child trailer

We have a burley solo ourselves, but the reviews on epinions
(www.epinions.com) are excellent for the CTS. I recommend you read them
for yourself.

I personally think the burley is kind of a pain to fold/unfold.
Fortunately, we only have to do it when putting it in the car.

But the kid is pretty happy in the trailer. He naps, he snacks, he
watches the scenery. We've gone on pretty long rides with him (35+
miles), but make sure we stop frequently. We've seen every playground
in town....

The only issue is his helmet. It slides down over his eyes, which then
makes him cranky. I think the helmet is pointless in the trailer, but
my wife insists on it.

Rich

Matt said:

Burley seems to be the main internationally available trailer
manufacturer getting mentioned.
There seems to be very little mention of "Chariot carriers" child
trailers (the CTS range) and nothing about the zwei-plus-zwei offering
(Kiddy Van in particular). These are the main ones my local cycle shop
offers on order. Is anyone out there using these who could comment on
their quality/value ?
Of particular interest is speed of folding/unfolding, as we will need
to do this every time we use the trailer (it will sleep in the narrow
hallway with the bike!)
Cheers,
Matt

Rich said:

...
The only issue is his helmet. It slides down over his eyes, which

then

Quoted message said:

makes him cranky. I think the helmet is pointless in the trailer,

but

Quoted message said:

my wife insists on it.

In my experience the reason our kid's helmets slide forward over their
eyes is that they sit with their back against a fabric seat that
continues straight up above their shoulders. Helmets commonly extend
rearward beyond the plane of their back so the back of the seat pushes
forward on the helmet.

What we did to address this was to place a small cushion behind the
child's back so that there was space between the helmet and back of the
seat. It would be better if this cushion were made integral with the
seat as potentially the loose cushion could slide out from behind their
back and then the harness would be loose.
Anyone at Burley or Trek listening?

Bill Putnam

I dunno about the other ones, I've been using a burley d'lite for our
two kids for several years now. it folds rapidly and has held up very
well.

I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are
not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably
off the seatback, etc.

Kids helmets are great for protecting against falling off and smacking
on the ground or curb, but seem pointless inside a trailer. We ALWAYS
wear them when riding our "big bikes" though.

botfood said:

I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are
not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably
off the seatback, etc.

Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it
wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only
two, so he doesn't ride on a bike.

Rich

Rich said:

Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it
wouldn't do that.

Great mental image.

"Hold still for daddy, I've got to take off just a little more"

ROFL

😄

Or did you take it off first? :/

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Quoted message said:

I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are
not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably
off the seatback, etc.

Quoted message said:

Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it
wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only
two, so he doesn't ride on a bike.

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

you know? said:

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike,
you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the
trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one
yourself while you're towing the trailer.

I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to
wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my
helmet.

"Zippy the Pinhead" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike,
you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the
trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one
yourself while you're towing the trailer.

I never had the slightest problem with my kids. As a matter of fact, I have
a cherished snapshot of my (then) 2 year old (now 11) daughter sleeping in
her new helmet -- she wouldn't take it off.

Just zis Guy said:

On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:01:18 -0700, Rich <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

Quoted message said:

I also have come to the conclusion that helmets INSIDE the Burley are
not a great idea... seems to push the kids heads forward uncomfortably
off the seatback, etc.

Quoted message said:

Yea. I cut the back of my kids helmet off using a bandsaw just so it
wouldn't do that. It's now only about 1" thick in the back. He's only
two, so he doesn't ride on a bike.

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

For the same reason one should wear a helmet while travelling in a motor
vehicle. 😉

--
Tom Sherman

Matt said:

Burley seems to be the main internationally available trailer
manufacturer getting mentioned.
There seems to be very little mention of "Chariot carriers" child
trailers (the CTS range) and nothing about the zwei-plus-zwei offering
(Kiddy Van in particular). These are the main ones my local cycle shop
offers on order. Is anyone out there using these who could comment on
their quality/value ?
Of particular interest is speed of folding/unfolding, as we will need
to do this every time we use the trailer (it will sleep in the narrow
hallway with the bike!)
Cheers,
Matt

Chariots Cougar family is the best out there. Suspension. The top three

Chariot lines are convertable between trailer/stroller/jogger/ski trailer/backpack.

