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"Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format. It's
been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be able
to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and attract
some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Kurgan Gringioni said:

"Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format. It's
been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be
able to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and
attract some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Call them Fred after you try it and win, Fred.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

"Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format.
It's been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be
able to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and
attract some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Call them Fred after you try it and win, Fred.

All right then.

Methamphetamine Across America (MAAM).

Heinz Getzler said:

A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format. It's
been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be able
to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and attract
some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type
race here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety
than France.

We need to elect a bike-racing president or something. I will serve, if called upon. I need a job.

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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

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This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type
race here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety
than France.

Bruhahahahaha - just missing 2000 years of culture and tradition ...

Theodor Seiz said:

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This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type race
here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety than
France.

Bruhahahahaha - just missing 2000 years of culture and tradition ...

And just what culture and tradition is that which hasn't been debased, disused and discarded over
the last century? Or transplanted in America from everywhere?

Old buildings is what's left.

"David Ryan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Theodor Seiz said:

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This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type
race here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety
than France.

Bruhahahahaha - just missing 2000 years of culture and tradition ...

And just what culture and tradition is that which hasn't been debased, disused and discarded over
the last century? Or transplanted in America from everywhere?

We're missing out on all those traditions left over from, say . . .

ummmmm . . .

The Dark Ages?

The Thirty Years War?

Naw, how about The Spanish Inquisition?

That's it, The Spanish Inquisition. All we have is the Salem Witch Trials, that pales by comparison.

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Kurgan Gringioni said:

"Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format.
It's been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be
able to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and
attract some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Call them Fred after you try it and win, Fred.

moron.

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format.
> It's been a number of years since the US

has

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> had a major national classic like the Tour Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors
> to put up a big enough prize then we might be able to attract some of the european teams.
> Getting a rider Like

Lance

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> would be a big draw and attract some major corporate sponsorship.
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> The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Call them Fred after you try it and win, Fred.

Na, Henry's not a Fred. This is but another illustration that he's a

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moron.

No it isn't.

RAAM isn't even close to conforming to a UCI race. Plus, the logistics of putting on a coast to
coast stage race are probably beyond what most of us can imagine. France is roughly the size of
Texas. Their planning and expenses would be far, far greater if it was a linear 3000 miles.
Something like this would have to evolve. Even the Tour de Trump (DuPont) probably didn't have
towns bidding to host start/finishes in the beginning, and it was just in the middle eastern
seaboard area.

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Na, Henry's not a Fred. This is but another illustration that he's a

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moron.

Yes he is. You should see him! Now if only he'd start riding again, he may graduate from "fred-dom."

Mike

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We're missing out on all those traditions left over from, say . . .

ummmmm . . .

The Dark Ages?

The Thirty Years War?

Naw, how about The Spanish Inquisition?

That's it, The Spanish Inquisition. All we have is the Salem Witch Trials, that pales by
comparison.

Don't forget the Norman conquest of the British Isles, the British invasions of France over the
years, the Napoleonic Wars, and a serious lack of space.

If the US ended at the Appalachians, we may have been able to put on a grand tour, but as it is, no
stinkin' way!

Mike

"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Na, Henry's not a Fred. This is but another illustration that he's a

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moron.

Compared to a man such as yourself, a man who got Lisa Voight fired by posting to rbr, a man who
improved CBS's Olympics coverage by inciting an email campaign to the LAF protesting interviews w/
LANCE's mom, a man who [censored] for a year in this newsgroup about a 17 year old junior racer who
used a profanity in a private email (while regularly using profanity in public posts, see above),
yes, compared to such genius, I am a moron.

I am humbled and awed to be in the virtual presence of such greatness.

Theodor Seiz said:

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This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type
race here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety
than France.

Bruhahahahaha - just missing 2000 years of culture and tradition ...

Nonsense! You're thinking in a box. Our traditions from 2000+ years ago are in many ways more noble,
beautiful and fascinating than those of Europe.

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could to protect our customers. Our products just aren't engineered for security." --Microsoft VP in
charge of Windows OS Development, Brian Valentine.

Raptor said:

Nonsense! You're thinking in a box. Our traditions from 2000+ years ago are in many ways more
noble, beautiful and fascinating than those of Europe.

This is probably a stupid question, but whose traditions are you talking about? For a vast majority
of Americans, "your" traditions from 2000+ years ago are the same as European traditions.

