OT Clothes shopping rant

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

I am sick of the following:

Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry, they
look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch fabrics are an
excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things that actually fit right.

3/4 length sleeves. I want my whole sleeves! I doubt women were ever
going into stores thinking "Oh, if only they had shirts to show off the
sexiest part of my body: my forearms." This "trend" was invented by
clothing manufacturers so they could save money on fabric. It's a scam.

I bet you'd love a military surplus store. They have clothes with none
of these characteristics and they come in many lovely colors. Each of
them comes in many colors. Simultaneously. So you can blend into a
forest or a desert of a snowbank. No pink. Lots of useful pockets and
you can get supplemental "accessories" for ammo, knives, canteens,
night vision binocs, first aid kits, cooking apparatus and several
classified things.

And I'm totally serious...

No, really.

Bob

Quoted message said:

Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's another
shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and cuffs . . .
dorkarama. It reminds me of children's clothing and uniforms. Oh, also
add "layrering tops" that are see-through. I'd like the option of not
layering, please.

Super-low-rise jeans and pants. Only a small percentage of the population
can wear these without spillover, so why is it they seem to be the majority
of pants offered? Ok, no one wants high-rise mommy pants either, but you
shouldn't have to get a bikini wax just to wear your pants.

The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while in the
spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like Barbie.

Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some weight, but
yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want to show it.

Cap sleeved t-shirts. These make everyone's arms look fat, even if you're
Kate Moss. T-shirts exist so you don't have to shave your pits if you just
want to go to the store to get some milk, so making the sleeves ultra-short
defeats the purpose.

If you happen to be a fan of any of the items I've mentioned above, these
are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. So, if you're
offended, tough, because I'm totally right. ;o)

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

I am sick of the following:

Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry, they
look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch fabrics are an
excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things that actually fit right.

They wear out a lot faster than regular jeans too. I've never had a
pair that lasted over a year.

Quoted message said:

Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's another
shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and cuffs . . .
dorkarama.

Yup.

Quoted message said:

It reminds me of children's clothing and uniforms. Oh, also
add "layrering tops" that are see-through. I'd like the option of not
layering, please.

Built in shoulder pads have always bothered me too. I'm large boned
and fairly well proportioned so I don't need them. Look like a
football player if I leave them in. First thing I do is take them out
with a seam ripper.

Quoted message said:

Super-low-rise jeans and pants. Only a small percentage of the population
can wear these without spillover, so why is it they seem to be the majority
of pants offered? Ok, no one wants high-rise mommy pants either, but you
shouldn't have to get a bikini wax just to wear your pants.

I can wear these without spillover now, but they just aren't
comfortable, regardless. For one, I have a long rise, and for
another, I'm always self-consciously feeling like I'm an appliance
repairman when I wear them and constantly wanting to pull them up out
of habit.

Quoted message said:

The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while in the
spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like Barbie.

Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some weight, but
yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want to show it.

Losing weight didn't reduce my chest much -- and "the boys" are quite
sensitive to cold. So I prefer wearing a bra.

Quoted message said:

Cap sleeved t-shirts. These make everyone's arms look fat, even if you're
Kate Moss. T-shirts exist so you don't have to shave your pits if you just
want to go to the store to get some milk, so making the sleeves ultra-short
defeats the purpose.

If you happen to be a fan of any of the items I've mentioned above, these
are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. So, if you're
offended, tough, because I'm totally right. ;o)

Pretty much, I try to stick with the classic designs. Gimme a pair of
good old straight legged levi's, gap jeans, mini skirt, or khakis, and
for the top -- a nice sweater set, a polo, an oxford, or a tank
top/t-shirt.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob (this one) said:

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

I am sick of the following:

Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry, they
look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch fabrics are an
excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things that actually fit right.

3/4 length sleeves. I want my whole sleeves! I doubt women were ever
going into stores thinking "Oh, if only they had shirts to show off the
sexiest part of my body: my forearms." This "trend" was invented by
clothing manufacturers so they could save money on fabric. It's a scam.

I bet you'd love a military surplus store. They have clothes with none
of these characteristics and they come in many lovely colors. Each of
them comes in many colors. Simultaneously. So you can blend into a
forest or a desert of a snowbank. No pink. Lots of useful pockets and
you can get supplemental "accessories" for ammo, knives, canteens,
night vision binocs, first aid kits, cooking apparatus and several
classified things.

