following is from the link at www.cyclingnews.com above;

"Today was a nice stage, but all on small roads. I felt great and did
my best to do all Johan spoke of. He reads the race like a book. The
last down hill before the final climb I was in a bad position and a gap
opened. The descent was very dangerous and fast. When my group came
around the corner to a long straightaway into the climb the front group
was not in sight. This I think sank everyone's hopes and the group
coasted all the way to the climb. I decided that it was best to go up
the climb at a good pace for good training so I got into a rhythm and
went up it. I was happy how I felt and I went fairly good. I will
continue to work hard and I feel this race will give me good form and
improve my skills greatly in the peloton. My team all did good rides
today and it is clear the team is well on its way to all of our
specific goals in the year."

So let me get this straight. Fred Danielson let the gap open that
caused the split and ended the day for half the field. Letting a gap
open is one of the biggest Category IV moves out there.

And if that wasn't enough, he decides to attack that group (that he
formed)near the finish. Attacking a group that is left behind the
standings (AKA The Gruppetto or Autobus) is one of the BIGGEST
jackassed things you can do.

Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside at
a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.

crit PRO

not a gap opener

Where does he write that he caused the gap to open?

Actually what I found interesting is how he doesn't seem to lose sight of
his larger goals/objectives. In Langkawi, he said that while he was with the
leaders and feeling good going up the Gentings climb, he backed off rather
than go for the win because digging deep could be detrimental down the road
(paraphrased). Today, rather than toddle in with the grupetto, he seems to
again adhere to training/goal objectives rather than follow suit with the
immediate surroundings.

Anybody know who is coaching him?

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Quoted message said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/riders/2005/diaries/tom/?id=tom0504

The following is from the link at www.cyclingnews.com above;

"Today was a nice stage, but all on small roads. I felt great and did
my best to do all Johan spoke of. He reads the race like a book. The
last down hill before the final climb I was in a bad position and a
gap
opened. The descent was very dangerous and fast. When my group came
around the corner to a long straightaway into the climb the front
group
was not in sight. This I think sank everyone's hopes and the group
coasted all the way to the climb. I decided that it was best to go up
the climb at a good pace for good training so I got into a rhythm and
went up it. I was happy how I felt and I went fairly good. I will
continue to work hard and I feel this race will give me good form and
improve my skills greatly in the peloton. My team all did good rides
today and it is clear the team is well on its way to all of our
specific goals in the year."

So let me get this straight. Fred Danielson let the gap open that
caused the split and ended the day for half the field. Letting a gap
open is one of the biggest Category IV moves out there.

And if that wasn't enough, he decides to attack that group (that he
formed)near the finish. Attacking a group that is left behind the
standings (AKA The Gruppetto or Autobus) is one of the BIGGEST
jackassed things you can do.

Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside
at
a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.

crit PRO

not a gap opener

Where does he write that he caused the gap to open?

Actually what I found interesting is how he doesn't seem to lose sight
of
his larger goals/objectives. In Langkawi, he said that while he was
with the
leaders and feeling good going up the Gentings climb, he backed off
rather
than go for the win because digging deep could be detrimental down the
road
(paraphrased). Today, rather than toddle in with the grupetto, he
seems to
again adhere to training/goal objectives rather than follow suit with
the
immediate surroundings.

Anybody know who is coaching him?

Some gym teacher.

Phil H

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Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside

at

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a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.

crit PRO

not a gap opener

tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.
once in a crosswind in a flat race, I saw one of them - not him - fly
off the side of the road, into a ditch, at 30mph, rather than use his
breaks I guess. then he chased back, all dirty and torn up, rambo
style.
They also would all get in a long line, like a Saeco train, at the
beggining of the race for some reason, and quickly wind up the pace for
the first 5mph, like they were gonna just ride the whole field off
their wheels. then when some attacks would go and a break would form,
they were never represented, and had to chase all day and they'd get
schooled by CU.
They had a van with like 30 bikes on it, like they were a pro team, and
a coach, I think it may have been crawford, but they would roll up like
Mapei with warfaces on like "man you are all about to get hammered now"

having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

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tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees

and

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elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff. ...

this [censored] is hilarious.

Carl Sundquist said:

Anybody know who is coaching him?

Rick Crawford (Durango) gets mentioned, though there may be others.

