Fugawi maps trial version

Neil Pugh said:

This months edition of PC Plus (issue 223) has a trial version of
Fugawi digital maps Port Talbot/Swansea area on its cover DVD. It's
probably downloadable from the internet somewhere, but at 38 MB I'd
think twice on my dial-up connection!

Thanks for the heads up, but I already have the Swansea area from the
Memory Map demo. For some reason the Swansea/Neath area seems to be
quite popular as a sample area, probably because it contains many
different map features in a small area, such as urban, farmland,
mountains, coast, cliffs, beach, bog, major roads and motorway, also
docks, TV and radio masts, cycle networks etc.).

My gif conversion of the Swansea/Neath area is 11.4 meg, but MM's
version is 13.6 meg for some reason. Add to that the aerial photography
and you have 28.5 meg, plus another 5 meg or so for the software and you
have 33 meg. So where does the other 5 meg come from?

So let me see, we have Anquet, MM, Tracklogs and Fugawi, is that it?
Any more? I wonder how they rank in the general consciousness. For me
it's as listed in the previous sentence. Only had experience of the
first two, but Tracklogs may well see some custom from me with their 25k
mapping.

Paul
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So let me see, we have Anquet, MM, Tracklogs and Fugawi, is that it?
Any more? I wonder how they rank in the general consciousness. For me
it's as listed in the previous sentence. Only had experience of the
first two, but Tracklogs may well see some custom from me with their 25k
mapping.

I suspect that MM probably ranks first by usage/acquisition and publicity.
Certainly seem to be more MM outlets and ads than anyone else. Personally, I
like Anquet - I don't think MM have yet matched the "free-to-fly" feeling.
Anquet seemed to be behind the curve on GPS features but I believe they've
now caught up. I can't think of anything I'd like to add in that area.

druidh

druidh said:

I suspect that MM probably ranks first by usage/acquisition and
publicity. Certainly seem to be more MM outlets and ads than anyone
else. Personally, I like Anquet - I don't think MM have yet matched
the "free-to-fly" feeling. Anquet seemed to be behind the curve on
GPS features but I believe they've now caught up. I can't think of
anything I'd like to add in that area.

How about being able to choose actual GPS waypoint icons for the GPS you
have connected? And being able to send those icons to the GPS? How
about being able to give the waypoints the names that you want? How
about being able to edit the waypoint description fields?

Paul
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

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Quoted message said:

druidh said:

I suspect that MM probably ranks first by usage/acquisition and
publicity. Certainly seem to be more MM outlets and ads than anyone
else. Personally, I like Anquet - I don't think MM have yet matched
the "free-to-fly" feeling. Anquet seemed to be behind the curve on
GPS features but I believe they've now caught up. I can't think of
anything I'd like to add in that area.

How about being able to choose actual GPS waypoint icons for the GPS you
have connected?

Easy enough - I've made a set of icons which I've loaded into Anquet. I can
select any of these as I desire.

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And being able to send those icons to the GPS?

That would be a "nice to have" feature, though not critical (IMHO). When
I've wanted to do this (say to display Geocache sites), I've used EasyGPS to
edit the file.

Quoted message said:

How about being able to give the waypoints the names that you want?

Can do that already - or am I misunderstanding you?

Quoted message said:

How about being able to edit the waypoint description fields?

Not a requirement for me - as my Geko doesn't have the ability to show these
anyway.

druidh

druidh said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to choose actual GPS waypoint icons for the GPS
you have connected?

Quoted message said:

Easy enough - I've made a set of icons which I've loaded into Anquet.
I can select any of these as I desire.

Same as the GPS icons? Or just ones that roughly correspond? My 60CS
has loads of colour icons, haven't counted them all, probably 60 or more
at a rough guess. It would be nice if they provided proper GPS icon
support for specific models. Shouldn't be too difficult.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And being able to send those icons to the GPS?

