drinking just before and while running

luc wastiaux said:

I usually drink 3 liters of water a day, spread out throughout the day.
But I stop drinking at least 30mn before going running, and don't drink
during my run (which lasts 45-50mn). I have this belief that drinking
just before running causes side stitch pain, what do you think, am I
justified in thinking that ?

I my experience, side stitch pain is the result of running faster than
you're conditioned for... the side stitch pain is from your diaphragm,
I believe.

I wear a Camelbak Flashflo when I run and it holds about 50 oz of fluid.
I generally fill it most of the way and will consume most of it
during my 60 minute runs... about 5 miles or so. I consume less fluid
when the weather is cooler...

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I usually drink 3 liters of water a day, spread out throughout the day.
But I stop drinking at least 30mn before going running, and don't drink
during my run (which lasts 45-50mn). I have this belief that drinking
just before running causes side stitch pain, what do you think, am I
justified in thinking that ?

Yes, and so can being too hydrated. So drinking too much the rest of
the day can also cause them.

Danglynnn said:

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I usually drink 3 liters of water a day, spread out throughout the day.
But I stop drinking at least 30mn before going running, and don't drink
during my run (which lasts 45-50mn). I have this belief that drinking
just before running causes side stitch pain, what do you think, am I
justified in thinking that ?

Yes, and so can being too hydrated. So drinking too much the rest of
the day can also cause them.

I drink anywhere between 3L and 4L of water everyday, is this too much ?
I drink all this water because I hate having a dry throat. Usually when
I'm away for the whole day, I pack 2 1.5L bottles in my bag. The rest, I
drink in the morning or in the evening.

--
luc wastiaux

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Danglynnn said:

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I usually drink 3 liters of water a day, spread out throughout the
day. But I stop drinking at least 30mn before going running, and
don't drink during my run (which lasts 45-50mn). I have this belief
that drinking just before running causes side stitch pain, what do
you think, am I justified in thinking that ?

Yes, and so can being too hydrated. So drinking too much the rest of
the day can also cause them.

I drink anywhere between 3L and 4L of water everyday, is this too much
? I drink all this water because I hate having a dry throat. Usually
when I'm away for the whole day, I pack 2 1.5L bottles in my bag. The
rest, I drink in the morning or in the evening.

If you aren't getting your water from other sources, such as fruits,
juices, milk, etc., then 4 liters may not be too that much. If I have a
longish run (10+ miles) that day, I'll drink about 3 liters of water up
until the time of the run. Then I'll switch to Cytomax just before,
during, and after the run.

As for the side stitch, I haven't gotten a side stitch in years. When I
first got them, I was new to running. I started doing ab exercises and
the stitches never came back, even during hard interval training.

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu

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If you aren't getting your water from other sources, such as fruits,
juices, milk, etc., then 4 liters may not be too that much. If I have a
longish run (10+ miles) that day, I'll drink about 3 liters of water up
until the time of the run. Then I'll switch to Cytomax just before,
during, and after the run.

Unless you're dehydrated to begin with, it is a bad idea to drink a lot of
water prior to your long run. It can tilt the sodium balance towards
hyponatrema, and lower your hematocrit. The best thing to do on long runs
is to drink as you run. I usually drink every 15-20 minutes, from 8 to 10
oz (1/4 - 1/3 liter). For longer runs (3+ hours) you need to take sodium to
replace what you sweat. If it is very hot, take sodium (eg, Succeed! caps)
on 1 1/2 to 2 hour runs.

There's been a lot of discussion about water, sodium levels,
milliequivelants, electrolyte replacement on the ultra list, by people with
scientific chops. I think I've accurately summarized the gist here.

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As for the side stitch, I haven't gotten a side stitch in years. When I
first got them, I was new to running. I started doing ab exercises and
the stitches never came back, even during hard interval training.

Learn to belly breathe. If you fully expand and contract your diaphragm as
you breathe, it won't cramp up.

-- Dan

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If you aren't getting your water from other sources, such as fruits,
juices, milk, etc., then 4 liters may not be too that much. If I have
a longish run (10+ miles) that day, I'll drink about 3 liters of
water up until the time of the run. Then I'll switch to Cytomax just
before, during, and after the run.

