child trailer

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As
a result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to
contact you privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this
problem, let us all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for
using a lousy Microsoft product. I hope your attitude is not the
same. After all, the point of usenet is communication. OE is a
widely-used product, even if you don't like it, or think we should
all be using some other newsreader. If you post things that a large
number of people can't read, then it's not just us who are losing
out.

David's messages work just fine here under Emacs/Gnus and under
MT-NewsWatcher- so do yours, for that matter. The problem isn't his
messages, I suspect, but something about OE. Since, as you note, OE
is a commonly used application and we have not had any complaints like
yours previously in this newsgroup, I can only suppose that the
problem lies with your particular installation of OE. Perhaps there
is some useful setting in OE that can be changed to make your
newsreading experience easier? I've never used OE so I have no
specific idea what setting might be changed, unfortunately (actually,
I've never used Windows for more than a few minutes).

David Damerell said:

quoting Bill Sornson <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE.

No, they're not. OE wrongly supposes that they are attachments.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

The vast majority of OE users post mangled articles and don't care
about changing that. Recently this [censored] me off enough that I am
returning the compliment; the difference being that my articles are
correctly formed but their crappy newsreader can't deal with it.

It's unfortunate for the small minority who do make the effort, but
they _are_ a small minority.

Quoted message said:

I had assumed he has a virus or worm, as this seemed to start rather
suddenly.

Don't be absurd. I don't use Windows for anything except games. It
started suddenly because I decided to do it.

Well, then, Claire, I stand corrected! David, I am curious about what
it is that you did, since it is transparent to my newsreaders.

Tim Writes......
Since, as you note, OE is a commonly used application and we have not
had any complaints likeours previously in this newsgroup, I can only
suppose that the problem lies with your particular installation of OE.
Perhaps there is some useful setting in OE that can be changed to make
your newsreading experience easier?

As Maggie says.....HUH?????

Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:26:14 -0600, <[email hidden]>,

Tim McNamara said:

I've never used OE so I have no
specific idea what setting might be changed, unfortunately (actually,
I've never used Windows for more than a few minutes).

I'm a pleb who has never used anything but Windows. Though, I've not
permitted any Microsoft application web access since ~1996.

I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it
automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part binaries
better than anything else for Windows.
--
zk

David
I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you.
Computers & the internet baffle me.
What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell
check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm
familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because
of the $, rather I just don’t want to be bothered paying another bill
every month.
Happy Holidays, John

Quoted message said:

David
I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you.
Computers & the internet baffle me.
What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell
check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm
familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because
of the $, rather I just don�t want to be bothered paying another bill
every month.
Happy Holidays, John

Have you tried thunderbird? www.mozilla.org (free, available virtually
for any platform)
I like it a lot, could be worth a try. I never used the spell checker,
so I cannot judge on that.

Francesco

Zoot Katz said:

Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:26:14 -0600, <[email hidden]>,

Tim McNamara said:

I've never used OE so I have no specific idea what setting might be
changed, unfortunately (actually, I've never used Windows for more
than a few minutes).

I'm a pleb who has never used anything but Windows. Though, I've not
permitted any Microsoft application web access since ~1996.

I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it
automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part
binaries better than anything else for Windows.

I've of course never used Forte Agent, never having used Windows more
than momentarily. I have seen several people speak very highly of it,
however.

Tim McNamara said:

Zoot Katz said:

I settled on Forte Agent for Usenet when it was still in beta as it
automated downloading, concatenating and decoding multi-part
binaries better than anything else for Windows.

I've of course never used Forte Agent, never having used Windows more
than momentarily. I have seen several people speak very highly of it,
however.

Works fine under Wine.

Pat

Email address works as is.

On 21 Dec 2004 13:20:41 -0800, [email hidden]

Quoted message said:

David
I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you.
Computers & the internet baffle me.
What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell
check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm
familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because
of the $, rather I just don? want to be bothered paying another bill
every month.
Happy Holidays, John

Dear John,

Here's a site about newsreaders, with links to various
kinds:

http://www.newsreaders.com/

You might try Forte Free Agent:

http://www.forteinc.com/agent/download.php

The newsreader is free, with added features for a price.

The server that you use Forte to connect to may be another
matter. Unlike Google Groups, where the newsreader and news
server are integrated, individual newsreaders usually expect
you to configure them to connect to a news server.

Some ISP's include a news server for free, like Comcast. I
don't know if your Yahoo account offers a news server, but
there are some free news servers available.