Quoted message said:

That would be a "nice to have" feature, though not critical (IMHO).

Nice? Pretty compulsory for anything claiming to be "GPS software" IMO.
Proper GPS programs do this sort of thing as a default, that's why I
find it hard to accept a program like Anquet as "proper" GPS software.
I use lots of different icons for lots of different things, using the
same icon for everything is just plain daft.

Quoted message said:

When I've wanted to do this (say to display Geocache sites), I've
used EasyGPS to edit the file.

Yeah, but that's hardly ideal is it, having to use a separate program to
do what Anquet should do in the first place. That's why I don't even
bother using Anquet with my GPS, I do all that stuff with OziExplorer,
which does support all the new Garmin icons by the way, and USB
transfer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to give the waypoints the names that you want?

Quoted message said:

Can do that already - or am I misunderstanding you?

Not sure. Since I don't actually use Anquet with my GPS I may not be up
to date on exactly what it can do now. The last time I played with it,
it automatically named the waypoints in a sequential fashion, and only
sent the waypoints as part of routes. Can it now send named waypoints
to the GPS, and a varied collection, not part of routes?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to edit the waypoint description fields?

Quoted message said:

Not a requirement for me - as my Geko doesn't have the ability to
show these anyway.

Pity, most useful. I have a naming system which makes sense but which
is quite cryptic, I use the description field for the full name. For
example;

A86YW, Yr Wyddfa
915T, Tryfan
893PYG, Penygadair
752PPF, Pen Pumlumon Fawr
886PYF, Pen y Fan

Paul
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http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

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@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

Quoted message said:

druidh said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to choose actual GPS waypoint icons for the GPS
you have connected?

Quoted message said:

Easy enough - I've made a set of icons which I've loaded into Anquet.
I can select any of these as I desire.

Same as the GPS icons? Or just ones that roughly correspond? My 60CS
has loads of colour icons, haven't counted them all, probably 60 or more
at a rough guess. It would be nice if they provided proper GPS icon
support for specific models. Shouldn't be too difficult.

get a copy of g7towin - it has the icon sets for all the common gps
ranges. As it has the 76 & the new colour etrexs I bet one of them will
match yours.

I use it in parallel with tracklogs to set waypoints and it also
provides a nice way of keeping and archiving them.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And being able to send those icons to the GPS?

Quoted message said:

That would be a "nice to have" feature, though not critical (IMHO).

Nice? Pretty compulsory for anything claiming to be "GPS software" IMO.
Proper GPS programs do this sort of thing as a default, that's why I
find it hard to accept a program like Anquet as "proper" GPS software.
I use lots of different icons for lots of different things, using the
same icon for everything is just plain daft.

Quoted message said:

When I've wanted to do this (say to display Geocache sites), I've
used EasyGPS to edit the file.

Yeah, but that's hardly ideal is it, having to use a separate program to
do what Anquet should do in the first place. That's why I don't even
bother using Anquet with my GPS, I do all that stuff with OziExplorer,
which does support all the new Garmin icons by the way, and USB
transfer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to give the waypoints the names that you want?

Quoted message said:

Can do that already - or am I misunderstanding you?

Not sure. Since I don't actually use Anquet with my GPS I may not be up
to date on exactly what it can do now. The last time I played with it,
it automatically named the waypoints in a sequential fashion, and only
sent the waypoints as part of routes. Can it now send named waypoints
to the GPS, and a varied collection, not part of routes?

not sure about Anquet, but tracklogs can (I will get you to try it out
on day :-) ) You can tell it to send any within a chosen distance of
the route.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to edit the waypoint description fields?

I use g7towin again.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Not a requirement for me - as my Geko doesn't have the ability to
show these anyway.

Pity, most useful. I have a naming system which makes sense but which
is quite cryptic, I use the description field for the full name. For
example;

go on, explain it. I'm still trying to come up with one that works.
Each time I think I've got one I find a different scenario that breaks
it!
--
Darren

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Quoted message said:

druidh said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to choose actual GPS waypoint icons for the GPS
you have connected?

