More Water/Drinking

In message <[email hidden]>, Mark
Thompson <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Are water threads going to replace the Argos Tent as topic of choice?

Anyway, was dribbling over lots of stuff in the camping shops today but
decided to go lightweight and buy none of the junk, instantly saving
several tonnes from my packweight.

I was tempted by the platypus type bottles with straws, but choked on the
price (I'm a poor student). Is it feasible to make something similar out of
bits and bobs. Has anyone had success with this, or will my attempts be
doomed to failure and a soaking bag?

Empty pop bottle - fill with water. When thirsty, unscrew top and pour
towards mouth. No increase in your student loan. And no useless tube
that freezes solid.

--
Martin Richardson
239/284 Munros - 15% to go 34/34 'Furths' & 439/439 Nuttalls - 0% to go
42/89 Donalds - 53% to go 0/? Himalayans - 100% to go
442/1552 Marilyns - 72% to go

Martin Richardson <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Quoted message said:

Empty pop bottle - fill with water. When thirsty, unscrew top and pour
towards mouth. No increase in your student loan. And no useless tube
that freezes solid.

Always found that bringing tube uner arm rather than over shoulder works -
body heat keeps it from freezing. Also means that it is in the right place
to drink from hands free.

Quoted message said:

Empty pop bottle - fill with water. When thirsty, unscrew top and pour
towards mouth. No increase in your student loan. And no useless tube
that freezes solid.

Wooden rolling pin. When annoyed raise above head and bring down upon
Martin's head. No increase in annoyance levels. And no useless,
patronising posts.

"Mark Thompson" <[email hidden]> schreef in bericht
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Empty pop bottle - fill with water. When thirsty, unscrew top and pour
towards mouth. No increase in your student loan. And no useless tube
that freezes solid.

Wooden rolling pin. When annoyed raise above head and bring down upon
Martin's head. No increase in annoyance levels. And no useless,
patronising posts.

Go to basic outdoorshop, buy plastic bag for containing water, get plastic
flexible tube, stick together (use glue or tape).
Look in mirror and say to yourself : must buy some creative brain somewhere.

Theo

Chris Malcolm said:

I've observed that people in general seem to need a lot more water
than when I were a lad, not just in hill walking. Nowadays many
students can't get through an hour's lecture without a few swigs from
the water bottles they carry everywhere. I wonder if it has to do
with losing water through increased skin permeability because of the
current fad of avoiding fats in one's diet?

I think it's more likely due to the mineral water companies doing such a
fantastic job in convincing people that we need to be constantly
"detoxing" and internally cleansing our bodies with copious amounts of
expensive water. As mentioned in another thread, apparently none of us
drink enough and we're all permanently dehydrated as well. What a load
of [censored].

Rhys

Rhys said:

I think it's more likely due to the mineral water companies doing such a
fantastic job in convincing people that we need to be constantly
"detoxing" and internally cleansing our bodies with copious amounts of
expensive water. As mentioned in another thread, apparently none of us
drink enough and we're all permanently dehydrated as well. What a load
of [censored].

I quote from an article in this month's Which magazine entitled Fluid
for Thought:

"Many magazine articles include the advice 'drink eight glasses of
water a day'."

"Dr. Heinz Valtin of the Dartmouth Medical School in the US was asked
by the American Journal of Physiology to find the origin of this
advice and any evidence to back it up. Despite a ten-month search of
published studies and interviews with medical colleagues and
nutritionists, he drew a blank. It seems there's no scientific source
for this oft-repeated 'fact'."

The article goes on to advise that if one's urine is pale and
straw-coloured, it's fine, but if it's darker, you should be drinking
more, though not necessarily water, any fluid source will do. (I don't
think this includes booze ). ;-)

John D.
--
at home in Kendal, Cumbria
Lake District Walks at: http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/
Kilimanjaro trip at: http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/kilimanjaro/

Martin Richardson <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Mark
Thompson <[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Are water threads going to replace the Argos Tent as topic of choice?

Anyway, was dribbling over lots of stuff in the camping shops today but
decided to go lightweight and buy none of the junk, instantly saving
several tonnes from my packweight.