And I'm totally serious...

No, really.

Bob

Doesn't sound like that would be the best place to find flattering clothes
for a womanly figure . . .

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's another
shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and cuffs . . .
dorkarama.

Yup.

Okay, you guys HAVE to see the "Dorcus Collection" here:

http://www.lileks.com/institute/dorcus/index.html

--
Saffire
205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

Luna said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Bob (this one) said:

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

I am sick of the following:

Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry, they
look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch fabrics are an
excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things that actually fit right.

3/4 length sleeves. I want my whole sleeves! I doubt women were ever
going into stores thinking "Oh, if only they had shirts to show off the
sexiest part of my body: my forearms." This "trend" was invented by
clothing manufacturers so they could save money on fabric. It's a scam.

I bet you'd love a military surplus store. They have clothes with none
of these characteristics and they come in many lovely colors. Each of
them comes in many colors. Simultaneously. So you can blend into a
forest or a desert of a snowbank. No pink. Lots of useful pockets and
you can get supplemental "accessories" for ammo, knives, canteens,
night vision binocs, first aid kits, cooking apparatus and several
classified things.

And I'm totally serious...

No, really.

Bob

Doesn't sound like that would be the best place to find flattering clothes
for a womanly figure . . .

Silly you. Buy them a size or two too small and leave a few buttons
open. I promise you, no one will notice how flattering the clothes
are. And you'll make a lot of new friends with properly operating
glandular systems. And you'll have a pocket for a knife. Won't that be
fun?

Remember, no white after Labor Day. Oh, wait...

No, seriously...

Pastorio

Luna wrote:
|| I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that
|| can fit into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like
|| anymore.

I hear you.

||
|| I am sick of the following:
||
|| Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry,
|| they look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch
|| fabrics are an excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things
|| that actually fit right.

Hey, I hear you.

||
|| 3/4 length sleeves. I want my whole sleeves! I doubt women were
|| ever going into stores thinking "Oh, if only they had shirts to show
|| off the sexiest part of my body: my forearms." This "trend" was
|| invented by clothing manufacturers so they could save money on
|| fabric. It's a scam.

I've always wondered why they make these for ladies but not for men. I mean,
us guys really like checking out those forearms. hehe. I don't get how
women fell for this one...some fashion designer dude must have said this is
the new thing, huh?

||
|| Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's
|| another shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and
|| cuffs . . . dorkarama. It reminds me of children's clothing and
|| uniforms. Oh, also add "layrering tops" that are see-through. I'd
|| like the option of not layering, please.

Yeah, I've seen these for guys too...not the see-through, though...but I
generally like see-through stuff on women...hehe.

||
|| Super-low-rise jeans and pants. Only a small percentage of the
|| population can wear these without spillover, so why is it they seem
|| to be the majority of pants offered? Ok, no one wants high-rise
|| mommy pants either, but you shouldn't have to get a bikini wax just
|| to wear your pants.

Correct me if I'm wrong: a lot of folks wear these with spillover, right?
Makes me wonder 'bout folks...(I'm sure to get flame roasted for this
comment, oh well).

||
|| The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while in
|| the spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like Barbie.
||
|| Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some weight,
|| but yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want to show
|| it.

Wear guy clothes! I'm serious. You'd still look great!

||
|| Cap sleeved t-shirts. These make everyone's arms look fat, even if
|| you're Kate Moss. T-shirts exist so you don't have to shave your
|| pits if you just want to go to the store to get some milk, so making
|| the sleeves ultra-short defeats the purpose.

Is that why they make t-shirts? Interesting.

||
|| If you happen to be a fan of any of the items I've mentioned above,
|| these are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. So, if
|| you're offended, tough, because I'm totally right. ;o)

I hear ya.