This link might help you with news servers:

http://www.newsrover.com/service.htm

Carl Fogel

begin quoting Tim McNamara <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Well, then, Claire, I stand corrected! David, I am curious about what
it is that you did, since it is transparent to my newsreaders.

OE interprets any line beginning;

begin<space><space>

as starting an attachment, because that's how uuencoded attachments start.
This is symptomatic of the more general problem that MSIE (which is
hopelessly intertwined with MSOE) tries to infer the type of a document
from the contents, not from the headers (eg, the Content-Type: header of
an HTTP response) and an absurdly wide idea of what might be uuencoded.

It doesn't affect any other newsreader since no-one else has been daft
enough to implement such a misfeature; and as you will appreciate it's
unequivocally true that there is nothing wrong with my articles per se.
--
David Damerell <[email hidden]> flcl?

David Damerell wrote (and I had to use someone else's thoughtfully-provided
trick to unearth):

OE interprets any line beginning;

begin<space><space>

as starting an attachment, because that's how uuencoded attachments start.
This is symptomatic of the more general problem that MSIE (which is
hopelessly intertwined with MSOE) tries to infer the type of a document
from the contents, not from the headers (eg, the Content-Type: header of
an HTTP response) and an absurdly wide idea of what might be uuencoded.

It doesn't affect any other newsreader since no-one else has been daft
enough to implement such a misfeature; and as you will appreciate it's
unequivocally true that there is nothing wrong with my articles per se.

Neil Brooks Replies:

So, David . . . I take it that you /are/ either intentionally inserting the
"begin<space><space>" text into your posts, or at least are doing /nothing/
to remove them once programmatically inserted by your newsreader software?

On 22 Dec 2004 11:58:51 +0000 (GMT), David Damerell
<[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

. . . as you will appreciate it's
unequivocally true that there is nothing wrong with my articles per se.

Dear David,

Aha! You write flawless articles, while the rest of us
merely post and reply.

Where else can we find perfection married to such modesty?

Unequivocally Awed,

Carl Fogel

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you
privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us
all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft
product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of
usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like
it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post
things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who
are losing out.

Having just read a number of responses to this article, let me gently
suggest that using OE is not a good idea for a number of reasons, not
least of which is potential virus vulnerability.

Has anyone else noticed that over the past couple of years the most
damaging viruses have exploited security deficiencies in MS products?
For this reason (and a bit of anti-MS prejudice) I use Pegasus Mail
(email), Firefox (browser), and Agent (newsreader); even though I run
Windows XP.

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

John Everett said:

Claire Petersky said:

Your messages are all as attachments, and can't be read under OE. As a
result, you appear to be posting blank messages. I tried to contact you
privately, but the mail bounced.

Someone else, on a different newsgroup, when alerted to this problem, let us
all know that he felt like it was our tough luck for using a lousy Microsoft
product. I hope your attitude is not the same. After all, the point of
usenet is communication. OE is a widely-used product, even if you don't like
it, or think we should all be using some other newsreader. If you post
things that a large number of people can't read, then it's not just us who
are losing out.

Having just read a number of responses to this article, let me gently
suggest that using OE is not a good idea for a number of reasons, not
least of which is potential virus vulnerability.

Has anyone else noticed that over the past couple of years the most
damaging viruses have exploited security deficiencies in MS products?
For this reason (and a bit of anti-MS prejudice) I use Pegasus Mail
(email), Firefox (browser), and Agent (newsreader); even though I run
Windows XP.

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

Dear John,

Come to think of it, what should we call someone who finds a
flaw in a program that he dislikes and then deliberately
booby-traps his posts just to irritate other users and waste
their time?

That is, how does David differ from a virus writer? True,
he's trivial, but the attitude is strikingly similar, isn't
it?

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

David
I'm not writing this to argue or contradict you.
Computers & the internet baffle me.
What newsreader (& sender. I desperately need one w/ a good spell
check) should I be using? I certainly don't like Google, but I'm
familiar w/ it. I would prefer to not pay for one not so much because
of the $, rather I just don? want to be bothered paying another bill
every month.

For years I used WinVN, a free newsreader that was supported by
volunteers from NASA (IIRC). I ran it on my first Windows 95 system
and found it ever so much more user friendly than rn (remember rn?).

When I got a system that ran Windows XP I discovered that WinVN
wouldn't run under XP, so I "upgraded" to Agent. Somewhere over the
past couple of years I seem to recall hearing that there was now an XP
compatible version of WinVN, so I just did some googling.