I was tempted by the platypus type bottles with straws, but choked on the
price (I'm a poor student). Is it feasible to make something similar out of
bits and bobs. Has anyone had success with this, or will my attempts be
doomed to failure and a soaking bag?

Empty pop bottle - fill with water. When thirsty, unscrew top and pour
towards mouth. No increase in your student loan. And no useless tube
that freezes solid.

I took two 500ml of bottled water that the supermarkets sell, with a
drinking valve you pull out wiv your teef.

I came home with one unopened.
--
Gordon

Quoted message said:

I think it's more likely due to the mineral water companies doing such a
fantastic job in convincing people that we need to be constantly
"detoxing" and internally cleansing our bodies with copious amounts of
expensive water. As mentioned in another thread, apparently none of us
drink enough and we're all permanently dehydrated as well. What a load
of [censored].

Yep, the advice on the side of mineral water bottles gets believed by
almost everyone. What's strange is that they seem to be moving upwards -
it used to be a vaguely do-able 1.5 litres but the last one I looked at
suggested two litres a day! For mermaids maybe..

Quoted message said:

Go to basic outdoorshop, buy plastic bag for containing water, get
plastic flexible tube, stick together (use glue or tape).
Look in mirror and say to yourself : must buy some creative brain
somewhere.

So far I'm stuck on a durable and reliable way of fixing the tube to the
cap without any leaks, and of making a mouth operated valve on the end of
the tube. My completely uncreative solutions are:

For the cap I'm thinking of using a plasticy wine cork and drilling it
out to accept the tube held in place with glue that'll stay a bit 'soft'.
The length of the cork will prevent the tube from opening up a hole for
water to escape as it flexes in use and abuse. The soft, flexible glue
will serve the same purpose.

For the drinking tube the easy thing is to blow the water back into the
bottle when you've finished but this means sucking on half a tube of air
everytime you want a sip. A (very well) washed valve from a shower gel
bottle might be persuaded to fit into the tube. This holds shower gel
in, but might not work with water 'cos it's less viscous.

Empty plastic bottle+cap - free; tube from B&Q - pennies; plasticy wine
cork - who cares (hic); glue - in the shed somewhere; mouth operated
valve - free (assuming you use the right brand of showergel).

Your grumpy-[censored] post seems to suggest buying a £x collapsable water
carrier with an £x pound platypus type drinking tube and spending about
the same amount as the expensive drinking 'system' dooberries cost
anyway. You're a genius.

The message <[email hidden]>
from John Dawson <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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The article goes on to advise that if one's urine is pale and
straw-coloured, it's fine, but if it's darker, you should be drinking
more, though not necessarily water, any fluid source will do. (I don't
think this includes booze ). ;-)

Why not? Spirits might not be sensible after a hard days sweating but
the limited diuretic effect of the alcohol in beer is surely swamped by
the large volume of accompanying water that has a much greater effect on
the bladder. Not so much straw coloured as near clear after a few pints.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 39 summits
New - 22 (Marilyns 8, Sweats 5, Outlying Fells 11)
Repeats - 17( Marilyns 6, Sweats 12, Wainwrights 11)
Knackered knee - 4 times

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 12:34:19 +0100, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from John Dawson <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

The article goes on to advise that if one's urine is pale and
straw-coloured, it's fine, but if it's darker, you should be drinking
more, though not necessarily water, any fluid source will do. (I don't
think this includes booze ). ;-)

Why not? Spirits might not be sensible after a hard days sweating but
the limited diuretic effect of the alcohol in beer is surely swamped by
the large volume of accompanying water that has a much greater effect on
the bladder. Not so much straw coloured as near clear after a few pints.

And the next morning you'll suffer dehydration.

John D.
--
at home in Kendal, Cumbria
Lake District Walks at: http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/
Kilimanjaro trip at: http://www.lakedistrictwalks.com/kilimanjaro/

Mark Thompson said:

Empty plastic bottle+cap - free; tube from B&Q - pennies; plasticy wine
cork - who cares (hic); glue - in the shed somewhere; mouth operated
valve - free (assuming you use the right brand of showergel).