Concordia wrote:
|| On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 05:01:15 GMT, Luna
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that
||| can fit into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like
||| anymore.
|||
||| I am sick of the following:
|||
||| Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry,
||| they look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch
||| fabrics are an excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things
||| that actually fit right.
||
|| They wear out a lot faster than regular jeans too. I've never had a
|| pair that lasted over a year.
||
||| Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's
||| another shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and
||| cuffs . . . dorkarama.
||
|| Yup.
||
||| It reminds me of children's clothing and uniforms. Oh, also
||| add "layrering tops" that are see-through. I'd like the option of
||| not layering, please.
||
|| Built in shoulder pads have always bothered me too. I'm large boned
|| and fairly well proportioned so I don't need them. Look like a
|| football player if I leave them in. First thing I do is take them
|| out
|| with a seam ripper.
||
||| Super-low-rise jeans and pants. Only a small percentage of the
||| population can wear these without spillover, so why is it they seem
||| to be the majority of pants offered? Ok, no one wants high-rise
||| mommy pants either, but you shouldn't have to get a bikini wax just
||| to wear your pants.
||
|| I can wear these without spillover now, but they just aren't
|| comfortable, regardless. For one, I have a long rise, and for
|| another, I'm always self-consciously feeling like I'm an appliance
|| repairman when I wear them and constantly wanting to pull them up out
|| of habit.
||
||| The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while in
||| the spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like Barbie.
|||
||| Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some weight,
||| but yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want to
||| show it.
||
|| Losing weight didn't reduce my chest much -- and "the boys" are quite
|| sensitive to cold. So I prefer wearing a bra.

"the boys". Honey please! Only guys have "boys" You have to say "the
girls" 🙂

||
||| Cap sleeved t-shirts. These make everyone's arms look fat, even if
||| you're Kate Moss. T-shirts exist so you don't have to shave your
||| pits if you just want to go to the store to get some milk, so
||| making the sleeves ultra-short defeats the purpose.
|||
||| If you happen to be a fan of any of the items I've mentioned above,
||| these are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. So, if
||| you're offended, tough, because I'm totally right. ;o)
||
|| Pretty much, I try to stick with the classic designs. Gimme a pair
|| of
|| good old straight legged levi's, gap jeans, mini skirt, or khakis,
|| and
|| for the top -- a nice sweater set, a polo, an oxford, or a tank
|| top/t-shirt.

Roger Zoul said:

Concordia wrote:

(snip)

Quoted message said:

|| Losing weight didn't reduce my chest much -- and "the boys" are quite
|| sensitive to cold. So I prefer wearing a bra.

"the boys". Honey please! Only guys have "boys" You have to say "the
girls"

My husband lovingly refers to them as "the boys", so I'll kindly have
to defer to his description of them in the interest of promoting
marital peace <g>. Ya know how that cutesy wootsy, silly [censored]
affectionate naming thing goes...

I live in the south, so it's warm enough most times. But those over
air conditioned places can be a [censored].

I'm fine with the braless tank top look; hubs is the one that
occasionally suggests that I might want to throw on a bra or something
other than a light colored shirt. He's quite subtlety jealous and a
bit possessive at times, but in a pleasing way -- not ridiculous or
annoying about it at all. He's a good guy.

Saffire said:

In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

Luna said:

Built-in layers. Those shirts and sweaters that look like there's another
shirt under them, but really it's just a sewn-in collar and cuffs . . .
dorkarama.

Yup.

Okay, you guys HAVE to see the "Dorcus Collection" here:

http://www.lileks.com/institute/dorcus/index.html

LOL! There should be a law...

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Doesn't sound like that would be the best place to find flattering clothes
for a womanly figure . . .

You might be surprised. In the army, women in (French) fatigue pants looked
very sexy, since the cut is very close to the buttocks... It all depends on
what you consider sexy I guess...

Hi,

Excerpt from Luna's Rant:

Quoted message said:

|| The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while
in the spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like
Barbie.
|| Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some
weight, but yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want
to
show it.

Roger said:

Wear guy clothes! I'm serious. You'd still look great!

Some of us do wear guy clothes. Not only are they *cheaper*, they're
sturdier, they cover the territory you want covered, they don't cut
off blood supply to anyplace, they have useful pockets, the jeans are
long enough for me and my daughter, the shorts don't require a shave
that ends at my *neck* and the colors for teeshirts don't look like
Lisa Frank upchucked all over them. For those unfamiliar with Lisa
Frank:
http://www.lisafrank.com/

Take care,
Carmen

Concordia wrote:
|| On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 05:40:26 -0400, "Roger Zoul"
|| <[email hidden]> wrote:
||
||| Concordia wrote:
||
|| (snip)
||||| Losing weight didn't reduce my chest much -- and "the boys" are
||||| quite sensitive to cold. So I prefer wearing a bra.
|||
||| "the boys". Honey please! Only guys have "boys" You have to say
||| "the girls"
||
|| My husband lovingly refers to them as "the boys", so I'll kindly have
|| to defer to his description of them in the interest of promoting
|| marital peace <g>. Ya know how that cutesy wootsy, silly [censored]
|| affectionate naming thing goes...