Quoted message said:

Easy enough - I've made a set of icons which I've loaded into Anquet.
I can select any of these as I desire.

Same as the GPS icons? Or just ones that roughly correspond? My 60CS
has loads of colour icons, haven't counted them all, probably 60 or more
at a rough guess. It would be nice if they provided proper GPS icon
support for specific models. Shouldn't be too difficult.

You can draw any icon (using the icon editor of your choice) and import it
into Anquet. I guess you can pretty much match any GPS icon this way. Takes
a bit of effort - I was actually going to dontae my set to Anquet to save
everyone else the bother!

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

And being able to send those icons to the GPS?

Quoted message said:

That would be a "nice to have" feature, though not critical (IMHO).

Nice? Pretty compulsory for anything claiming to be "GPS software" IMO.
Proper GPS programs do this sort of thing as a default, that's why I
find it hard to accept a program like Anquet as "proper" GPS software.
I use lots of different icons for lots of different things, using the
same icon for everything is just plain daft.

See below

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

When I've wanted to do this (say to display Geocache sites), I've
used EasyGPS to edit the file.

Yeah, but that's hardly ideal is it, having to use a separate program to
do what Anquet should do in the first place. That's why I don't even
bother using Anquet with my GPS, I do all that stuff with OziExplorer,
which does support all the new Garmin icons by the way, and USB
transfer.

Another software licence etc, (call me stingy!). I guess the diference is
that I bought Anquet pre-GPS. It was only when I was converted to Anquet
that I thought a GPS might be useful. Therefore, my expectations are more
than met by the combination I have,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to give the waypoints the names that you want?

Quoted message said:

Can do that already - or am I misunderstanding you?

Not sure. Since I don't actually use Anquet with my GPS I may not be up
to date on exactly what it can do now. The last time I played with it,
it automatically named the waypoints in a sequential fashion, and only
sent the waypoints as part of routes. Can it now send named waypoints
to the GPS, and a varied collection, not part of routes?

Yes to all of the above. Limited to 6 character names - but that's the same
as my Geko.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

How about being able to edit the waypoint description fields?

Quoted message said:

Not a requirement for me - as my Geko doesn't have the ability to
show these anyway.

Pity, most useful. I have a naming system which makes sense but which
is quite cryptic, I use the description field for the full name. For
example;

A86YW, Yr Wyddfa
915T, Tryfan
893PYG, Penygadair
752PPF, Pen Pumlumon Fawr
886PYF, Pen y Fan

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Darren G said:

get a copy of g7towin - it has the icon sets for all the common gps
ranges. As it has the 76 & the new colour etrexs I bet one of them
will match yours.

Is that free? Haven't tried that. Do I really need it? (I use Ozi)

Quoted message said:

not sure about Anquet, but tracklogs can (I will get you to try it out
on day :-) )

Don't worry, I'll probably buy a couple of maps off them soon, seems to
be the most economical way of getting the most important 25k areas.

Quoted message said:

go on, explain it. I'm still trying to come up with one that works.
Each time I think I've got one I find a different scenario that breaks
it!

Wasn't it obvious?

Okay then, all names are 6 letters. (I can do 10 now but I'll keep it
to 6 for compatability)

Summit names consist of 3 numbers and up to 3 letters. The 3 numbers
are the height of the summit in metres. Any summit less than 100m will
be preceded by a zero or two. Only two summits in Wales exceed 3
figures, so I switch to hexadecimal for that, thus Snowdon at 1086m
becomes A86. Ben Nevis at 1334m would be D34, so this system will work
for any summit in the UK. The 3 letters are simply an abbreviation of
the summit name. The full name is written in the description field.