Unless you're dehydrated to begin with, it is a bad idea to drink a
lot of water prior to your long run. It can tilt the sodium balance
towards hyponatrema, and lower your hematocrit. The best thing to do
on long runs is to drink as you run. I usually drink every 15-20
minutes, from 8 to 10 oz (1/4 - 1/3 liter). For longer runs (3+
hours) you need to take sodium to replace what you sweat. If it is
very hot, take sodium (eg, Succeed! caps) on 1 1/2 to 2 hour runs.

I drink before, during and after. 3 liters during the day is not that much
for me. That's what I'm used to. I don't think I'm in danger of
hyponatremia if my body has adjusted to this soft of quantity.

Phil M.

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If you aren't getting your water from other sources, such as fruits,
juices, milk, etc., then 4 liters may not be too that much. If I have
a longish run (10+ miles) that day, I'll drink about 3 liters of
water up until the time of the run. Then I'll switch to Cytomax just
before, during, and after the run.

Unless you're dehydrated to begin with, it is a bad idea to drink a
lot of water prior to your long run. It can tilt the sodium balance
towards hyponatrema, and lower your hematocrit. The best thing to do
on long runs is to drink as you run. I usually drink every 15-20
minutes, from 8 to 10 oz (1/4 - 1/3 liter). For longer runs (3+
hours) you need to take sodium to replace what you sweat. If it is
very hot, take sodium (eg, Succeed! caps) on 1 1/2 to 2 hour runs.

I drink before, during and after. 3 liters during the day is not that much
for me. That's what I'm used to. I don't think I'm in danger of
hyponatremia if my body has adjusted to this soft of quantity.

Aside from exercise I drink about 4 liters a day, usually flavored with
emer-gen-C powder (electrolytes). I drink up to 1/2 a liter of the same
before long runs or bikes.

On last weeks long run (just under 4 hours) I drank 2.5 liters water with 6
scoops accelerade mixed into it (slightly weak), but if it was hotter I
would have taken in 3-3.5 liters.

On today's 4 hour bike ride (pretty hot out) I drank 3.5 liters accelerade
(some of it was gatobarf), and when I got back I drank a liter of endurox
and then later 1.5 liters water with some diet soda to make it paletable.

I get my salts from saltly foods like pretzels and potassium salt
substitute, and I take calcium/magnesium supplements. In the past I used to
get hyponatremia quite often in summer and its not fun. The accelerade and
endurox combination seem to keep body salts in balance.

- Tony

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Phil M.

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Aside from exercise I drink about 4 liters a day, usually flavored with
emer-gen-C powder (electrolytes). I drink up to 1/2 a liter of the same
before long runs or bikes.

On last weeks long run (just under 4 hours) I drank 2.5 liters water with

6

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scoops accelerade mixed into it (slightly weak), but if it was hotter I
would have taken in 3-3.5 liters.

Quoted message said:

On today's 4 hour bike ride (pretty hot out) I drank 3.5 liters accelerade
(some of it was gatobarf), and when I got back I drank a liter of endurox
and then later 1.5 liters water with some diet soda to make it paletable.

What you want to do is to end the run only a pound or two lighter than you
started. (you burn a couple of lbs of glycogen during a long run or ride).
If you are thirsty enough to consume 2.5 liters of liquid after your event
(that's about 5 lbs), than you are not drinking nearly enough during the
workout.

When you are this dehydrated, your performance declines, you overheat, you
burn glycogen faster, and your recovery will be impared. For these reasons
it's much better to somehow get more liquid during your workout than
dehydrate yourself and replenish afterward.

It took me a couple of years to learn this one after I started focusing on
ultras. When I raced marathons, I could end the race weighing 8-10 lbs less
than I started. I still wonder what times I could have run if I hadn't been
so dehydrated...

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I get my salts from saltly foods like pretzels and potassium salt
substitute, and I take calcium/magnesium supplements.

Salt is good for endurance athletes, since we sweat so much of it out.
Don't go overboard, but don't restrict it by using substitutes. (unless your
doctor says otherwise)

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In the past I used to
get hyponatremia quite often in summer and its not fun. The accelerade

and

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endurox combination seem to keep body salts in balance.

The average person sweats out about 600 mg of sodium with each pound of
sweat. So the ideal replenishment drink would have this much sodium per
pint or half liter. Most have far less. This is why we crave salty foods
during and after long workouts.

