Excercise

Only eating less will guarantee weight loss, but exercise can help
tremendously.

How much exercise depends on many factors.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"MD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight loss?

MD said:

Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight loss?

30 mins on the treadmill works for me, even when I'm not watching my eating.

But the strange thing is that 30 mins walking does not seem to work.
The treadmill keeps me on the straight & narrow!

30 mins swimming works too.

If you know it so well, why haven't you put it to better use?

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You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

"Graphic Queen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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JC Der Koenig said:

Only eating less will guarantee weight loss, but exercise can help
tremendously.

It has been proven that if a person would do the low-carb thing they
automatically cut their calories but that they can eat until they are
full. Hell my calories cut so much and I was totally amazed but I
still eat until I feel full.

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How much exercise depends on many factors.

You have a wonderful way of posting what everyone already knows.

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Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

Graphic Queen said:

JC Der Koenig said:

How much exercise depends on many factors.

You have a wonderful way of posting what everyone already knows.

if everyone already knows, why are they still asking the questions?

"MD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight loss?

I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Ask yourself:
"Am I in shape?"
If you're not physically fit, you need some exercise to help get yourself
there. And, in doing so, you will lose weight from the exercise as your
muscles become toned and active. I just got through reading a book by Dr.
Bob Arnot called "Wear and Tear--Stop the pain and put the spring back in
your body".

He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of hurting
the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs and sports, too.
It's worth a read.

Pat in TX
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Pat wrote:
|| "MD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
|| news:IliEd.26725$Q%4.17787@fed1read06...
||| Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight
||| loss?
||
|| I think you are looking at this from the wrong perspective. Ask
|| yourself: "Am I in shape?"
|| If you're not physically fit, you need some exercise to help get
|| yourself there. And, in doing so, you will lose weight from the
|| exercise as your muscles become toned and active. I just got
|| through reading a book by Dr. Bob Arnot called "Wear and Tear--Stop
|| the pain and put the spring back in your body".
||
|| He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of
|| hurting the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs
|| and sports, too. It's worth a read.
||

What were some of his conclusions?

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I just got through reading a book by Dr.
Bob Arnot called "Wear and Tear--Stop the pain and put the spring back in
your body".

He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of hurting
the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs and sports, too.
It's worth a read.

Pat in TX

Arnot has osteoarthritis. Arnot, by his own admission, has returned to
skiing, running, hiking and other activities which continue to degenerate
his articular cartilage. He is one bad event from a total hip replacement.

His recent claim to fame is to have "found" the wonders of the
"Glucosamine/Chondroiton" ( his misspelling not mine) complex after 20
years in OA network coverage. If he spent less time being Mr. NBC and more
time in clinical medicine, or simply paying attention, he would have
"found" that GC dosing has been highly effective in reducing the narrowing
of the joints and in some cases regenerating articular cartilage. For a
decade.

We get ditties from Arnot like "I¢d argue strongly that preventing a bad
event is prevention." Well, duh, ya' think?

It gets tiring to see physicians writing about old news as if it is new
news just to smack out a few bucks. Arnot shouts his "discovery" with
quotes like this. "The earlier you start the better, but whatever stage
you're at, Wear and Tear has the answers."

Interested in where Arnot's head is today? "I can jump off a precipice into
the steepest couloir in Jackson Hole, surf the toughest onshore break at
Bondi Beach, Australia -- all the things I wanted to do as a kid but never
dared!" lol He had brains when he was younger.

If Arnot does anything, he brings to focus to the fact that OA has no
preventative effort in medicine except those osteos/orthos/IMs that are
bright enough to encourage the use of GC in *all* of the populace. That's
right, everyone especially those who are at high risk. Those would be ppl
who have previous lower body joint injury, those with malformities, gait
issues and women over 45.

OA is the downside to an ageing population which is often developed (early
onset) from an overactive childhood and the incorrect selection of (too
many) sports. Got Buddy out playing football for the Old High School? Buddy
will pay a severe price in his forties. Got Susie out 7 days a week on the
soccer field? Susie's knee replacement will be expensive.

We are caught between the rock and the hard place. Most of us are either
frenetically overactive or couch slugs. Somewhere we have lost our senses
in moderation.