Your grumpy-[censored] post seems to suggest buying a ?x collapsable water
carrier with an ?x pound platypus type drinking tube and spending about
the same amount as the expensive drinking 'system' dooberries cost
anyway. You're a genius.

You could use some of the platypus parts where it's difficult to
find a diy alternative. For instance, a replacement bite valve costs
about 4 quid.

Were you planning to use a plastic bottle for the water container ?
If so, you'll need some way to let air in : the bladder systems
rely on the container collapsing as water is removed.

-adrian

Adrian Godwin said:

Were you planning to use a plastic bottle for the water container ?
If so, you'll need some way to let air in : the bladder systems
rely on the container collapsing as water is removed.

He's right...
The bladders from inside wine boxes are a cheap alternative (well, they
are cheap if you like the wine and would buty some anyway).

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Were you planning to use a plastic bottle for the water container ?
If so, you'll need some way to let air in : the bladder systems
rely on the container collapsing as water is removed.

He's right...
The bladders from inside wine boxes are a cheap alternative (well, they
are cheap if you like the wine and would buty some anyway).

Looks at glass, looks to the wine box on the shelf. Smiles.

Cheers.

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 07:03:42 +0000 (UTC), [email hidden] (Chris

Malcolm) said:

Nowadays many
students can't get through an hour's lecture without a few swigs from
the water bottles they carry everywhere

Ah, students, those poor impoverished downtrodden members of society. Is
this bottled water, you know 90p/500ml or whatever ? I pay about £2 for 220
gallons - if they opted for the same source it would of course be free.
Still, I suppose you have to build up a 5-figure debt in 3 years somehow.

[More seriously, the provision of drinking water to the public in this
country is bloody awful. Considering every single drop that the water
companies pass into the mains is perfectly safe, too.]

--
Zen order: Make me none with everything...

Mail john rather than nospam...

Peter Clinch said:

He's right...
The bladders from inside wine boxes are a cheap alternative (well, they
are cheap if you like the wine and would buty some anyway).

A friend refers to my platypus as a colostomy bag. Maybe that's
another cheap alternative (perhaps even get them on the NHS!).

Carry two - incoming and outgoing...

-adrian

"Roger" wrote ...

Quoted message said:

after
John Dawson > > The article goes on to advise that if one's urine is pale

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

straw-coloured, it's fine, but if it's darker, you should be drinking
more, though not necessarily water, any fluid source will do. (I don't
think this includes booze ). ;-)

Why not? Spirits might not be sensible after a hard days sweating but
the limited diuretic effect of the alcohol in beer is surely swamped by
the large volume of accompanying water that has a much greater effect on
the bladder. Not so much straw coloured as near clear after a few pints.

It's not that many generations since the boys at Eton (and no doubt other
boarding schools) used to get weak Beer with their breakfast, couldn't
trust the water.

--
Regards
Bob
in Runnymede, 17miles west of London, UK

Adrian Godwin said:

Peter Clinch said:

He's right...
The bladders from inside wine boxes are a cheap alternative (well, they
are cheap if you like the wine and would buty some anyway).

A friend refers to my platypus as a colostomy bag. Maybe that's
another cheap alternative (perhaps even get them on the NHS!).

Carry two - incoming and outgoing...

Hey! What we all need is a stillsuit as worn on Arrakis[1]. Catch
pockets for sweat and other bodily fluids, processing panels in the
lining, and a drinking tube handy at the neck. All driven by pumps
under the heels.

[1] Frank Herbert's Dune novels.
--
Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

"Phil Cook" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Adrian Godwin said:

Peter Clinch said:

He's right...
The bladders from inside wine boxes are a cheap alternative (well, they
are cheap if you like the wine and would buty some anyway).

A friend refers to my platypus as a colostomy bag. Maybe that's
another cheap alternative (perhaps even get them on the NHS!).

Carry two - incoming and outgoing...

Hey! What we all need is a stillsuit as worn on Arrakis[1]. Catch
pockets for sweat and other bodily fluids, processing panels in the
lining, and a drinking tube handy at the neck. All driven by pumps
under the heels.

[1] Frank Herbert's Dune novels.

I was more reminded of Joseph Heller's Catch-22....
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen