David Millar

Dan Gregory said:

First Edition Cycling News for February 18, 2005

Edited by Hedwig Kröner & Jeff Jones
CAS correct Millar's ban

The Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) has corrected the ban imposed
on David Millar, after the British rider was heard by a panel on January
24. The Panel considered that the two year suspension imposed by British
Cycling was appropriate, but nevertheless started and therefore will end
at a later date than it should have.

"The Panel noted that, from the date of his arrest, David Millar was
unable to compete any more and that, in addition, he promptly and
voluntarily announced that he was withdrawing from the British Team for
the Olympic Games in Athens. As a consequence, the CAS arbitrators
decided that the two year suspension should be calculated to run from
June 24 2004, as requested by Millar, and to end on June 23 2006," the
CAS said in a statement. The initial starting date of the ban had been
August 5, 2004.

The decision taken on Thursday, February 17 could mean that David Millar
will return to competition in the end of June 2006, possibly even
participating in the Tour de France next year.

All the best
Dan Gregory
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I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

turkeytickler said:

I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

John B

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I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't particularly

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turkeytickler said:

I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

I do

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turkeytickler said:

I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

Because?

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I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't particularly

helen s

I do - although I suspect he won't make the 2006 tour.
Even if he does- it is unlikely that he will be fit enough to finish it.

Simon Brooke said:

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turkeytickler said:

I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

Because?

I'll bite, but I suspect you know the answer.

He is a cheat. He only coughed up when caught then came out with all the
usual cry-baby cr*p.

Worse, he was also the hero of my ten-year old son who was put off cycle
racing as a result and who now keeps asking for the address of Cofidis
so he can cut up his once treasured cap and post it to them.
His treasured Millar autograph from Herne Hill is also now history.

If cycling is to even start cleaning its image up it must rid itself of
the cheats for once and for all. I know of several other parents who now
have serious doubts about encouraging their children into cycling as a
sport. The considrable number of unexplained deaths amongst younger
riders doesn't help.
Instead, cycle racing - at least at a top continental level - is getting
very close to being a circus along the lines that Wrestling has become.

Allowing the cheats to return should have no place in the clean up.

John B

JohnB said:

Simon Brooke said:

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turkeytickler wrote:

>I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

Because?

I'll bite, but I suspect you know the answer.

He is a cheat. He only coughed up when caught then came out with all the
usual cry-baby cr*p.

Worse, he was also the hero of my ten-year old son who was put off cycle
racing as a result and who now keeps asking for the address of Cofidis
so he can cut up his once treasured cap and post it to them.
His treasured Millar autograph from Herne Hill is also now history.

If cycling is to even start cleaning its image up it must rid itself of
the cheats for once and for all. I know of several other parents who now
have serious doubts about encouraging their children into cycling as a
sport. The considrable number of unexplained deaths amongst younger
riders doesn't help.
Instead, cycle racing - at least at a top continental level - is getting
very close to being a circus along the lines that Wrestling has become.

Allowing the cheats to return should have no place in the clean up.

John B

He will have served his sentence by then. He was a cheat, is he cheating
now ? Will he be cheating in 2006 ? Do you care ?

MSeries said:

JohnB wrote:

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Instead, cycle racing - at least at a top continental level - is getting
very close to being a circus along the lines that Wrestling has become.

Allowing the cheats to return should have no place in the clean up.

John B

He will have served his sentence by then. He was a cheat, is he cheating
now ?

No idea.

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Will he be cheating in 2006 ?

No idea.

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Do you care ?

I don't care for what Millar has done much at all.

John B

I agree that doping is an extremely distasteful aspect of professional
racing. However, I rather suspect that, even after all the changes of the
past ten years, the difference between Millar and many others is that he got
caught. Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was, really,
the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if the rest are
using them, you pretty much have to.

Not one of the more pleasant aspects of the sport, and I can certainly
understand and sympathise with you and your son.

Simon D said:

Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was, really,
the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if the rest are
using them, you pretty much have to.

Speeding certainly is endemic in motoring, and that was, really, the
fault of motoring's heirarchy, not of individual drivers; if the rest
are speeding, you pretty much have to.

R.

Richard said:

Simon D said:

Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was, really,
the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if the

rest are

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using them, you pretty much have to.

Speeding certainly is endemic in motoring, and that was, really, the
fault of motoring's heirarchy, not of individual drivers; if the rest

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are speeding, you pretty much have to.

R.

No, that doesn't follow.

LSMike said:

Richard said:

Simon D said:

Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was, really,
the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if the

rest are

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using them, you pretty much have to.