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Now I know most of you don't race or ride, so you may not understand
all these rules of the sport that were violated. Next thing you know,
Fred will attack in his next race when they are all on the roadside

at

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a nature break. And he'll probably write about it in his journal.

crit PRO

not a gap opener

tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.
once in a crosswind in a flat race, I saw one of them - not him - fly
off the side of the road, into a ditch, at 30mph, rather than use his
breaks I guess. then he chased back, all dirty and torn up, rambo
style.
They also would all get in a long line, like a Saeco train, at the
beggining of the race for some reason, and quickly wind up the pace for
the first 5mph, like they were gonna just ride the whole field off
their wheels. then when some attacks would go and a break would form,
they were never represented, and had to chase all day and they'd get
schooled by CU.
They had a van with like 30 bikes on it, like they were a pro team, and
a coach, I think it may have been crawford, but they would roll up like
Mapei with warfaces on like "man you are all about to get hammered now"

having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

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I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.

3 hours to do 30 miles?

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I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.

3 hours to do 30 miles?

Unicycle

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tom danielson and some of his chronies used to race collegiately for
FLC, this was the late 90's, and they were well known as the
squirilliest bunch of mountain bikers ever to hit the tarmac, knees and
elbows out, couldn't hold a straight line, rotating the wrong way in
the wind, overlapped wheels, scary stuff.

Imagine new racers actually having to learn the sport and its skills. Why
the thought is surprising to say the least.

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having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh myself
silly.

he is.

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having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride

from

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gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh

myself

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silly.

actually, yes I was Tom, I was a mediocre cat. 1 if you really want to
know about me personally. I already had to do this with papai. why do
people on RBR always do this, they attack posters for being anonymous,
and then when a person does use their real name, they call them out and
bust on them for not being a real cyclist or whatever, when in fact Tom
I'm sure I've raced more than you, won more races than you. travelled
around the US to race more than you, and I still race for fun, and I'm
still fast, doing my fastest TT ever last year and winning two little
local TT's. I've done a 52 minute 40K, you want me to talk more about
myself?
Let's hear about Tom Kunich? win many races or do you just post to
newsgroups and do century rides and stuff like that?
I don't know you personally, but even if you are a cat. 4 or a fat
master, i wouldn't bust on you for it or hold it against you.

and to answer your retarded post, that was a collegiate A race, so no,
they weren't "learning" the sport, and that stuff takes one race to
learn anyway, fartknocker.

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 03/13/2005 11:30 AM, in article
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I'm about to ride from
gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.

3 hours to do 30 miles?

sometimes longer, it's called CHAMOIS TIME, and it's when you factor
the time you spend sitting around drinking coffee and sitting out front
of gas stations drinking diet coke into your training hours.
so you can do like 30 hour weeks, and get maybe 100 miles in,
but you can still tell everyone that you are doing 40 hour weeks, and
you get a good tan from sitting outside too.

There are many variations too:
The CAMPUS PRO, is when you ride around the college campus loop looking
at girls at like 8mph, for a few hours everyday, you can factor that
into your training hours too along with champois time, virtually
eliminating the time avialable to spend suffering out climbing hills or
doing sweaty intervals.

The TRAINER PRO, the guy you never see training, but he says he's doing
4 hours a day, at night, on his trainer. These guys usually aren't very
fast for some reason.

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having said all this, he's now a euro-pro, and I'm about to ride

from

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gas station to coffee shop on a long 3 hour 30 mile training ride.
if you would have told me that he was gonna ever be a pro on the
scrubbiest d3 team, I'd have laughed at you, so you never know.

And if you tell us that you were ever above Cat 4 yourself I'll laugh
myself silly.

actually, yes I was Tom, I was a mediocre cat. 1 if you really want to
know about me personally. I already had to do this with papai. why do
people on RBR always do this, they attack posters for being anonymous,
and then when a person does use their real name, they call them out and
bust on them for not being a real cyclist or whatever, when in fact Tom
I'm sure I've raced more than you, won more races than you. travelled
around the US to race more than you, and I still race for fun, and I'm
still fast, doing my fastest TT ever last year and winning two little
local TT's. I've done a 52 minute 40K, you want me to talk more about
myself?

Then explain why you make such a silly posting which somehow implies that
you're oh so much more clever than Danielson? I wonder if you broke into
Cat 1 from nothing? Or did you maybe have a learning curve? Tom Danielson is
looking to be perhaps a great rider and you have the unmitigated gall to
criticize the way he rode in college? Exactly WHO is making egotistical
rantings here?