In the ultra community, most runners take sodium suppliments during races.

-- Dan

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"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote

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Aside from exercise I drink about 4 liters a day, usually flavored with
emer-gen-C powder (electrolytes). I drink up to 1/2 a liter of the same
before long runs or bikes.

On last weeks long run (just under 4 hours) I drank 2.5 liters water with

6

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scoops accelerade mixed into it (slightly weak), but if it was hotter I
would have taken in 3-3.5 liters.

Quoted message said:

On today's 4 hour bike ride (pretty hot out) I drank 3.5 liters

accelerade

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(some of it was gatobarf), and when I got back I drank a liter of endurox
and then later 1.5 liters water with some diet soda to make it paletable.

What you want to do is to end the run only a pound or two lighter than you
started. (you burn a couple of lbs of glycogen during a long run or

ride).

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If you are thirsty enough to consume 2.5 liters of liquid after your event
(that's about 5 lbs), than you are not drinking nearly enough during the
workout.

When you are this dehydrated, your performance declines, you overheat, you
burn glycogen faster, and your recovery will be impared. For these reasons
it's much better to somehow get more liquid during your workout than
dehydrate yourself and replenish afterward.

Very true, but that was all I could get down yesterday; my system wasn't
processing as well as it normally does. It's hard to get down more than 1
liter/hour in any case.

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It took me a couple of years to learn this one after I started focusing on
ultras. When I raced marathons, I could end the race weighing 8-10 lbs

less

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than I started. I still wonder what times I could have run if I hadn't

been

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so dehydrated...

I've been there too; 10 lbs is alot at your weight. If you were doing a
longer ultra they would have stopped you at the weigh-in!? Most people
don't realize you just have to force yourself to keep drinking and that's
why its good to have multiple flavors to drink during a long event.

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I get my salts from saltly foods like pretzels and potassium salt
substitute, and I take calcium/magnesium supplements.

Salt is good for endurance athletes, since we sweat so much of it out.
Don't go overboard, but don't restrict it by using substitutes. (unless

your

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doctor says otherwise)

I use both regular salt on certain foods and potassium salt on other foods.

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In the past I used to
get hyponatremia quite often in summer and its not fun. The accelerade

and

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endurox combination seem to keep body salts in balance.

The average person sweats out about 600 mg of sodium with each pound of
sweat. So the ideal replenishment drink would have this much sodium per
pint or half liter. Most have far less. This is why we crave salty foods
during and after long workouts.

For the average person yes, but with intensive exercise, the body learns to
sweat more efficiently and does not leech as much salt. But I don't dispute
that extra salt is needed on top of sports drinks.

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In the ultra community, most runners take sodium suppliments during races.

I take them with me also when out a long time, but also I take eletrolyte
mix with magnesium/potassium because I've always thought these minerals are
responsible for proper muscle function, and to help ward off cramps. I was
surprised when I checked their website that Succeed caps contain only salt
and not other electrolytes. IMO you need both.

- Tony

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-- Dan

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towards hyponatrema, and lower your hematocrit. The best thing to

do

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on long runs is to drink as you run. I usually drink every 15-20
minutes, from 8 to 10 oz (1/4 - 1/3 liter). For longer runs (3+
hours) you need to take sodium to replace what you sweat. If it is
very hot, take sodium (eg, Succeed! caps) on 1 1/2 to 2 hour runs.

I drink before, during and after. 3 liters during the day is not that

much

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for me. That's what I'm used to. I don't think I'm in danger of
hyponatremia if my body has adjusted to this soft of quantity.

In general I have to agree with Dan. You may be getting by today with
your proclivity for simple water but in general It's not good practice.
I'm not one to agree that you train your body to adjust to deprivation.
Of course we are talking about 10+ and being very vague about the + and
or what you have ingesteted in general each day. To play Ozzie, my
"lore" suggests that you hydrate before during and after with carbs and
salt. To screw around with any of the phases is spinning the barrel and
shooting. Feed the body! Even if you don't sense any depletion your
muscles and general recovery will be very appreciative.

-DougF

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I take them with me also when out a long time, but also I take

eletrolyte

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mix with magnesium/potassium because I've always thought these

minerals are

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responsible for proper muscle function, and to help ward off cramps.

