First Ride Observations

Not Responding said:

Out on the road bike today, although it was the 2nd ride if you count
the "delivery trip" from the LBS on Friday. Only 14 miles and I took 90
minutes over it as it included a non-negotiable leisurely tea stop. I
even dug out my lycra shorts and cycling jersey.

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels? I
generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in. A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit, 2 spare inners, puncture kit, pump, mobile phone,
walkman/radio, wallet, house keys, lock & keys, waterproof trousers and
jacket, overshoes, map, book (for reading in cafes), snacks, [censored] &
lighter. Try getting all that into a jersey pocket. I whittled this list
down to some cash and a phone with mp3. The big question is, how the
hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that lovely
lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

I have a frame fitting pump that fits to the frame of each bike. I carry
my tools, spare tube, levers, puncture repair kit in my saddle pack.
Everything else in my jersey/jacket. In there I usually have, cellular
phone, map, money, identification, ravaitaillement. Maybe a windproof
gilet (this sometimes gets stuffed in the saddle pack), arm warmers,
waterproof. A small (not really secure but some sort of deterent) lock
is looped around my saddle rails sometimes.

Quoted message said:

Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the whole
posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm crouched
down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that. It's going to take
a while for me to get used to all aspects of the drop bars. I'm not all
that convinced that there really that many more hand positions with
drops than with flat bars and bar ends. It seems truer to say that drops
give you more *body* positions to choose from. Finally, the saddle.
Well, I won't swap it yet but my bum tells me that it is as minimalist
and svelte as it looks (the saddle, that is).

Third observation; riding the thing. I really am sure it's faster. I'm
going to get a GPS or computer for it to check this but, then again,
maybe I don't really want to discover that I'm doing the same speed but
with less suspension. I realise that I'm a bit low on confidence still
but it's been a long time since I was scared of speed on a bike. I was
coming down Portsdown Hill on Friday on the brakes all the way🙁 Maybe a
triple wasn't strictly necessary - can't see myself needing the big
chainring!

That'll do for now as I'm being summoned for lunch.

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First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels? I
generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just throw
stuff in.

Pump on top tube (morphs into floor pump) and tools in saddle bag. On longer
trips I can use second bottle cage as shown here:

http://www.simonmason.karoo.net/fondriest2.jpg

Nicorette tabs take up less space than [censored] and lighter ;-)

--
Simon Mason
Anlaby
East Yorkshire.
53°44'N 0°26'W
http://www.simonmason.karoo.net

Not Responding said:

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels?

Pockets, seat pack and sometimes Camelback.

Quoted message said:

I generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in.

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A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit

Yes, in small pack under seat with puncture kit and loose change
, 2 spare inners,
No

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puncture kit, pump, mobile phone,

Yes, latter two in back pocket or pump in frame clip

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walkman/radio,

No - much too busy enjoying the cycling and scenery.

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wallet,

No, credit card a bit of cash only in back pocket

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house keys,

Yes, back pocket

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lock & keys,

Small cable lock - I always leave it where I can see it so I only need a
delaying lock not a protecting lock. Wrapped round seat post

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waterproof trousers and jacket

Only jacket which I either wear or folds into itself with a waist strap.
Legs can get wet and dry out again
, overshoes
Either I wear them or leave them at home
, map,
If I'm not sure where I'm going it goes in a back pocket in a plastic bag

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book (for reading in cafes), snacks,

No and I stop for snacks. The map will keep me happily amused in a cafe

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[censored] & lighter.

Absolutely not

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Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the whole
posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm crouched
down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that. It's going to take
a while for me to get used to all aspects of the drop bars. I'm not all
that convinced that there really that many more hand positions with
drops than with flat bars and bar ends. It seems truer to say that drops
give you more *body* positions to choose from. Finally, the saddle.
Well, I won't swap it yet but my bum tells me that it is as minimalist
and svelte as it looks (the saddle, that is).

Top centre of bars, top on the corners, forward on the hood (my normal
riding position), down on the drops. Thats four vs two on flats with
bar ends and one on flats.

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Third observation; riding the thing. I really am sure it's faster. I'm
going to get a GPS or computer for it to check this but, then again,
maybe I don't really want to discover that I'm doing the same speed but
with less suspension. I realise that I'm a bit low on confidence still
but it's been a long time since I was scared of speed on a bike. I was
coming down Portsdown Hill on Friday on the brakes all the way🙁 Maybe a
triple wasn't strictly necessary - can't see myself needing the big
chainring!