Their Kid Z Roo line is also impressive-converts between modes without any assembly.

The Trek trailers are made by Chariot.

begin quoting Zippy the Pinhead <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

you know? said:

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to
wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my
helmet.

That seems most unlikely, since Guy wears one himself.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

Just zis Guy said:

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

Guy
--

On our first outing with both kids in the trailer (sans helmets), they
bonked their heads together on the first piece of "rough" terrain.
Since then, helmets have been required.

Even with just one child, I can imagine a head bonking a roll-bar if we
were to have a rollover. The probabilities of it happening are low, but
a little extra protection can't hurt. Even with the helmets, the kids
still love to ride in the trailer. My daughter is usually chanting,
"Faster, Daddy, Faster!" And you thought only the extra weight made for
a better workout....

-Buck

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you
privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us
all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft
product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of
usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like
it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post
things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who
are losing out.

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Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact
you privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem,
let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a
lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After
all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used
product, even if you don't like it, or think we should all be using
some other newsreader. If you post things that a large number of
people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing out.

I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather
suddenly.

Bill "can you even INJECT penicillin in a mouse?" S.

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE.

No, they're not. OE wrongly supposes that they are attachments.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact
you privately, but the mail bounced.

It's only been deferred with a 4xx response here. Unfortunate that that is
not reported correctly back to you; but it should arrive in due course.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem,
let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a
lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same.

The vast majority of OE users post mangled articles and don't care about
changing that. Recently this [censored] me off enough that I am returning the
compliment; the difference being that my articles are correctly formed but
their crappy newsreader can't deal with it.

It's unfortunate for the small minority who do make the effort, but they
_are_ a small minority.

Quoted message said:

I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather
suddenly.

Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It started
suddenly because I decided to do it.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!

Claire Petersky composed the following ...

Quoted message said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you
privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let
us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy
Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the
point of usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if
you don't like it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader.
If you post things that a large number of people can't read, then it's
not just us who are losing out.

He's just exploiting a difference in the way OE reads articles, in a sort of
"I'm better than you 'cos I don't use OE" way.

If one starts a message with the word begin and two spaces, OE 'sees' it as
an attachment. Many people do this on Usenet to 'pretend' that they have a
virus, again in a holier than thou attitude that makes them look really
cool, hip and trendy in a stupid sort of way.

--
The Caretaker.

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you
privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us
all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft
product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of
usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like
it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post
things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who
are losing out.

Dear Claire,

Browsing David's posts (including his reply to what you
point out in this thread) suggests that blank posts and
bounced emails convey his normal content and attitude quite
accurately.

So let's not be hasty.

Give David's blank posts another month or two, and see if
they aren't more efficient than his old style.

After all, we already know what David thinks of himself and
what he thinks of everyone else--and those are the main
points of his typical post.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather
suddenly.

Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It
started suddenly because I decided to do it.

Well pardon me, Mister Rude. You obviously DO have a bug -- just up your
ass instead of in your computer.

Keep posting that way. No great loss.
--
"Sorry the world just does not work by your white penis ass."
-- Pungent Cloud

The Caretaker ... said:

Claire Petersky composed the following ...

Quoted message said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As
a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to
contact you privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this
problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for
using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the
same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a
widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should
all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large
number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing
out.

He's just exploiting a difference in the way OE reads articles, in a
sort of "I'm better than you 'cos I don't use OE" way.

If one starts a message with the word begin and two spaces, OE 'sees'
it as an attachment. Many people do this on Usenet to 'pretend' that
they have a virus, again in a holier than thou attitude that makes
them look really cool, hip and trendy in a stupid sort of way.

He succeeded.
--
BS (no, really)