Re: Vitamin C mega study

Quoted message said:

If Jesus had wanted you to be taking vitamin pills,
he would have given you pill trees, you know.
(Or maybe you don't.)

If Adam and Eve (or one of their descendants) had not sinned, our
genome would still be perfect and there would be no need for any
supplementation. That not being the case, I tend to accept the need
based on repeated trials showing a benefit.

Quoted message said:

Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal.

That supplies only about 70mg C. Wild animals which produce their own
vitamin C produce the amount equvilent to about 13g/day in humans,
which would take about 186 oranges. Here's a clue: Eat 186 oranges,
pal.

--Hua Kul

So, do you think it's enough to be taking one a day vitamins and also
having a reasonably balanced diet- you know fresh veggies and fruit
each day? Or would you say that's not sufficient?

Hua Kul said:

If Adam and Eve (or one of their descendants) had not sinned, our
genome would still be perfect and there would be no need for any
supplementation. That not being the case, I tend to accept the need
based on repeated trials showing a benefit.

And if not Adam and Eve had not sinned and invented irrigation
technique (the original word of Gan Edin means non-irrigated land,
that is, the steppes around Eufrat and Tigris used by nomads for
grazing etc.

further proof that a diabetic side effect is the major attraction of
idiots and frauds who try to cheat us.

Hua Kul said:

Quoted message said:

If Jesus had wanted you to be taking vitamin pills,
he would have given you pill trees, you know.
(Or maybe you don't.)

If Adam and Eve (or one of their descendants) had not sinned, our
genome would still be perfect and there would be no need for any
supplementation. That not being the case, I tend to accept the need
based on repeated trials showing a benefit.

Quoted message said:

Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal.

That supplies only about 70mg C. Wild animals which produce their own
vitamin C produce the amount equvilent to about 13g/day in humans,
which would take about 186 oranges. Here's a clue: Eat 186 oranges,
pal.

--Hua Kul

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Finished my heart problems,
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So, do you think it's enough to be taking one a day vitamins and also
having a reasonably balanced diet- you know fresh veggies and fruit
each day? Or would you say that's not sufficient?

This would not be sufficient. There might well be the
need for additional calcium and vitamin D, and even
vitamin C; these needs will vary from person to person.

Vitamin E studies have yielded various results; it would
be hard to get what many of us believe should be consumed
by any diet whatever. There may be other ingredients as
well; do not assume otherwise. But it is also necessary
to watch for overdoses of anything, including water. One
recent fraternity initiation produced a death by drinking
five quarts of water.

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Oranges prevent scurvy due to ascorbate content, however you can't always
treat established scurvy with oranges you need supplementation.
Anth

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Michael C Price said:

Alan S asks:

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So, tell me, what deep-seated need for recognition caused
you to x-post this in five different newsgroups?

Let me guess, howabout all the newsgroups related to health and
the study showed health benefits from taking vitamin C.

Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal. you don't need supplements, you
need a proper diet. If Jesus had wanted you to be taking vitamin
pills, he would have given you pill trees, you know. (Or maybe you
don't.)

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Hua Kul said:

Quoted message said:

If Jesus had wanted you to be taking vitamin pills,
he would have given you pill trees, you know.
(Or maybe you don't.)

Quoted message said:

If Adam and Eve (or one of their descendants) had not sinned, our
genome would still be perfect and there would be no need for any
supplementation.

<rofl!> Hello! You're yarking off about comic book mythology, there,
pal, did you notice? Let's try sticking with the real world, shall we?

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Socialism is a Mental Disease root@localhost. said:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:32:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.

Rice) said:

Quoted message said:

Alan S asks:
> So, tell me, what deep-seated need for recognition caused
> you to x-post this in five different newsgroups?
Let me guess, howabout all the newsgroups related to health and
the study showed health benefits from taking vitamin C.

Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal. you don't need supplements, you
need a proper diet.

This coming directly out of your ass, right?

Um, eventually, yeah, everything I eat does unless I throw up.

What kind of an idiot thinks they need vitamin pills instead of a
proper diet? Probably the same type that'll buy into "weight loss
programs" that don't consist of exercise and eating less. Probably
the same type that buys "male enhancement supplements." Probably
the same type that will believe vitamins will lengthen their [censored].

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:28:09 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.

Rice) said:

What kind of an idiot thinks they need vitamin pills instead of a
proper diet? Probably the same type that'll buy into "weight loss

Austronauts.
And in order to make profit on the pill production for NASA, the
producers had to invent a market for their pills.

Socialism is a Mental Disease root@localhost. said:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:28:09 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.

Rice) said:

Socialism is a Mental Disease root@localhost. said:

On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:32:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:
>>Alan S asks:
>>> So, tell me, what deep-seated need for recognition caused
>>> you to x-post this in five different newsgroups?
>>Let me guess, howabout all the newsgroups related to health and
>>the study showed health benefits from taking vitamin C.
>Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal. you don't need supplements, you
>need a proper diet.
This coming directly out of your ass, right?

Um, eventually, yeah, everything I eat does unless I throw up.
What kind of an idiot thinks they need vitamin pills instead of a
proper diet?

What kind of idiot says "instead" instead of "in addition"?