056WHO - Worms Head (Outer Head) 56m
886PYF - Pen y Fan 886m
A86YW - Yr Wyddfa 1086m

Using the height of the summit at the beginning of the name has two
advantages. First, it means that on the GPS all summits are listed in
height order (lowest first unfortunately) and are listed before any
other type of item (useful since summits are the most important features
for hillwalkers). Second, when looking at the waypoint names on the map
screen, seeing the heights of the summits in the names gives a useful
three dimensional indication.

Regarding 3 letter abbreviations, some hill names result in the same
abbreviations, so there's some potential for confusion there, however,
so far I've yet to find any two abbreviations that have exactly the same
height. Of course, you can't have two waypoints with the same name in
the GPS.

All other waypoints use a similar naming system, but with a prefix.
This causes all waypoints of the same type to be listed together, and
again in ascending height order. Since the prefixes A to D are already
used in summit names, other feature prefixes begin with E (although in
Wales I can use anything from B onwards). The prefix is followed by the
height in metres (when practical) then a two letter abbreviation of the
name.

For example, lakes and reservoirs begin with L, so the Cray Reservoir
would be named L305CR. Llyn y Fan Fawr and Llyn y Fan Fach could easily
be confused with abbreviations alone (both LYFF, or LF, or FF since the
L is implicit), but the heights differentiate them. So one would be
L608FF, the other L505FF. The description field contains the full name
so that resolves any confusion.

Obviously lakes are a large area rather than a single point, but a
centrally placed waypoint still serves as a good navigational feature
and gives useful height information on the map screen.

Some features aren't named, such as many cairns, but can still be useful
for navigation. These would simply have a prefix and a height, e.g.
N535. A suffix abbreviation can easily be added for those that do have
names. Similarly trig points, e.g. T616.

There's more potential for name confusion in the above if two cairns
have exactly the same height, so a number can be added at the end after
a dash, e.g. N535-1, N535-2 and so on.

Why aren't cairns prefixed with a C? Well aside from the fact that Cs
aren't allowed due to the hexadecimal height prefixes, there are many
different features which start with the letter C, such as camp sites,
caves, cairns etc, so these have to be differentiated. I use N for
cairns, V for caves, can't remember what I use for camp sites offhand
(rarely ever use them), might be P, but car parks may be P, can't
remember offhand.

I do have a list of all feature prefixes, which I posted here once, but
I don't have it offhand. The thing is to use all the obvious letters
for the most important features first, then assign the remaining letters
to the other features in the best way possible. For example, I assigned
U to cols (another C word), since a U is a logical shape for a col.

I'll post the full list if I can find it, but the above should give you
some ideas.

Paul
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

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@wildwales.fsnet.co.uk says...

Quoted message said:

Darren G said:

get a copy of g7towin - it has the icon sets for all the common gps
ranges. As it has the 76 & the new colour etrexs I bet one of them
will match yours.

Is that free? Haven't tried that. Do I really need it? (I use Ozi)

Pretty sure it's free. I've never paid for mine and it doesn't seem to
want me to :-) Have a look for yourself

http://www.gpsinformation.org/ronh/g7towin.htm

Never got into Ozi so I'm not sure what it can do or if it will help.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

not sure about Anquet, but tracklogs can (I will get you to try it out
on day :-) )

Don't worry, I'll probably buy a couple of maps off them soon, seems to
be the most economical way of getting the most important 25k areas.

I will be in Brecon over next weekend possible with laptop & a copy if
you want to see it. Come to that, I'm pretty sure there is a 30 day
eval on www.tracklogs.co.uk.

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Wasn't it obvious?

Okay then, all names are 6 letters. (I can do 10 now but I'll keep it
to 6 for compatability)

Summit names consist of 3 numbers and up to 3 letters. The 3 numbers
are the height of the summit in metres. Any summit less than 100m will
be preceded by a zero or two. Only two summits in Wales exceed 3
figures, so I switch to hexadecimal for that, thus Snowdon at 1086m
becomes A86. Ben Nevis at 1334m would be D34, so this system will work
for any summit in the UK. The 3 letters are simply an abbreviation of
the summit name. The full name is written in the description field.