It is not if but when are you going to be hit with OA. All you have to do
is live long enough. How you treat your body, from childhood to death, will
be the marker for how soon you will be struck with OA. Remember this when
your child puts on his cleats.

It is possible to lose weight without exercise.

If trying to lose without dieting, the level of exercise needed may be
large. You might consider the level of exercise shown in the TV show The
Biggest Loser as an indication.

"MD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight loss?

i find that following my LOW CARB WAY OF EATING, and walking 30
minutes 3X WEEK was the key for me!

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rosie

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"MD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: Does anyone know how much excercise per day it takes to see weight
loss?
:
:

: ||
: || He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of
: || hurting the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs
: || and sports, too. It's worth a read.
: ||
:
: What were some of his conclusions?

He evidently thinks that people have flaws in their walking which need to be
examined and corrected (even with better shoes). He doesn't much like
walking as an exercise because people do it without knowledge of their
particular problems--and then they exacerbate those problems causing joint
pain and wear and tear arthritis. He doesn't particularly like the
treadmill for that same reason. Here is what he writes about that: "The
treadmill fundamentally alters the way you walk or run. Scientists call
this altering gait mechanics." And Dr. W. P. Oriend, D.P.M, says " Symptoms
commonly appear as heel, arch, and metatarsal pain, as well as knee and low
back problems."

Then he goes on to say " ...investigators have found there is a quickened
rate of striding and a decrease in stride length. This requires more steps
per mile than running over ground. That means more heel strikes, more
push-offs, and more energy expended than when running over ground." And Dr.
Oriend writes, "This may benefit the cardiovascular system, but in anyone
with inherent mechanical flaws, the additional repetitious movement may be
harmful."

So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a
Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!), stationary
bicycles, Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing, water
sports/aerobics/walking in water, rowing, elliptical trainers, and scooters
such as the Razor. He gives a conditional approval to the following,
because some people use them wrong or have wrong body mechanics: stair
steppers, treadmill, walking, and running. Sports he dislikes because of
their possibility of injury to joint tissues are: tennis, skiing,
basketball, volleyball, football, and soccer. His book is mostly about
trying to protect joints so that osteoarthritis and mechanical problems with
the joints won't affect people.

Pat in TX

: ||
: || He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of
: || hurting the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs
: || and sports, too. It's worth a read.
: ||
:
: What were some of his conclusions?

He evidently thinks that people have flaws in their walking which need to be
examined and corrected (even with better shoes). He doesn't much like
walking as an exercise because people do it without knowledge of their
particular problems--and then they exacerbate those problems causing joint
pain and wear and tear arthritis. He doesn't particularly like the
treadmill for that same reason. Here is what he writes about that: "The
treadmill fundamentally alters the way you walk or run. Scientists call
this altering gait mechanics." And Dr. W. P. Oriend, D.P.M, says " Symptoms
commonly appear as heel, arch, and metatarsal pain, as well as knee and low
back problems."

Then he goes on to say " ...investigators have found there is a quickened
rate of striding and a decrease in stride length. This requires more steps
per mile than running over ground. That means more heel strikes, more
push-offs, and more energy expended than when running over ground." And Dr.
Oriend writes, "This may benefit the cardiovascular system, but in anyone
with inherent mechanical flaws, the additional repetitious movement may be
harmful."

So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a
Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!), stationary
bicycles, Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing, water
sports/aerobics/walking in water, rowing, elliptical trainers, and scooters
such as the Razor. He gives a conditional approval to the following,
because some people use them wrong or have wrong body mechanics: stair
steppers, treadmill, walking, and running. Sports he dislikes because of
their possibility of injury to joint tissues are: tennis, skiing,
basketball, volleyball, football, and soccer. His book is mostly about
trying to protect joints so that osteoarthritis and mechanical problems with
the joints won't affect people.

Pat in TX

Pat said:

Arnot evidently thinks that people have flaws in their walking which need to be
examined and corrected (even with better shoes).

Gait problems in the populace have been known for decades. The art of
orthotics has been a disciplined practiced for decades.

