SICK SICK SICK

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Sorry you are freezing your ass off, it is raining, flooding, whatever
is causing interuptions of ridiculous posts, downgrading abuse of
honest bike frame builders or people, etc. etc., etc. Poor baby-
boredom hurts.

Hell with this; back to my little cocoon- called a car. Roll up the
window; scare the beejesus out of the low and slow types.

Glad I sold out. No more collection, no more additions, no more free
fairings to Canada, no more free upgrades to Iowa, no more nothing.
Recumbents are a financially losing business I was in only for
enjoyment; but just like almost all hobbies- it can be dropped.
Chris Jordan
Santa Cruz, CA.

Sounds to me as if you are ready for a little rest Chris. I'm guessing your
problem is with the Santa Cruz weather. It's just too perfect - you never
get a break from it do you - it's just ride, ride, ride, all the time, every
day. The rest of us do get frequent breaks - as you said, freezing our
asses off, rain, floods, and similar such Acts of God, oops, excuse me,
let's make that Acts of Nature.

I can only suggest that you spend some time away from that cycling paradise
called Santa Cruz and join all of us in the real world in places with names
like Worthington, Rock Island County, Chicago, Toronto, etc. You've earned
and well deserve this kind of a break.

Hope you feel better soon.

skip

Thanks for the good advice Skip. I just got a little irked with Jonny
NoBrain garbage! I was still a little upset about spray painting
flames on me, the fence, and the back tire of my TerraTrike yesterday;
everything except the carefully cut silver Mylar (Candy Apple effect) I
intended to paint.

Supposed to paint at 70 degrees or higher, and it was only 67 degrees.
Yup, that must be the root of the problem! Maybe I should head south
for a while.

Chris

Thanks for the good advice Skip. I just got a little irked with Jonny
NoBrain garbage! I was still a little upset about spray painting
flames on me, the fence, and the back tire of my TerraTrike yesterday;
everything except the carefully cut silver Mylar (Candy Apple effect) I
intended to paint.

Supposed to paint at 70 degrees or higher, and it was only 67 degrees.
Yup, that must be the root of the problem! Maybe I should head south
for a while.

Chris

skip said:

...
I can only suggest that you spend some time away from that cycling paradise
called Santa Cruz and join all of us in the real world in places with names
like Worthington, Rock Island County, Chicago, Toronto, etc....

Who is from Toronto, Iowa?

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

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$kip said:

...
I can only suggest that you spend some time away from that cycling
paradise called Santa Cruz and join all of us in the real world in places
with names like Worthington, Rock Island County, Chicago, Toronto,
etc....

Who is from Toronto, Iowa?

Everyone has to be from somewhere, but I don't know anyone who has to be
from Toronto, Iowa.

There are alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent regulars from the other locales
mentioned, but no one from Toronto, Iowa that I am aware of.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

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Thanks for the good advice Skip. I just got a little irked with Jonny
NoBrain garbage! I was still a little upset about spray painting
flames on me, the fence, and the back tire of my TerraTrike yesterday;
everything except the carefully cut silver Mylar (Candy Apple effect) I
intended to paint.

Supposed to paint at 70 degrees or higher, and it was only 67 degrees.
Yup, that must be the root of the problem! Maybe I should head south
for a while.

Chris

Well I had a feeling this was all weather related. Did you manage to get
any paint on the Terra Trike (other than on the back tire)? And how does
the fence look with the new flame paint job? Looks like a pretty fast fence
I'd bet.

skip

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skip said:

...
I can only suggest that you spend some time away from that cycling
paradise called Santa Cruz and join all of us in the real world in places
with names like Worthington, Rock Island County, Chicago, Toronto,
etc....

Who is from Toronto, Iowa?

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

Everyone has to be from somewhere, but I don't know anyone who has to be
from Toronto, Iowa.

$kip

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Sorry you are freezing your ass off, it is raining, flooding, whatever
is causing interuptions of ridiculous posts, downgrading abuse of
honest bike frame builders or people, etc. etc., etc. Poor baby-
boredom hurts.

Hell with this; back to my little cocoon- called a car. Roll up the
window; scare the beejesus out of the low and slow types.