You will, trust me ;-)

Tony

in message <[email hidden]>, Not

Responding (') said:

Out on the road bike today, although it was the 2nd ride if you count
the "delivery trip" from the LBS on Friday. Only 14 miles and I took
90 minutes over it as it included a non-negotiable leisurely tea stop.
I even dug out my lycra shorts and cycling jersey.

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels?
I generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in.

Real roadies don't (well, they have a team car to do that for them). I
use a bar bag. Other people I know mostly limit themselves to what they
can stuff in the back pockets of their jerseys.

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A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit,

check

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2 spare inners,

1 spare inner

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puncture kit,

check

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pump,

on bike

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mobile phone,

usually

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walkman/radio,

sometimes

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wallet,

check

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house keys,

check

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lock & keys,

No need. You aren't going to let the bike out of your sight anyway, as a
lock good enough to protect your #1 road bike when out of your sight
hasn't been invented yet.

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waterproof trousers
and jacket,

No. The bulk just gets too much. If it's winter and it looks like rain,
wear your waterproof jacket instead of a windproof (although most
windproofs are in fact pretty showerproof). 'Roubaix' style (fleecy)
lycra longs are warm enough in winter even when wet provided you keep
going.

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overshoes,

Wear them or don't take them.

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map,

sometimes

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book (for reading in cafes),

No. Too much weight.

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snacks,

A couple of cereal bars. Anything more bulky can be purchased en route.

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[censored]
& lighter.

Not needed.

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Try getting all that into a jersey pocket. I whittled this
list down to some cash and a phone with mp3. The big question is, how
the hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that
lovely lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

Two solutions: best is get a frame fit pump like the Topeak Road Morph;
alternatively get a compact with a water-bottle-holder-clip such as the
Blackburn Airstick, one of which adorns each of my bikes.

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Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the
whole posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm
crouched down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that.

If you're on Campag (which I think you are) you should find that you
have two comfortable positions from which you can work the brakes
effectively. The first is with the web of your hands on the hoods; this
should be a comfortably relaxed slouching position (particularly on
your bike which seems to have its bars pretty much as high as the
saddle). The second is down on the drops which is, as you say, a
crouching position.

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It's
going to take a while for me to get used to all aspects of the drop
bars. I'm not all that convinced that there really that many more hand
positions with drops than with flat bars and bar ends. It seems truer
to say that drops give you more *body* positions to choose from.
Finally, the saddle. Well, I won't swap it yet but my bum tells me
that it is as minimalist and svelte as it looks (the saddle, that is).

I have, at least temporarily, put a 'minimalist, svelte' Selle Italia
SLR on my Dolan. I find this OK for thirty-milers and haven't yet tried
it on an eighty-miler; but I don't (yet, at any rate) find it anything
like as comfortable as the Brooks Professionals I have on all my other
bikes. It is, however, more than 500g lighter, and that's a difference
which, IMHO, makes a difference.

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Third observation; riding the thing. I really am sure it's faster. I'm
going to get a GPS or computer for it to check this but, then again,
maybe I don't really want to discover that I'm doing the same speed
but with less suspension.

You aren't. You really are going faster. It's amazing the difference it
makes.

--
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;; Skill without imagination is craftsmanship and gives us
;; many useful objects such as wickerwork picnic baskets.
;; Imagination without skill gives us modern art.
;; Tom Stoppard, Artist Descending A Staircase

Not Responding said:

The big question is, how the
hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that lovely
lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

Either use a mini-pump which can go in your jersey pocket or attached
with a special clip below your bottle cage, or go for a CO2 system that
can be fitted into a tiny behind-the-saddle bag along with your tyre
levers, spare tube and multi-tool. With your arm this might be a better
idea than a hand pump in any case.

--
Dave...

Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the
future of the human race. - H. G. Wells

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Quoted message said:

Out on the road bike today, although it was the 2nd ride if you count the
"delivery trip" from the LBS on Friday. Only 14 miles and I took 90
minutes over it as it included a non-negotiable leisurely tea stop. I even
dug out my lycra shorts and cycling jersey.

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels? I
generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just throw
stuff in. A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take: tool kit,
2 spare inners, puncture kit, pump, mobile phone, walkman/radio, wallet,
house keys, lock & keys, waterproof trousers and jacket, overshoes, map,
book (for reading in cafes), snacks, [censored] & lighter. Try getting all that
into a jersey pocket. I whittled this list down to some cash and a phone
with mp3. The big question is, how the hell do you carry a pump? I really
don't want to lash it to that lovely lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

Dunno about roadies! I use a Carradice SQR seatpost bag - holds everything
for a 200k audax. Pump is Innovations road air - I can get 120psi front it
and is has a bracket that fits on the bottlecage mounts. Alternayively for a
quick blast spare tube and tyre levers and mobile phone in jersey pockets.