056WHO - Worms Head (Outer Head) 56m
886PYF - Pen y Fan 886m
A86YW - Yr Wyddfa 1086m

Using the height of the summit at the beginning of the name has two
advantages. First, it means that on the GPS all summits are listed in
height order (lowest first unfortunately) and are listed before any
other type of item (useful since summits are the most important features
for hillwalkers). Second, when looking at the waypoint names on the map
screen, seeing the heights of the summits in the names gives a useful
three dimensional indication.

Regarding 3 letter abbreviations, some hill names result in the same
abbreviations, so there's some potential for confusion there, however,
so far I've yet to find any two abbreviations that have exactly the same
height. Of course, you can't have two waypoints with the same name in
the GPS.

All other waypoints use a similar naming system, but with a prefix.

*Now* it's obvious. Thanks. I may 'borrow' some of that and integrate
it with my current approach.

--
Darren

druidh said:

You can draw any icon (using the icon editor of your choice) and
import it into Anquet.

Yeah, pain in the [censored]...

Quoted message said:

I guess you can pretty much match any GPS icon
this way. Takes a bit of effort - I was actually going to dontae my
set to Anquet to save everyone else the bother!

That would be much appreciated.

Quoted message said:

Another software licence etc, (call me stingy!).

Well I bought Ozi first, and I'm glad I've stuck with it, it was a good
choice. Best then, still best now IMO, although you have to import your
own maps.

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I guess the
diference is that I bought Anquet pre-GPS.

Ah, well I bought Anquet post-GPS, and when it was first released it had
no GPS support whatsoever, that was added as an afterthought. It was
originally designed as route-planning/map-printing software and it works
great like that. I never even expected to use my GPS with it when I
first bought it. That's why the current GPS support still isn't great,
it was never designed as GPS software, the GPS support is a fudge.

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It was only when I was
converted to Anquet that I thought a GPS might be useful. Therefore,
my expectations are more than met by the combination I have,

Well my expectations for GPS software are pretty simple, I expect it to
be able to do everthing that the GPS can, like use the same icons, edit
the name, description and other fields correctly, also to download all
of the data from the GPS, including date and time information in the
tracklogs for example. Anquet, MM and others are still a long way from
doing all of that as far as I'm aware. Ozi is *dedicated* GPS software,
Anquet and others are *mapping* software, with basic GPS support. Not
that there's anything wrong with that per se, but don't expect the
police to do the army's job.

Paul
--
http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Darren G said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

get a copy of g7towin

Quoted message said:

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Is that free? Haven't tried that. Do I really need it? (I use Ozi)

Pretty sure it's free. I've never paid for mine and it doesn't seem
to want me to :-) Have a look for yourself

http://www.gpsinformation.org/ronh/g7towin.htm

Okay

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Never got into Ozi so I'm not sure what it can do or if it will help.

Ozi is brilliant, does everything I want to do with GPS and have ever
thought of doing. Can't really think of anything I need that it doesn't
have.

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I will be in Brecon over next weekend possible with laptop & a copy if
you want to see it.

Really? It would be nice to meet up. Email me, perhaps we can arrange
a rendezvous.

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Come to that, I'm pretty sure there is a 30 day
eval on www.tracklogs.co.uk.

Probably not necessary, I'll probably buy some of their products anyway.
Having compared the various options they seem the cheapest for small
areas, e.g. Gower and the Beacons, £25 each. Gower is small, but with a
lot of interest packed into that small area, and with 5m contours to
boot. Besides, it's my "front garden" so I really need good mapping for
that. Brecon is good value being a double sided map, and is my "back
garden", so will be well worth it. The Black Mountains may be part of
the Beacons national park, but some (hi Richard) consider it to be a
separate area, and not really part of the Beacons at all. Geologically
it is (old red sandstone) and has certain common characteristics, but in
other ways it's somewhat different to the rest of the Beacons (very few
cliffs, few wild valleys, no limestone and millstone grit) and it is
physically separate, due to the River Wye.