It looks like we found your Republican rightard, huh?

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Alf Christophersen said:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:28:09 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.
Rice) wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What kind of an idiot thinks they need vitamin pills instead of a
proper diet? Probably the same type that'll buy into "weight loss

Quoted message said:

Austronauts.

<rofl!> Which leaves almost seven billion people on Earth out.

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Socialism is a Mental Disease <root@localhost.> wrote:

<snip>

Excessive C can contribute to kidney stones if the taker's PH is already out
of balance.

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Quoted message said:

Excessive C can contribute to kidney stones if the taker's
PH is already out of balance.

Myth. There is no empirical evidence for this.
The myth that vitamin C and B6 (pyridoxine) cause kidney stones,
still finds considerable media acceptance and exposure, despite it
never having any empirical basis[33a] and actually disproved in
1996[89]. Instead magnesium, with B6 (pyridoxine), helps prevent
kidney stones[86c].

[33a] The 120 Year Diet. Roy L Walford (1986) ISBN 0-671649042-495. Mostly
about calorie restriction, to the exclusion of other anti-aging strategies,
about which he is occasionally unreliable (e.g. selenium, see 7c, 7d) , but
also contains a useful section debunking some of the common myths about
vitamins (pages 150-154) e.g. that vitamin C causes kidney stones.

[86c] Effect of combined supplementation of magnesium oxide and pyridoxine
in calcium-oxalate stone formers. Rattan V, Sidhu H, Vaidyanathan S, Thind
SK, Nath R in Urol Res 1994;22(3):161-5 PMID: 7992461
"The results confirmed the efficacy of MgO-pyridoxine supplementation in
terms of changes in urinary excretion of lithogenic and inhibitory
components, leading to a significant (P < 0.01) decrease in CaOx risk index
from 0.09 +/- 0.04 at 0 day to 0.05 +/- 0.02 after 120 days of treatment."

[89a] A prospective study of the intake of vitamins C and B6, and the risk
of kidney stones in men. Curhan GC, Willett WC, Rimm EB, Stampfer MJ in J
Urol 1996 Jun;155(6):1847-51 PMID: 8618271

[89b] Potassium-magnesium citrate is an effective prophylaxis against
recurrent calcium oxalate nephrolithiasis. Ettinger B, Pak CY, Citron JT,
Thomas C, Adams-Huet B, Vangessel A in J Urol 1997 Dec;158(6):2069-73
PMID: 9366314
"Potassium-magnesium citrate effectively prevents recurrent calcium oxalate
stones, and this treatment given for up to 3 years reduces risk of
recurrence by 85%."

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Quoted message said:

Socialism is a Mental Disease <root@localhost.> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Excessive C can contribute to kidney stones if the taker's PH is already out
of balance.

This has often been stated, but is there any evidence?
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:49:22 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.

Rice) said:

<rofl!> Which leaves almost seven billion people on Earth out.

There are far more who thinks cosmonaut diet is the ideal. Then they
don't need to use time for food making. Very time saving to live on a
cosmpnaut diet.

And in fact, during the seventies, that was used for ad's in Norwegian
newspapers to sell dried, ready prepared food, just add water, heat up
and eat. (Still it's one of the main ways of preparing food over here
:-( ) (I have to confess, I do it often myself, and have had to pay
the ticket, as diabetes and different late stage side effects like
glaucoma, very cold feet etc. etc. Both my lenses are gone etc.)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Excessive C can contribute to kidney stones if the taker's PH
is already out of balance.

This has often been stated, but is there any evidence?

Exactly. No, none whatsoever.

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Socialism is a Mental Disease root@localhost. said:

On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:48:43 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L.

Rice) said:

Socialism is a Mental Disease root@localhost. said:

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 06:28:09 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>Socialism is a Mental Disease <root@localhost.> wrote:
>>On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 05:32:36 GMT, [email hidden] (Fredric L. Rice) wrote:
>>>>Alan S asks:
>>>>> So, tell me, what deep-seated need for recognition caused
>>>>> you to x-post this in five different newsgroups?
>>>>Let me guess, howabout all the newsgroups related to health and
>>>>the study showed health benefits from taking vitamin C.
>>>Here's a clue: Eat an orange, pal. you don't need supplements, you
>>>need a proper diet.
>>This coming directly out of your ass, right?
>Um, eventually, yeah, everything I eat does unless I throw up.
>What kind of an idiot thinks they need vitamin pills instead of a
>proper diet?
What kind of idiot says "instead" instead of "in addition"?

It looks like we found your Republican rightard, huh?

Huh!? Are you talking about yourself, genius?

It also looks like it's a Republican.

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Socialism is a Mental Disease <root@localhost.> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Excessive C can contribute to kidney stones if the taker's PH is already

out

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of balance.

This has often been stated, but is there any evidence?

Yeah, I had one.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 19:47:27 GMT, Socialism is a Mental Disease

root@localhost. said:

But given that roughly 100% of the world population are *NOT*
astronauts, what is your point, exactly?

too many people think that such food is scientifically correct, and
almost no time consumed for preparing, letting people work at least
one more hour daily, stressing around.
But, since only a fraction of needed organic and inorganic molecules
are intact in such food, diseases may arise in long term.