HTH
Julia

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:31:34 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels? I
generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in.

Quoted message said:

A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit, 2 spare inners, puncture kit,

seat pack

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pump,

clipped in front of seat tube

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mobile phone,
walkman/radio, wallet,

no radio, but others in jersey pockets

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house keys,

one key on string round neck

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lock & keys,

lock clips to holder below saddle & pack

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waterproof trousers and
jacket, overshoes, map,

bungee strap on rack

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book (for reading in cafes), snacks, [censored] &
lighter.

not required.

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Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the whole
posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm crouched
down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that.

brake from the hoods

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how the
hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that lovely
lustrous frame.

Most of us just lash it to an old, battered frame :-/

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I can only use the brakes if I'm crouched down

Web of hands over the hood bits like wot wossname said allows you to work
the brakes adequately. It's not going to let you do and emergency stop
(well, trundlies say you can but they're lying). I often go on the drops
just because of the extra breaking power, but that's because I'm always
runing late and rushing through SMIDSY central.

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I'm not all that convinced that there really that many more hand

positions with drops than with flat bars and bar ends.

There's loads, but there's only three 'normal' ones. The rest are used
only for variety 'cos you're futher away from the brakes/have less
control.

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Third observation; riding the thing. I really am sure it's faster.

By just a few miles an hour, but that's significant when you're doing 30
or less. The lower riding position makes it seem faster, and also seems
to force you to go faster as well.

Downhill may be a different matter. The drops give an aerodynamic
advantage, but is this outweighed by the sheer weight of my mates lead
pipe mountain bike?

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Not
Responding ([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

snip

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Quoted message said:

Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the
whole posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm
crouched down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that.

If you're on Campag (which I think you are) you should find that you
have two comfortable positions from which you can work the brakes
effectively. The first is with the web of your hands on the hoods; this
should be a comfortably relaxed slouching position (particularly on
your bike which seems to have its bars pretty much as high as the
saddle).

Thanks for that. I've just tried it and it works. Wonder why my hands
didn't naturally find that out?

MSeries said:

Not Responding wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels?
I generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in. A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit, 2 spare inners, puncture kit, pump, mobile phone,
walkman/radio, wallet, house keys, lock & keys, waterproof trousers
and jacket, overshoes, map, book (for reading in cafes), snacks, [censored]
& lighter. Try getting all that into a jersey pocket. I whittled this
list down to some cash and a phone with mp3. The big question is, how
the hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that
lovely lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

I have a frame fitting pump that fits to the frame of each bike. I carry
my tools, spare tube, levers, puncture repair kit in my saddle pack.
Everything else in my jersey/jacket. In there I usually have, cellular
phone, map, money, identification, ravaitaillement. Maybe a windproof
gilet (this sometimes gets stuffed in the saddle pack), arm warmers,
waterproof. A small (not really secure but some sort of deterent) lock
is looped around my saddle rails sometimes.

More or less the same. I ritually puncture a new tube every new year as
payment for my puncture license [1] so have paid my dues and don't need
a puncture repair kit to placate the PF. I put immediate valuables in
the jersey pockets (wallet, phone, keys). A map fits just right in to
the jersey pockets. Frame fit pump, or a small compact one is fine. with
three pockets I can add plenty of munchies.

I don't take a book or [censored].

If I want more space I put the saddlebag on, into which I can quite
happily fit my smallest real tripod, digital camera, and other gubbins
like waterproof (including the toolkit in the seat pack).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the
whole posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm
crouched down

You shood be able to use them from the drops and from the hoods. From
the hoods feels a bit strange at first but works just fine.

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Quoted message said:

and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that. It's
going to take a while for me to get used to all aspects of the drop
bars. I'm not all that convinced that there really that many more hand
positions with drops than with flat bars and bar ends.

two more in my estimation (making six).Road[MTB]: Full hands on top
[hands on grips]; First finger on grips, rest of hand off [same again];
Hands around hoods, palm to side. [Hands on bar ends]; Palms flat on top
of hoods [Palms flat on top of bar ends]; hands on end of drops [no
comparison]; hands on drops in bend [no comparison].

This is of course ignoring the Sean Yates 'roasting chicken' position
where you clasp your hands together around the steerer and stem and put
your chin on the bars (metaphorically).