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*Now* it's obvious. Thanks. I may 'borrow' some of that and
integrate it with my current approach.

Be my guest.

Paul
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Paul Saunders wrote on Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:58:10 -0000....

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The Black Mountains may be part of
the Beacons national park, but some (hi Richard) consider it to be a
separate area, and not really part of the Beacons at all. Geologically
it is (old red sandstone) and has certain common characteristics, but in
other ways it's somewhat different to the rest of the Beacons (very few
cliffs, few wild valleys, no limestone

What's Pen Cerrig-calch made of?

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and millstone grit) and it is
physically separate, due to the River Wye.

ITYM River Usk?

--
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Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

Tim Jackson said:

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rest of the Beacons (very few cliffs, few wild valleys, no limestone

What's Pen Cerrig-calch made of?

Oh yes, that. Okay, so that's an exception, one of only two in the
whole area as far as I'm aware, the other being Carreg yr Ogof. Foel
Fraith is half limestone but not at the absolute summit I don't think,
not according to my geological maps.

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and millstone grit) and it is
physically separate, due to the River Wye.

ITYM River Usk?

Oops, yes, sorry.

Paul
--
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http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote

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Well my expectations for GPS software are pretty simple, I expect it to
be able to do everthing that the GPS can, like use the same icons, edit
the name, description and other fields correctly, also to download all
of the data from the GPS, including date and time information in the
tracklogs for example. Anquet, MM and others are still a long way from
doing all of that as far as I'm aware. Ozi is *dedicated* GPS software,
Anquet and others are *mapping* software, with basic GPS support. Not
that there's anything wrong with that per se, but don't expect the
police to do the army's job.

I have Ozi, and like it for most purposes, but then I got Tracklogs for
a couple of areas I was interested in. The cost adds up, with
Leisure and Explorer maps at £24.95 each, but as I discovered this
weekend, they make a nice 25 quid present unit for the family to buy me
of birthdays (yesterday) and Xmases.
I will be emailing them a wish list soon. :-)

My daughter rang from a friend's house in the Midlands and asked what I
wanted, so I was able to give her the phone number and "OS Explorer 2"
and she was able to get it by the next day. Easy-peasy!

I haven't used Ozi much lately, no longer have to scan maps, and get a
better quality printout anyway. I also bought a laminator, and may try
carrying the A4 loose, because my Ortlieb is beginning to yellow after
several years use. I had thought of replacing it, then saw the
laminator for only a few more pounds, but I do like the hands-
free/always to hand convenience of the map case. We will see.

I only wish this stuff had been available when I was doing more
adventurous walks, but I am plotting all the walks from the database I
kept into Tracklogs, and studying them, and the 3d walk-through is
rather like sitting back and looking at photographs with associated
memories.
--
Gordon

In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Well my expectations for GPS software are pretty simple, I expect it to
be able to do everthing that the GPS can, like use the same icons, edit
the name, description and other fields correctly, also to download all
of the data from the GPS, including date and time information in the
tracklogs for example. Anquet, MM and others are still a long way from
doing all of that as far as I'm aware. Ozi is *dedicated* GPS software,
Anquet and others are *mapping* software, with basic GPS support. Not
that there's anything wrong with that per se, but don't expect the
police to do the army's job.

I have Ozi, and like it for most purposes, but then I got Tracklogs for
a couple of areas I was interested in. The cost adds up, with
Leisure and Explorer maps at £24.95 each, but as I discovered this
weekend, they make a nice 25 quid present unit for the family to buy me
of birthdays (yesterday)

Congats, when n where's the party?