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He doesn't much like
walking as an exercise because people do it without knowledge of their
particular problems--and then they exacerbate those problems causing joint
pain and wear and tear arthritis.

Arthritis is chemically generated not mechanically. There is no such thing
as 'wear and tear arthritis".

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He doesn't particularly like the
treadmill for that same reason.

Not everyone lives in perfect climates. Or on perfect topographies.

Quoted message said:

Here is what he writes about that: "The
treadmill fundamentally alters the way you walk or run. Scientists call
this altering gait mechanics." And Dr. W. P. Oriend, D.P.M, says " Symptoms
commonly appear as heel, arch, and metatarsal pain, as well as knee and low
back problems."

Here is what I write about that: "The ground fundamentally alters the way
you walk or run. Mu calls this altering gait mechanics."

So, instead, Arnot runs and hikes. With degenerative articular cartilage in
both his right hip and knees.

Maybe he can't swim?

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Then he goes on to say " ...investigators have found there is a quickened
rate of striding and a decrease in stride length. This requires more steps
per mile than running over ground. That means more heel strikes, more
push-offs, and more energy expended than when running over ground."

Ever run uphill? Downhill? Is everybody running on flat, softly
compactedbutjustright earth? Who said you had to run on the treadmill
anyway?

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And Dr.
Oriend writes, "This may benefit the cardiovascular system, but in anyone
with inherent mechanical flaws, the additional repetitious movement may be
harmful."

Ya think? So we trade off cardiovascular health for potential degenerative
diseases of the lower limbs?

Inherent mechanical flaws? Well, that means all the bow legged, knock
kneed, foot slappers, pronators, supinators and dwarfs are out of luck.

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So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a
Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!),

Not worried about the traffic, huh?

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stationary
bicycles,

One good piece of advice. Aside from "the additional repetitious movement
which may be harmful." lol

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Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing,

Impractical for anyone on any continuing basis. I guess he locks his legs
and only skis on silvery flat lakes that have no other boats on them.

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water
sports/aerobics/walking in water, rowing, elliptical trainers, and scooters
such as the Razor.

In other words, no impact, no stress. No impact, no stress also = no bone
density changes.

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He gives a conditional approval to the following,
because some people use them wrong or have wrong body mechanics: stair
steppers, treadmill, walking, and running. Sports he dislikes because of
their possibility of injury to joint tissues are: tennis, skiing,

Both he admits to doing....Physician, Heal Thyself.

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basketball, volleyball, football, and soccer.

What about baseball, softball, lacrosse, ballet, modern dance, Scrabble?

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His book is mostly about
trying to protect joints so that osteoarthritis and mechanical problems with
the joints won't affect people.

Hw wrote about 20% of that book. Suzanne Bagin, his assistant did almost
all the work.

He could have saved a lot of time if he simply said "In moderation, almost
all activities are harmless."

But, then, he wouldn't have had anything to sell, would he?

Pat wrote:
::::: He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility
::::: of hurting the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at
::::: clubs and sports, too. It's worth a read.
:::::
:::
::: What were some of his conclusions?
::
:: He evidently thinks that people have flaws in their walking which
:: need to be examined and corrected (even with better shoes).

Good shoes are important!

He
:: doesn't much like walking as an exercise because people do it
:: without knowledge of their particular problems--and then they
:: exacerbate those problems causing joint pain and wear and tear
:: arthritis.

I've done a lot of walking in my day - mostly when I was really overweight
(300+ lbs). With poor shoes and too much ambition, walking got my feet
messed up badly. I used to be in such pain every night...it all began
because I was trying to walk too fast on a hard surface while wearing cheap
shoes and being very heavy. My body was trying to cash a check that my feet
couldn't pay up on.

He doesn't particularly like the treadmill for that same
:: reason. Here is what he writes about that: "The treadmill
:: fundamentally alters the way you walk or run. Scientists call this
:: altering gait mechanics." And Dr. W. P. Oriend, D.P.M, says "
:: Symptoms commonly appear as heel, arch, and metatarsal pain, as well
:: as knee and low back problems."

Interesting. I've been treadmilling lately. I don't plan to run, but I do
set the incline as high as I can and then increase the speed slowly, until
the HR gets jacked up. I do begin to feel some strain on the lower
back.....I back off before it goes too far. As for the feet, I do seen an
advantage there. The treadmill presents the same flat surface....whereas
walking on ground it more problematic, imo.