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Quoted message said:

It seems truer
to say that drops give you more *body* positions to choose from.
Finally, the saddle. Well, I won't swap it yet but my bum tells me
that it is as minimalist and svelte as it looks (the saddle, that is).

definitely one of those things you will have to try several of.

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Third observation; riding the thing. I really am sure it's faster.

It is. Especially up hill.

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Quoted message said:

I'm
going to get a GPS or computer for it to check this but, then again,
maybe I don't really want to discover that I'm doing the same speed
but with less suspension. I realise that I'm a bit low on confidence
still but it's been a long time since I was scared of speed on a bike.
I was coming down Portsdown Hill on Friday on the brakes all the way🙁
Maybe a triple wasn't strictly necessary - can't see myself needing
the big chainring!

Compact double.. didn't we tell you so?

So when is the first '10'?

...d

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

I can only use the brakes if I'm crouched down

Web of hands over the hood bits like wot wossname said allows you to work
the brakes adequately. It's not going to let you do and emergency stop
(well, trundlies say you can but they're lying).

I get bette brake control from the hoods, rather than the drops. I
*much* prefer braking from the hoods. Then again, I have just changed
the levers so that may now be different.

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Quoted message said:

I'm not all that convinced that there really that many more hand
positions with drops than with flat bars and bar ends.

There's loads, but there's only three 'normal' ones. The rest are used
only for variety 'cos you're futher away from the brakes/have less
control.

I missed 'no hands' in my list, but that applies to both.

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Downhill may be a different matter. The drops give an aerodynamic
advantage, but is this outweighed by the sheer weight of my mates lead
pipe mountain bike?

No. aerodynamics wins every time. Weight scales linearly, aerodynamics
as a square.

However, if your mate ditched his flat bars for drops..

This is one disadvantage of losing the aerobelly, descents get slower.

...d

Not Responding wrote:
[.............]

Quoted message said:

The big question is, how
the hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that
lovely lustrous frame. Today I chanced it.

I don't think an HPX under the top tube looks so bad (zip tie on head tube
to act as a peg), but there's plenty of mini pumps and CO2 things if you
want an alternative. Spare tube can be an ultralight one to keep the bulk
down. A fair amount can be stuffed into a Carradice Prima Maxi wedge
bag*, or onto a seatpost rack, but a smaller bag wards off Kitchen Sink
Syndrome.

* so big that it can obstruct legs, depending on saddle width, saddle
position, and legs!

Quoted message said:

Second observation; comfort. The bike's not uncomfortable but the
whole posture is very different. I can only use the brakes if I'm
crouched down and I don't yet feel totally at ease like that. It's
going to take a while for me to get used to all aspects of the drop
bars.

Shouldn't have to crouch down to use the brakes from the hood position
(pushing levers from above rather than pulling them from drops), and that
way of using the brakes should be adequate for most situations. The
handlebar stem may be too long or low otherwise, or perhasp levers could
be moved up or down the bars a bit.

Quoted message said:

I'm not all that convinced that there really that many more
hand positions with drops than with flat bars and bar ends. It seems
truer to say that drops give you more *body* positions to choose
from.

I find it's more hand positions as well, partly because I have as much as
possible of the bars taped to provide an infinite number of hand positions
on the "tops". Some bars offer more usuable positions than others (re
shape of bit just behind levers) and exact position of levers makes a
difference too.

/snip

Quoted message said:

I realise that I'm a bit low on confidence
still but it's been a long time since I was scared of speed on a
bike. I was coming down Portsdown Hill on Friday on the brakes all
the way🙁 Maybe a triple wasn't strictly necessary - can't see myself
needing the big chainring!

Takes a good few rides, and often some tinkering of riding position, to
get used to any bike (partcularly so with road bikes). Best of luck.

What cassette did you get, BTW?

~PB

Not Responding of said:

mobile phone, walkman/radio, map, book (for reading in cafes),

Combine all that lot in a pocket pc phone edition e.g. XDA IIs.
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Steph Peters delete invalid from [email hidden]
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Steph Peters <[email hidden]> typed:

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Not Responding of said:

mobile phone, walkman/radio, map, book (for reading in cafes),

Combine all that lot in a pocket pc phone edition e.g. XDA IIs.

Or a P900, like he's already got, IIRC. There's also a Bluetooth GPS you can
get for it, too, although I don't think there's any OS map software
available for it at the moment. Sounds like a cool toy, though.

A

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Or a P900, like he's already got, IIRC. There's also a Bluetooth GPS you can
get for it, too, although I don't think there's any OS map software
available for it at the moment. Sounds like a cool toy, though.