A guy by the name of Mark Spankus has done some work on WinVN, and you
can find a free downloadable version at:
http://my.execpc.com/~mspankus/

I can't vouch for it's reliability, and can't recall if it had a spell
checker; but as I do recall it was pretty user friendly and FREE.

jeverett3<AT>earthlink<DOT>net http://home.earthlink.net/~jeverett3

Quoted message said:

Where else can we find perfection married to such modesty?

A JB wheelset?

A ZK political rant?

A Jim Smith medical opinion?

A Jim Beam metallurgical missive?

A BP Houghton drool-cup?

A Bill Baka fairy tale?

OK, I'm done...

BS

On Sat, 18 Dec 2004 11:18:41 -0600, Zippy the Pinhead
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Thge mind boggles. Why would you need a helmet inside a stable
two-wheel trailer in the first place?

Quoted message said:

Simple. If you want your kid to wear a helmet when s/he rides a bike,
you start getting the kid used to wearing a helmet when s/he rides the
trailer. And, of course, you model such behavior by wearing one
yourself while you're towing the trailer.

And in the car, of course, since that's where the majority of serious
head injuries occur.

Quoted message said:

I know what your answer will be. I'm not trying to influence YOU to
wear a helmet, but you will proselytize me to repent and cast away my
helmet.

An argument which is flawed at its outset. Click the link in the
..sig.

Guy
--
May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after posting.
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk

85% of helmet statistics are made up, 69% of them at CHS, Puget Sound

Bill Sornson said:

Quoted message said:

Where else can we find perfection married to such modesty?

A JB wheelset?

A ZK political rant?

A Jim Smith medical opinion?

A Jim Beam metallurgical missive?

A BP Houghton drool-cup?

A Bill Baka fairy tale?

OK, I'm done...

BS

Dear Bill,

While some of us here on rec.bicycles.tech have handsomely
developed egos (mine requires its own seat when I fly, just
like a cello), few of us can hope to match David's
habitually lavish self-estimates.

This latest gem:

"as you will appreciate it's unequivocally true that there
is nothing wrong with my articles per se."

.. . . joins earlier declarations like:

"I would never perpetrate such an elementary fallacy."

.. . . and:

"I do not make mistakes of that kind."

.. . . and so on.

Sometimes I wonder if David is actually aware of himself and
trying to entertain us with his contortions as he pats
himself on the back, but he really does seem to be deadly
serious.

Which is just as entertaining.

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

John Everett said:

Having just read a number of responses to this article, let me
gently suggest that using OE is not a good idea for a number of
reasons, not least of which is potential virus vulnerability.

Has anyone else noticed that over the past couple of years the most
damaging viruses have exploited security deficiencies in MS
products? For this reason (and a bit of anti-MS prejudice) I use
Pegasus Mail (email), Firefox (browser), and Agent (newsreader);
even though I run Windows XP.

There is no way to say this without sounding snide, and I hope that I
do not actually mean to be snide when I say: that's why I use an
operating system other than Windows, have never owned a Windows
computer and never will. Windows is not an operating system, it is a
security risk. Their server software is similarly a security risk.
The loss of productivity to flaws in Microsoft products amounts to
millions of dollars per year while IT guys try to get the danged
things running again.

Quoted message said:

Come to think of it, what should we call someone who finds a flaw in
a program that he dislikes and then deliberately booby-traps his
posts just to irritate other users and waste their time?

That is, how does David differ from a virus writer? True, he's
trivial, but the attitude is strikingly similar, isn't it?

No, a virus writer is doing something damaging to other people's
computers. David's exploitation of one of OE's many flaws does not
carry the same malicious intent. Whether it is appropriate or not is
a discussion I don't care to get into.

Tim McNamara said:

[email hidden] writes:

[snip]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Come to think of it, what should we call someone who finds a flaw in
a program that he dislikes and then deliberately booby-traps his
posts just to irritate other users and waste their time?

That is, how does David differ from a virus writer? True, he's
trivial, but the attitude is strikingly similar, isn't it?

No, a virus writer is doing something damaging to other people's
computers. David's exploitation of one of OE's many flaws does not
carry the same malicious intent. Whether it is appropriate or not is
a discussion I don't care to get into.

Dear Tim,

Hmmm . . . I think that your damage-distinction is promising
at first, but then there are plenty of well-meant programs
that damage computers through simple bugs.

And there are plenty of viruses that don't actually do much,
apart from displaying silly messages, producing email, and
wasting time.

Wouldn't "malice" be a fair description of David's intent?
He's deliberately adding a booby-trap to his posts to goof
up a popular program that he dislikes, but doesn't use--and
then boasting about it in reply to the nice people who
naturally thought that he was unware that his posts weren't
working.

Carl Fogel