Speeding certainly is endemic in motoring, and that was, really, the
fault of motoring's heirarchy, not of individual drivers; if the rest

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are speeding, you pretty much have to.

R.

No, that doesn't follow.

Nor does taking drugs.
No one forces you too (although they try) and, like speeding, it is an
individual's decision.

Coz everyone else is taking drugs (or speeding) is not a valid defence.

John B

Simon D composed the following;:

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I agree that doping is an extremely distasteful aspect of professional
racing. However, I rather suspect that, even after all the changes of the
past ten years, the difference between Millar and many others is that he
got caught. Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was,
really, the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if
the rest are using them, you pretty much have to.

I disagree.

"everyone else does" isn't a reason, [censored], it's not even a decent excuse,
for taking drugs.

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Not one of the more pleasant aspects of the sport, and I can certainly
understand and sympathise with you and your son.

And, IMHO, may also go some way, if only a little, to explain non-cyclists
dislike of cycles and cyclists. I mean, how many people have _very_
publicly died from drugs overdoses in cycling sport? It only takes a few.
and how many non-cycling people get to hear of 'yet another doping scandal
in cycling'?

A comment overheard once, a while ago, at a car show when the Lotus
carbon-framed Chris Boardman bike was a part of a display, alongside a
couple of Lycra-clad male and female youngsters "..Half the reason they all
wear dayglo is 'cos they're all so high they can't see each other
otherwise...".

Now whilst that might not be a true statement, it's the thought behind it
that is the real problem. When people connect what happens at top-level to
the grass roots of cycling, then there is a definite problem that's endemic
to the whole of the sport. I don't know how, other than completely and
publicly cleaning up their acts, the teams and riders can rid our sport, and
our leisure time, of this kind of stigma.

--
Paul ...
www.4x4prejudice.org
(8(|) Homer Rules ..... Doh !!!

LSMike said:

Richard said:

Simon D said:

Drug use certainly *was* endemic in cycling, and that was, really,
the fault of cycling's hierarchy, not of individual riders; if the

rest are

Quoted message said:

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using them, you pretty much have to.

Speeding certainly is endemic in motoring, and that was, really, the
fault of motoring's heirarchy, not of individual drivers; if the rest

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are speeding, you pretty much have to.

R.

No, that doesn't follow.

Irony isn't just an adjective describing a ferrous metal. :-)

R.

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turkeytickler wrote:
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> I look forward to seeing him in the Tour again

I don't.

Because?

I'll bite, but I suspect you know the answer.

He is a cheat.

Brutus is an honourable man. So are they all; all honourable men...

Millar was _caught_ _cheating_. Yes, he is a cheat. We know this. We
know it because he was caught and there is some reason to believe he
was caught because he wanted to be caught. According to many reliable
witnesses, a large proportion of the rest of the peloton are also
cheats. If you took them all out of the TdF, it probably wouldn't be
run this year.

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If cycling is to even start cleaning its image up it must rid itself
of the cheats for once and for all.

That's fair enough (and I would agree with you if I believed it were
possible), but to blame one foolish young man for something which is
endemic seems harsh.

It ain't going to happen, though. The richer riders will use the newer
drugs for with no tests are available; the poorer will get caught. And
if you really need testosterone, you can always whack a testicle off
and get it as legal 'therapy'.

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... a mild, inoffensive sadist...

Simon Brooke said:

It ain't going to happen, though. The richer riders will use the newer
drugs for with no tests are available; the poorer will get caught. And
if you really need testosterone, you can always whack a testicle off
and get it as legal 'therapy'.

Oooh. There's fighting talk. Careful, or you'll get the rouse Lanzealots!

Its not just cycling - cheating has crept into nearly all sports where big
money can be made. Football - professional fouls and falling over in the
penalty area. Even cricket which was once a byword of fair play and
gentlemanly conduct is now riven by seam picking, intimidating bowling and
other malpractices. In other words sport is no longer sport it is big
business where only winning counts and is to be achieved by any means be
they fair or be they foul because the rewards are so great - providing you
win.

David Millar was caught - one suspects that his fellow professionals have a
deal of sympathy for him because they haven't been caught - yet. It seems
that the defence is everyone else is doing it so I must also. Where will all
this lead? Will there one day be two people on the podium in Paris wearing
yellow - the cyclist and his chemist? Drugs killed Tommy Simpson, he was my
hero but I was so angry when he died, nothing but nothing - not even the TdF
is worth killing your self for. Perhaps the drug users might like to think
on that.

citizen142 said:

Even cricket which was once a
byword of fair play and gentlemanly conduct

When?