I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumbshit postings
and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.

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and to answer your retarded post, that was a collegiate A race, so no,
they weren't "learning" the sport, and that stuff takes one race to
learn anyway, fartknocker.

Well, [censored], how many colligiate A riders make the pro ranks?

Tom Kunich said:

I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumbshit

postings

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and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.

dumbass, it's only you two pinheads that try to slam people by saying
they're slow, that's supposed to make someone feel bad ? anyone who's
raced knows exactly how fast or slow they are.

also, if you read people's postings instead of arguing with other
pinheads you'd already know that mike used to be a pretty good rider.

Ignore him Mike. We know who you are. It was a good post. I remember
racing against TD at some of the NRC crits in 2003 with Saturn. He'd
be getting shelled out the back, sides etc. They'd always send back
Wohlberg or another strongman to go back and get him but TD wouldn't
realize it and just tt it back up to the front. The other guys would
then have to pick their way back up front only to do the whole thing
again.

Tom Kunich said:

Well, [censored], how many colligiate A riders make the pro ranks?

Don't know how many actually do. A lot of them just might have things
they'd like to do with their educations besides ride bikes. From
working some collegiate races here in New England, I wouldn't bet
against quite a few of these guys becoming pros, if they want to put in
the time instead of making real money. You know you've got to really
want it bad to decide that it's better to be a flat ass broke d3 pro
than an engineer making $50,000 a year and racing P/1/2 stuf as a 1 or
2.
I led Kevin Bouchard-Hall and a couple of his buddies on the motor, on
a tight technical crit course and it was a challenge to stay ahead of
them at times. A smaller lighter bike would've helped, but not much.
I know a lot of former collegiate A's that made it as pros. Having an
education and bike racing aren't mutually exclusive. Just ask Marla
Streb.
Bil C

Bill C said:

Tom Kunich said:

Well, [censored], how many colligiate
A riders make the pro ranks?

I led Kevin Bouchard-Hall and
a couple of his buddies on the motor,

Yeah, I think KBH and Stu Gillespie are former east coast collegiate
guys who wil make it.

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I know a lot of former collegiate A's
that made it as pros. Having an
education and bike racing aren't
mutually exclusive. Just ask Marla

Kevin's older brother Derek came out of collegiate -- he schooled us
routinely in the early 90s when he was at Princeton. Adam
Hodges-Meyerson was, I think, racing pre-collegiate but he was also
part of the collegiate scene while at UMass.

JT

amit said:

Tom Kunich said:

I suggest that you not cry about Ken or I attacking your dumbshit

postings

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and instead ask yourself why those attacks occurred.

dumbass, it's only you two pinheads that try to slam people by saying
they're slow, that's supposed to make someone feel bad ? anyone who's
raced knows exactly how fast or slow they are.

It really isn't that hard to tell who has raced enough to have a clue,
or done enough around racing to know what the hell they're talking
about. In bike racing it's pretty damn tough to claim to be better than
you are when you do it where everybody can see what is really
happening. I don't know a whole lot of people who aren't involved in
racing that want to talk about it, and those that are involved have a
pretty good idea exactly where everybody is on the food chain.
I don't get the concept that says, just because someone is anonymous,
or obnoxious they must suck. It's killing people to even begin to think
CP might be as good as he says he is.

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also, if you read people's postings instead of arguing with other
pinheads you'd already know that mike used to be a pretty good rider.

Sounds like he's still pretty good. Someone I wouldn't mind having in
a race I'm working at all. Following a cat5 field, or a 15/16 field
worries me a whole lot more than a P/1/2 field. Cat5s don't know any
better and you never know what the hell they're going to do. 15/16s are
usually pretty damn fast, but with all the hormones flowing they can be
pretty unpredictable too.
As far as squirrely goes, some riders don't ever seem to learn. I know
of one former junior who may just become a d3 or better who still
scares the hell out of even his teamates with the stupid [censored] he does.
I'm babbling again, but Amit is pretty much on the money here.
Bill C

What the hell are you talking about MIke?
And why do tou think I ever slammed you about being slow or something?
Go back and look.
Newbies get slammed a lot in RBR. We all were new and felt the heat.

So what are you talking about anyway? You got my props man!!

-Ken