I recently got a P910 after ages of deliberating whether to wait for the
Treo650 (to replace a Treo370 that broke). Must say I wish now I had
waited. P900/910 software falls a long way short of Treo/Palm software
- it doesn't even sync properly unless you make Outlook your default
e-mail programme.

Tony

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Tony Raven <[email hidden]> typed:

Quoted message said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Or a P900, like he's already got, IIRC. There's also a Bluetooth GPS
you can get for it, too, although I don't think there's any OS map
software available for it at the moment. Sounds like a cool toy,
though.

I recently got a P910 after ages of deliberating whether to wait for
the Treo650 (to replace a Treo370 that broke). Must say I wish now I
had waited. P900/910 software falls a long way short of Treo/Palm
software - it doesn't even sync properly unless you make Outlook your
default e-mail programme.

Yeah, the lack of sync to MAPI is a silly fault. Can't see why they couldn't
do it. If anyone had reverse engineered the protocol, I'd be happy doing the
sync bit. I'm pleased with the 3rd party software available, but mainly I've
just used Opera and things for games, EScummVM being a great way to relive
the games of my childhood in spare moments.

GPS software looks pretty poor indeed. Maybe if I've got copious free time,
do a lot of riding and have a bit of spare cash over the next year I could
try and hack something together. It'd be fun, anyway.

A

in message <[email hidden]>, Mark

Thompson (') said:

Web of hands over the hood bits like wot wossname said allows you to
work the brakes adequately.  It's not going to let you do and
emergency stop

Does on Campag. Not on Shimano, allegedly (but then I wouldn't know).
But current generation Campags, you can definitely emergency stop from
the hoods.

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;; patch to an eight bit operating system originally coded for a
;; four bit microprocessor and sold by a two-bit company that
;; can't stand one bit of competition -- anonymous

On Sun, 09 Jan 2005 14:31:34 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

First observation; how do roadies carry all their goods and chattels? I
generally don't set out with less than a rack pack and bar bag just
throw stuff in. A quick audit this morning shows that I usually take:
tool kit, 2 spare inners, puncture kit, pump, mobile phone,
walkman/radio, wallet, house keys, lock & keys, waterproof trousers and
jacket, overshoes, map, book (for reading in cafes), snacks, [censored] &
lighter. Try getting all that into a jersey pocket. I whittled this list
down to some cash and a phone with mp3. The big question is, how the
hell do you carry a pump? I really don't want to lash it to that lovely
lustrous frame.

Pump? I carry mine underneath a small seat pack. See pics:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gareth.evans490/seatpack1.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/gareth.evans490/seatpack2.jpg

There are two elastic straps stitched to the underside of the pack
which I augment with a couple of rubber bands. It works very well, the
pump is secure, doesn't rattle, and clips on and off the bike in one
neat bundle with the seat pack.

I have the (Topeak) clips attached to the saddles of all my bikes, so
I can snap the pack onto whichever bike I happen to be taking out.

I usually carry less than you, and so use the smallest seat pack in
the range, but it's still big enough for...

tools, inner tube, two puncture repair kits (park glueless and
traditional), tyre boot, spokey, 2 tyre levers, a ten pound note and a
fifty pence piece.

If I'm out for a ride I don't need my wallet, or phone and my mp3
player is worn in a pocket or on my arm.

--

Call me "Bob"

"More oneness, less categories,
Open hearts, no strategies"

Email address is spam trapped, to reply directly remove the beverage.

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Yeah, the lack of sync to MAPI is a silly fault. Can't see why they couldn't
do it. If anyone had reverse engineered the protocol, I'd be happy doing the
sync bit. I'm pleased with the 3rd party software available, but mainly I've
just used Opera and things for games, EScummVM being a great way to relive
the games of my childhood in spare moments.

Its not that it doesn't have it. I have set mine to not sync e-mail
because I'm not interested in having e-mail messages on the phone but to
sync Outlook Calendar or Tasks you still have to set Outlook as your
default e-mail client or else it adds all your desktop data to the data
in the phone creating multiple entries. I now have a e-mail client
switch shortcut on my desktop so I have to switch to Outlook as default
e-mail, sync the P910 and switch back to TB as default e-mail. Palm
stuff has that all sorted out, works well and makes Sony-Ericsson look
like amateur rubbish. There is a hell of a lot more software around
that runs on the Palm platform including a lot of free stuff whereas SE
is very limited and seems to come with high prices attached and a
minimal set packaged with the phone.

Tony