I got Tracklogs 25K Dark Peak and Manchester to plan my Tameside Trail
fun. It just so happened that they had just released the new version
with the CROW access land marked on it so it is very easy for me to be
able to identify the open bits.

As you say they are not cheap but it is very much more convenient than
scanning maps and I quite like the Tracklogs interface. Just need to get
out of the office more now!

--

Dominic Sexton
http://www.dscs.demon.co.uk/

Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote in news:iJFAZJBs7JkBFwq5
@g3snx.demon.co.uk:

Quoted message said:

I haven't used Ozi much lately, no longer have to scan maps, and get a
better quality printout anyway. I also bought a laminator, and may try
carrying the A4 loose, because my Ortlieb is beginning to yellow after
several years use. I had thought of replacing it, then saw the
laminator for only a few more pounds, but I do like the hands-
free/always to hand convenience of the map case. We will see.

I usually laminate my Tracklogs map, fold it into 3 and stick it in a
pocket on the leg of my trousers so it is always to hand.
At home I put it in a binder with an A4 page of photos from the walk as a
reminder (usually between 4 and 9 photos on a page).

John

Tim Jackson said:

Paul Saunders wrote on Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:58:10 -0000....

Quoted message said:

The Black Mountains may be part of
the Beacons national park, but some (hi Richard) consider it to be a
separate area, and not really part of the Beacons at all. Geologically
it is (old red sandstone) and has certain common characteristics, but in
other ways it's somewhat different to the rest of the Beacons (very few
cliffs, few wild valleys, no limestone

Definitely part of the same range - a river may run through it (Usk) ,
but rivers also run through the Himalaya

It continues almost as far as Hereford, but the English ridges (other
than the Cats Back are low and usually wooded.

A similar ranges exist to the west too.... Only they are across
about 70 miles of sea. Galtees and Beacons are very alike.

Quoted message said:

What's Pen Cerrig-calch made of?

Calch! Well the top is (limestone) I suppose its the bedding
angle, but some limestone does survive on the mountain above
Crickhowel. .

Richard Webb

Dominic Sexton <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Congats, when n where's the party?

Last night, small 'do'. I cooked a meal for M**** and my daughter, who
brought the OS 2 Tracklog thingy.

Quoted message said:

I got Tracklogs 25K Dark Peak and Manchester to plan my Tameside Trail
fun. It just so happened that they had just released the new version
with the CROW access land marked on it so it is very easy for me to be
able to identify the open bits.

As you say they are not cheap but it is very much more convenient than
scanning maps and I quite like the Tracklogs interface. Just need to get
out of the office more now!

I must get out of the house more! I had one planned over
Hollingsworthhall Moor, but it seems daunting until I get fitter.

How did you send me the tracklog of the plan. Do you 'export file'
from Tracklogs? I'll have to play with it, handy for swapping walk
ideas.

With the reversion to GMT (or whatever you call it), dusk arrives too
soon for day trips to the Dales really, so it'll be local stuff now
until Spring.
--
Gordon

John Yale <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Gordon <[email hidden]> wrote in news:iJFAZJBs7JkBFwq5
@g3snx.demon.co.uk:

Quoted message said:

I haven't used Ozi much lately, no longer have to scan maps, and get a
better quality printout anyway. I also bought a laminator, and may try
carrying the A4 loose, because my Ortlieb is beginning to yellow after
several years use. I had thought of replacing it, then saw the
laminator for only a few more pounds, but I do like the hands-
free/always to hand convenience of the map case. We will see.

I usually laminate my Tracklogs map, fold it into 3 and stick it in a
pocket on the leg of my trousers so it is always to hand.
At home I put it in a binder with an A4 page of photos from the walk as a
reminder (usually between 4 and 9 photos on a page).

Good idea, my database goes back 30 years, with gaps, but only gives the
walk route, weather, comments of anything significant.
--
Gordon