Glad I sold out. No more collection, no more additions, no more free
fairings to Canada, no more free upgrades to Iowa, no more nothing.
Recumbents are a financially losing business I was in only for
enjoyment; but just like almost all hobbies- it can be dropped.
Chris Jordan
Santa Cruz, CA.

Sounds to me as if you are ready for a little rest Chris. I'm guessing
your problem is with the Santa Cruz weather. It's just too perfect - you
never get a break from it do you - it's just ride, ride, ride, all the
time, every day. The rest of us do get frequent breaks - as you said,
freezing our asses off, rain, floods, and similar such Acts of God, oops,
excuse me, let's make that Acts of Nature.

I can only suggest that you spend some time away from that cycling
paradise called Santa Cruz and join all of us in the real world in places
with names like Worthington, Rock Island County, Chicago, Toronto, etc.
You've earned and well deserve this kind of a break.

Skip, I used to go out almost everyday all winter for a ride lasting up to
an hour or so, but I have given up on that this year for the first time in
over 20 years. I am starting to feel my age now and I cannot get in any
quality cycling when the temperature is much below 30 degrees. I am just too
cold all the time.

I simply can't imagine what it must be like to live in a region of the
country where it is possible to cycle all year long. I like to look at
weather maps of the country and I note that South Florida has the most
consistently ideal temperature for cycling of anywhere in the winter. My
God, it can be 80 degrees there and I am almost literally freezing to death
here in wonderful Minnesota.

My advice to young people is to find a climate that you can live in without
having to bundle up like an Eskimo. And you have got to make your move when
you are fairly young too. As you get older you find yourself trapped by one
thing or another. I would like to be able to hibernate like a bear and then
just wake up to flowers and the birds singing in the trees. Instead, I look
out my window and all is gloom and doom. When I look down my street I see a
funeral parlor at the end of it and I wonder how long it is going to be
before I check out with congestive heart failure from lack of activity.

Frankly, cycling in the winter is just too miserable. I think maybe what I
am going to have to do to get through these winter doldrums is to take up
walking for an hour every day. I think you have to do it for the sake of
your heart if for no other reason. Most elderly folks will expire of
congestive heart failure provided nothing else gets them first. Enuf of
these cheerful thoughts!

--
Best Regards,

Ed Dolan - Minnesota

Edward Dolan said:

...
Skip, I used to go out almost everyday all winter for a ride lasting up to
an hour or so, but I have given up on that this year for the first time in
over 20 years. I am starting to feel my age now and I cannot get in any
quality cycling when the temperature is much below 30 degrees. I am just too
cold all the time.

Sell off some of your rental property and buy one of these:
<http://www.leitra.dk/>. If a person is protected from the wind, even
moderate physical activity will produce sufficient body heat for comfort
in quite cold temperatures (such as the normal daytime winter lows in
southern Minnesota).

If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra myself.

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I simply can't imagine what it must be like to live in a region of the
country where it is possible to cycle all year long. I like to look at
weather maps of the country and I note that South Florida has the most
consistently ideal temperature for cycling of anywhere in the winter. My
God, it can be 80 degrees there and I am almost literally freezing to death
here in wonderful Minnesota.

From the reports I have heard, the "autoforms" [1] in southern Florida
make cycling much less pleasant than it would be otherwise. The high
humidity in Florida would make cycling unpleasant much of the year.

[1] Yet another G. Danielism.

--
Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

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If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra myself.

Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a
pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to get back
in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it has been
in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good - the timing
is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't ride and go
for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a place with the
cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes me shiver just to
say the words.

$$$kip

skip said:

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If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra myself.

Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a
pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to get back
in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it has been
in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good - the timing
is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't ride and go
for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a place with the
cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes me shiver just to
say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a
less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage
refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US
falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

Tom Sherman said:

skip said:

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If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra

myself.

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Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a

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pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to

get back

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in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it

has been

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in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good -

the timing

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is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't ride

and go

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for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a place

with the

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cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes me shiver

just to

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say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over

the

Quoted message said:

last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds

a

Quoted message said:

less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage

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refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC

ever

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decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to

sod

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off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I

could

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then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US

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falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there

are

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negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

That's the problem with most Democrates and Tom Sherman in particular,
they have put themselfs in a place where anything good for the U.S. is
bad for them and if it's bad for the U.S. it's good for them. Seems
like a hell of a way to act!
Freddy

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skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra myself.

Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a
pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to get
back in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it
has been in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good -
the timing is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't
ride and go for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a
place with the cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes
me shiver just to say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in interest
rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a less
attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the housing
bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage refinancing.
This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment. Planning
to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US falling for
over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral success.
Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

The usual data dump. Not enough time to go through it bit by bit the A.M.

A couple of quick observations. You really think we invade countries to
steal their oil? Do the math. Oil can be bought on the open market for a
hell of a lot less.

I did take a quick glance at U.S. real wages to see if they had been
falling, as you claim, for the past three decades. Of course they rise and
fall year to year, so I am not going to take the time to do the math. I am
glad to report the following (especially because I know you will hate it).
During the W years real wages - the average weekly earnings for all private
non farm workers in constant 1982 dollars are as follows:

2001 - $275.38
2002 - $278.91
2003 - $279.94

source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics

It comes a no surprise to hear you are hoping for an American economic
decline, environmental destruction, etc. You have been anti-American for as
long as I can remember. Hoping for bad outcomes for America and Americans
seems to be your mind set.

Ed needs to give you a good talking to.

$$$$$$kip

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skip said:

It comes a no surprise to hear you are hoping for an American economic
decline, environmental destruction, etc. You have been anti-American for
as long as I can remember. Hoping for bad outcomes for America and
Americans seems to be your mind set.

What i thought was funny is that Al Gore stated explicitly in his book
that he wanted gasoline to be far more expensive, for economic and
environmental reasons, and W's people made a lot of hay with that. And look
where it got us.

I don't really ally myself with any parties. I'd settle for a fiscal
conservative in the whitehouse, but I'd also vote for a real live liberal.
It's a damn shame that the democratic party has chased them all away.

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Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a
less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage
refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US
falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

So it appears you won't make any large purchases in the near future eh?

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Tom "The sky is falling!" Sherman

skip said:

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skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra myself.
>
>Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
>Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.
>

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a
pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to get
back in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it
has been in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good -
the timing is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't
ride and go for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a
place with the cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes
me shiver just to say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in interest
rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a less
attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the housing
bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage refinancing.
This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment. Planning
to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US falling for
over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral success.
Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

The usual data dump. Not enough time to go through it bit by bit the A.M.

A couple of quick observations. You really think we invade countries to
steal their oil? Do the math. Oil can be bought on the open market for a
hell of a lot less.

I did take a quick glance at U.S. real wages to see if they had been
falling, as you claim, for the past three decades. Of course they rise and
fall year to year, so I am not going to take the time to do the math. I am
glad to report the following (especially because I know you will hate it).
During the W years real wages - the average weekly earnings for all private
non farm workers in constant 1982 dollars are as follows:

2001 - $275.38
2002 - $278.91
2003 - $279.94

source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics

It comes a no surprise to hear you are hoping for an American economic
decline, environmental destruction, etc. You have been anti-American for as
long as I can remember. Hoping for bad outcomes for America and Americans
seems to be your mind set....

The real wage statistic is skewed by the huge increases in compensation
for a very small percentage of workers. The bottom 90+% is not benefiting.

Skip is wrong about my motives. I have concluded through much
observation that the only way people really learn is through adversity.
It will take real negative consequences for society to gain the
willingness to sacrifice in the short term for long term benefit. If we
wait too long, the negative consequences will be irreversible.

Remember, pride goes before the fall. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman –

freddy said:

Tom Sherman said:

skip said:

"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra

myself.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
>Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.
>

What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a

Quoted message said:

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pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to

get back

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in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it

has been

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in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look good -

the timing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock you don't ride

and go

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for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the thing for a place

with the

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Quoted message said:

cold sounding name of Rock Island County Illinois. Makes me shiver

just to

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Quoted message said:

say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over

the

Quoted message said:

last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds

a

Quoted message said:

less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage

Quoted message said:

refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC

ever

Quoted message said:

decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to

sod

Quoted message said:

off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I

could

Quoted message said:

then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US

Quoted message said:

falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there

are

Quoted message said:

negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

That's the problem with most Democrates and Tom Sherman in particular,
they have put themselfs in a place where anything good for the U.S. is
bad for them and if it's bad for the U.S. it's good for them. Seems
like a hell of a way to act!