::
:: Then he goes on to say " ...investigators have found there is a
:: quickened rate of striding and a decrease in stride length. This
:: requires more steps per mile than running over ground. That means
:: more heel strikes, more push-offs, and more energy expended than
:: when running over ground."

Seems like an advantage if you don't overdo it.

And Dr. Oriend writes, "This may benefit
:: the cardiovascular system, but in anyone with inherent mechanical
:: flaws, the additional repetitious movement may be harmful."

I guess that's true...I not sure the same wouldn't be true if
walking/running over ground, though, due to the variable surface features.

::
:: So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a

Yea!

:: Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!), stationary
:: bicycles,

Yea! I turned to stationary bikes after I developed foot problems from
walking too fast over hard surface.

Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing,
:: water sports/aerobics/walking in water,

Water sports seems like a good idea. Something for me to consider in teh
future.

rowing, elliptical trainers,
:: and scooters such as the Razor. He gives a conditional approval to
:: the following, because some people use them wrong or have wrong body
:: mechanics: stair steppers, treadmill, walking, and running. Sports
:: he dislikes because of their possibility of injury to joint tissues
:: are: tennis, skiing, basketball, volleyball, football, and soccer.

I'd like to get back into tennis one day. Surely there are some risks with
these activities, but then life is about risk.

:: His book is mostly about trying to protect joints so that
:: osteoarthritis and mechanical problems with the joints won't affect
:: people.

I think joint health etc. is an important topic to be knowledge about, so
this is probably the value of his book.

Thanks for the summary.

Pat said:

: ||
: || He gives opinions on various exercises based on their possibility of
: || hurting the joints (or not). He talks about the machines at clubs
: || and sports, too. It's worth a read.
: ||
:
: What were some of his conclusions?

So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a
Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!), stationary
bicycles, Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing, water

Yoga is aerobic?

Martha

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"ALPO is 99 cents a can. That's over SEVEN dog dollars!!"
Revek - ASDLC

: > So what does he recommend for aerobic exercise? Bicycling (he has a
: > Litespeed titanium road bike with Ksyerium SSL wheels!), stationary
: > bicycles, Tai Chi, Yoga (big fan of yoga), Cross-country skiing, water
:
: Yoga is aerobic?
:
: Martha

He favors a type of Yoga called Bikram, also known as hot yoga. "It is
strenuous, athletic, even aerobic." "The temperature in the room was 105
degrees."

Pat in TX

Pat said:

He favors a type of Yoga called Bikram, also known as hot yoga. "It is
strenuous, athletic, even aerobic." "The temperature in the room was 105
degrees."

Pat in TX

http://www.yogafamily.com/bikramfaq/heat.htm

- Keeps body from overheating
- Protects muscles to allow for deeper stretching
- Detoxifies the body (opens pores to let toxins out)
- Things blood to clear circulatory system
- Melts fat by reorganizing lipids in muscular structure
- Increased heart rate for better cardiovascular workout
- Improves strength by putting muscles tissue in optimal state for
reorganization
- Prohibits cholesterol from sticking to protein

Don't look at me. I didn't make this [censored] up.

MU wrote:
|| On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:35:04 -0600, Pat wrote:
||
||| He favors a type of Yoga called Bikram, also known as hot yoga.
||| "It is strenuous, athletic, even aerobic." "The temperature in the
||| room was 105 degrees."
|||
||| Pat in TX
||
|| http://www.yogafamily.com/bikramfaq/heat.htm
||
|| - Keeps body from overheating
|| - Protects muscles to allow for deeper stretching
|| - Detoxifies the body (opens pores to let toxins out)
|| - Things blood to clear circulatory system
|| - Melts fat by reorganizing lipids in muscular structure
|| - Increased heart rate for better cardiovascular workout
|| - Improves strength by putting muscles tissue in optimal state for
|| reorganization
|| - Prohibits cholesterol from sticking to protein
||
|| Don't look at me. I didn't make this [censored] up.

Somebody worked overtime to come up with that [censored].