-as

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"B. Lafferty" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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> > Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race
> > format. It's been a number of years since the US

has

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> > had a major national classic like the Tour Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors
> > to put up a big enough prize then we might be able to attract some of the european teams.
> > Getting a rider Like

Lance

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> > would be a big draw and attract some major corporate sponsorship.
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> > The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.
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> Fred Across America (FRAAM) will never be a UCI race.

Call them Fred after you try it and win, Fred.

Na, Henry's not a Fred. This is but another illustration that he's a

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moron.

No it isn't.

RAAM isn't even close to conforming to a UCI race. Plus, the logistics of putting on a coast to
coast stage race are probably beyond what most of us can imagine. France is roughly the size of
Texas. Their planning and expenses would be far, far greater if it was a linear 3000 miles.
Something like this would have to evolve. Even the Tour de Trump (DuPont) probably didn't have
towns bidding to host start/finishes in the beginning, and it was just in the middle eastern
seaboard area.

Well my idea is to capture the interia of the RAAM. Perhaps we could morph it into a stage
race format???

"Heinz Getzler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well my idea is to capture the interia of the RAAM. Perhaps we could morph it into a stage race
format???

I really don't see that happening, although the blossoming ofthe RAAM team event has been great.
RAAM and stage races are just two different breeds with two and too different mindsets to morph.
They, and their participants, should each be appreciated for what they are.

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Heinz Getzler said:

A few weeks ago I happened to going downtown and I noticed this banner for the RAAM on harbor
drive in San Diego. I was suprised to see that Microsoft & IBM were sponsors for the race.

Perhaps there might be a possiblity of developing the RAAM into a hybrid stage race format. It's
been a number of years since the US has had a major national classic like the Tour
Dupont.............If we could get the sponsors to put up a big enough prize then we might be
able to attract some of the european teams. Getting a rider Like Lance would be a big draw and
attract some major corporate sponsorship.

The big issue is getting the UCI to put on the World Cup schedule.

This country has so many neat places to ride, it's a tragedy we don't have a Grand Tour type
race here. America can easily match that Continental scenery, and we've got tons more variety
than France.

We need to elect a bike-racing president or something. I will serve, if called upon. I need a job.

I'll vote for you!

We have the Ironman Triathlon in Coeur D'alene, Idaho the end of this month.

Lake Cour D'alene was voted as one of the 10 most beautiful lakes in the world by National
Geographic magazine a few years ago. But an even more beautiful lake/area is Lake Pend Oreille about
25 miles north of Lake Coeur D'alene.

The lake is 55 miles long, 6 miles wide and up to 1200 feet deep. Beautiful clear water and good
wind everyday. I have my sailboat slipped there.

I vote for the Tour de Pend Oreille.

Dashii

A "Great American Tour" could have tons of different routes and still hop across the US in 2 or 3
weeks every year.

The Zinger/Classic was put on by ONE GUY, basically.

You could have longer than usual days and more transfers. Or just have the dudes bus a ways each
day. We have the FREEWAYS, baby, that Europe doesn't have! Smoove and easy to sleep on and we have
BUSES galore.

You could connect the dots with worldclass scenery and 200-mile stages and be done in short order
and still go from coast to coast each year.

The RAAM could be a stage race no problemo.

It's a nutty thing right now, with the no-sleep, but it's only, what, 8 days, or 6 days for teams.
Just have the whole show stop each night for a decent rest and you can get across the US without any
transfers in probably 2 weeks.

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Jeff Potter said:

The Zinger/Classic was put on by ONE GUY, basically.

PS: By "one guy" I meant that one guy was the dude with the Vision Thing who provided the Big
Motor each year. Michael Aisner, right? RAAM as it is, is mainly due to one guy's vision as
well, isn't it? Sure, it takes tons of people to pull it off (right, Henry?), but if one
honcho or a team today got the VISION THING for a RAAM Stage Race they could get tourism and
chamber of commerce and corpo backing I bet. I bet it wouldn't be any harder than Aisner or
Shermer had it!!!

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*Out Your Backdoor * outyourbackdoor.comoutyourbackdoor.comOpen ↗ for modern folkways and culture revival...
...offering "small world" views on bikes, bows, books, movies... ...new books featuring: XC ski
culture, a Gulf Coast thriller folding bicycles ... with radical novels coming up! ...original
downloadable music ... and articles galore! plus national "Off the Beaten Path" travel forums!
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