Please explain the logic that leads to the conclusions you stated above,
Mr. Markham.

--
Tom Sherman - [ ]

Mark Leuck said:

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Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a
less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage
refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US
falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

So it appears you won't make any large purchases in the near future eh?

It would take only a small downturn in the commercial, industrial,
and/or governmental sectors to put me out of work (supply and demand),
so I am certainly not going to burden myself down with any
non-deferrable debt, or a house I would have to sell if I needed to move
to find new employment. I am also considering reducing my possessions to
the point where everything would fit into a small rental storage locker
(I would not need to get rid of much to achieve this) and a used cargo
van just large enough to sleep in.

--
Tom Sherman - [ ]

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skip said:

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skip wrote:

>"Tom Sherman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>If the economic outlook were better, I would likely buy a Leitra
>>myself.
>>
>>Tom Sherman - Rock Island County Illinois
>>Tetrahedral carbon lattices are not forever.
>>
>
>
>What are you talking about? The economic outlook is great! What a
>pessimist you are. If you are waiting around for the Democrats to get
>back in office you may be waiting forever. Unemployment is as low as it
>has been in like thirty years or so - the economic indicators look
>good - the timing is perfect to sell off some of the recumbent stock
>you don't ride and go for the Leitra. It would seem to be just the
>thing for a place with the cold sounding name of Rock Island County
>Illinois. Makes me shiver just to say the words.

Really? This fiscal irresponsibility of the federal government over the
last 4 years (with more to come) will lead to a long term rise in
interest rates (as foreign banks and investors find US Treasury bonds a
less attractive investment). Rising interest rates will collapse the
housing bubble, and lead to a decrease in spending funded by mortgage
refinancing. This in itself will lead to a recession.

This does not consider what will happen to the US economy if OPEC ever
decides to sell oil for Euros instead of dollars (an event ever more
likely as the Cheney Administration tells the rest of the world to sod
off). The US can not invade every oil exporting country, after all.

I may sell some bikes just to reduce the storage space I need - I could
then move from a 1-beedroom apartment to an efficiency apartment.
Planning to be frugal seems prudent, in light of real wages in the US
falling for over three decades now.

I am actually looking forward to economic decline, environmental
destruction, etc. People only learn from their mistakes when there are
negative consequences. This is the upside to Republican electoral
success. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman

The usual data dump. Not enough time to go through it bit by bit the
A.M.

A couple of quick observations. You really think we invade countries to
steal their oil? Do the math. Oil can be bought on the open market for
a hell of a lot less.

I did take a quick glance at U.S. real wages to see if they had been
falling, as you claim, for the past three decades. Of course they rise
and fall year to year, so I am not going to take the time to do the math.
I am glad to report the following (especially because I know you will
hate it). During the W years real wages - the average weekly earnings for
all private non farm workers in constant 1982 dollars are as follows:

2001 - $275.38
2002 - $278.91
2003 - $279.94

source: US Bureau of Labor Statistics

It comes a no surprise to hear you are hoping for an American economic
decline, environmental destruction, etc. You have been anti-American for
as long as I can remember. Hoping for bad outcomes for America and
Americans seems to be your mind set....

The real wage statistic is skewed by the huge increases in compensation
for a very small percentage of workers. The bottom 90+% is not benefiting.

Then it would seem to follow that a decrease in the real wage statistic
would be skewed by hugh decreases in compensation for a very small
percentage of workers. The bottom 90+% will benefit.

Tom's Alice in Wonderland economic philosophy -what's good is bad and what's
bad is good.

Quoted message said:

Skip is wrong about my motives. I have concluded through much observation
that the only way people really learn is through adversity. It will take
real negative consequences for society to gain the willingness to
sacrifice in the short term for long term benefit. If we wait too long,
the negative consequences will be irreversible.

Remember, pride goes before the fall. Enjoy!

--
Tom Sherman –

So all your anti-American blather, delight in bad outcomes for America, and
support to those who would kill us and our allies has been for the purpose
of saving us from ourselves?

With saviors like this we don't need enemies.

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