I see....

||
|| I live in the south, so it's warm enough most times. But those over
|| air conditioned places can be a [censored].

Hmm...I live in the south too. Mention to your hubby (if ya wanna - no
biggie if ya don't) that some internet bozo thought he ought to say "the
girls". I'm curious to know what he'd say 🙂

||
|| I'm fine with the braless tank top look; hubs is the one that
|| occasionally suggests that I might want to throw on a bra or
|| something other than a light colored shirt. He's quite subtlety
|| jealous and a
|| bit possessive at times, but in a pleasing way -- not ridiculous or
|| annoying about it at all. He's a good guy.

Sounds he's good guy. Good for you!

Quoted message said:

Built in shoulder pads have always bothered me too. I'm large boned
and fairly well proportioned so I don't need them. Look like a
football player if I leave them in. First thing I do is take them out
with a seam ripper.

<gasp!> Are they doing this again? I haven't really been into the clothes
buying thing for about a decade now, and an just starting to really look again.
I remember this from the 80s, it was horrible!
LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/165/140
& hubby- 6' 310/188/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

Quoted message said:

Okay, you guys HAVE to see the "Dorcus Collection" here:

OMG! I haven't seen this in so long! It's hilarious, LOL!
LCing since 12/01/03-
Me- 5'7" 265/165/140
& hubby- 6' 310/188/180
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lcer09/my_photos

Luna,

I agree with everything you said. But there are still good sources for
normal clothes. Try http://landsend.com/. Also, my sister swears by
Eddie Bauer http://eddiebauer.com/eb/default.asp, though it's probably a
bit more expensive.

Good luck,
Rebecca

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

Luna, I agree with most everything you said (except I really don't mind 3/4
length sleeves, but they can get irritating)... but esp.

"Super-low-rise jeans and pants. Only a small percentage of the
population

can wear these without spillover, so why is it they seem to be the
majority
of pants offered? Ok, no one wants high-rise mommy pants either, but you
shouldn't have to get a bikini wax just to wear your pants."

These are just horrible on most people. Even thin people tend to look fat
in them and most people are in denial (I guess) about how they really look
or they'd NEVER wear them.

Becky P.

"Luna" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

The color pink. Yes, it was pretty and fresh for a little while in the
spring, but I've OD'd on seeing grown women dressed like Barbie.

Off-the-shoulder tops. Flashdance, anyone? I've lost some weight, but
yes, I do still need to wear a bra, and no, I don't want to show it.

They sell bras now that have transparent straps. I love them! They had these
in Europe for years now, so I used to bring them back with me. (strange sort
of souvenir, but more useful than the typical keychain or fan from Spain).
I have now started seeing them here, but you might have to go to an
upper-scale dept store to find them. I haven't seen them in WalMart or
Target yet. I'm sure it's only a matter of time.

KMS

Luna said:

3/4 length sleeves. I want my whole sleeves! I doubt women were ever
going into stores thinking "Oh, if only they had shirts to show off the
sexiest part of my body: my forearms." This "trend" was invented by
clothing manufacturers so they could save money on fabric. It's a scam.

If you happen to be a fan of any of the items I've mentioned above, these
are just my opinions and not meant to offend anyone. So, if you're
offended, tough, because I'm totally right. ;o)

I've always liked 3/4 sleeves. They're easier to push up out of the way
and look neater to me than short sleeves. I'm sure it's a function of
1980's fashion indoctrination.

I assure you, I no longer wear "boyfriend" jackets. Really.

brigid

Concordia said:

Luna said:

I'm starting to hate shopping. Seems now that I have a body that can fit
into normal sized clothes, no one is making clothing I like anymore.

I am sick of the following:

Stretch jeans. Ok, yes, they are more comfortable, but I'm sorry, they
look fake. Unless you buy really expensive jeans, stretch fabrics are an
excuse for designers to be lazy and not make things that actually fit right.

They wear out a lot faster than regular jeans too. I've never had a
pair that lasted over a year.

They'd last longer if you didn't throw them in the dryer (yeah, right).
Spandex degrades with heat and also with bleach. I've noticed that the
denim iteself is also very thin. Especially the stretch jeans from
Wal*Mart.

brigid