< I was

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surprised when I checked their website that Succeed caps contain only

salt

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and not other electrolytes. IMO you need both.

Only salt? Not true. ""per capsule (100 Capsules/bottle): sodium 344 mg
potassium 21 mg""

While the postassium may look light, Karl King (the creatror) keeps the
Na to K specifically at this ratio. Other products boost the K to a much
higher level which is too much in general AND increases your stomach
acidity. In an ultra when your stomach goes south, the runner ends up
with major stomach problems often creating severe dehydration from
blowing chunks and followed with a DNF.

-DougF

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towards hyponatrema, and lower your hematocrit. The best thing to

do

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on long runs is to drink as you run. I usually drink every 15-20
minutes, from 8 to 10 oz (1/4 - 1/3 liter). For longer runs (3+
hours) you need to take sodium to replace what you sweat. If it is
very hot, take sodium (eg, Succeed! caps) on 1 1/2 to 2 hour runs.

I drink before, during and after. 3 liters during the day is not that

much

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for me. That's what I'm used to. I don't think I'm in danger of
hyponatremia if my body has adjusted to this soft of quantity.

In general I have to agree with Dan. You may be getting by today with
your proclivity for simple water but in general It's not good practice.
I'm not one to agree that you train your body to adjust to deprivation.
Of course we are talking about 10+ and being very vague about the + and
or what you have ingesteted in general each day. To play Ozzie, my
"lore" suggests that you hydrate before during and after with carbs and
salt. To screw around with any of the phases is spinning the barrel and
shooting. Feed the body! Even if you don't sense any depletion your
muscles and general recovery will be very appreciative.

I here ya. I guess the problem I have is that I'm always consious about
my caloric intake. If feel better knowing that if I need to hydrate, I'm
not also taking in a lot of empty calories, especially if I'm not going
to be burning them up. I'd rather save my daily caloric needs for a
decent meal that's not coming out of a bottle. So what do you suggest I
drink that will not also pile on the calories?

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu

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When you are this dehydrated, your performance declines, you overheat,

you

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burn glycogen faster, and your recovery will be impared. For these

reasons

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it's much better to somehow get more liquid during your workout than
dehydrate yourself and replenish afterward.

Very true, but that was all I could get down yesterday; my system wasn't
processing as well as it normally does. It's hard to get down more than 1
liter/hour in any case.

Amazing fact: if the liquid is sloshing around and not being absorbed, your
body needs salt. In order to absorb water, your body has to excrete sodium
into it. If you're low on salt, the body hoards it, even if it means you
get more dehydrated by leaving water in the stomach. Take a Succeed! cap
and your stomach will drain, and your thirst will be stimulated.

As far as queasiness goes, consuming only carbs causes your stomach to
become acidic. This is why you need some light snacks with protein and a
bit of fat to keep things in balance. Every two hours or so, I usually
munch on some real food -- usually something with cheese which has salt,
protein, and fat -- just what you need.

-- Dan

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I here ya. I guess the problem I have is that I'm always consious

about

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my caloric intake. If feel better knowing that if I need to hydrate,

I'm

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not also taking in a lot of empty calories, especially if I'm not

going

Quoted message said:

to be burning them up. I'd rather save my daily caloric needs for a
decent meal that's not coming out of a bottle. So what do you suggest

I

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drink that will not also pile on the calories?

I understand your concern about weight. I was once a portly lad of 39
and took to running to remove all my extra chins and many extra
waistline inches. OTOH restricting you caloric input while running is
about the worst time to spin the barrel and pull the trigger. I would
expect by now you have some idea about how many calories you need to
ingest on a daily/weekly basis to keep your intake slightly negative and
continue that 1/2 to one pound loss per week. I'm suggestion that during
your run is when you need calories the most to feed your muscles and aid
in the recovery process. As side bar to weight, be careful of the scale
as the only guide. It's not unlikely that you are replacing some fat
with muscle and the scale is giving you a positive reading. This may be
a good time to have a hydrostatic body fat analysis to see where you
stand. If your 240 and 5% body fat you would have to fast for a year to
get rid of the muscle. A little humor but a fat analysis would be very
helpful.

-DougF

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"Phil M." <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I here ya. I guess the problem I have is that I'm always consious

about

Quoted message said:

my caloric intake. If feel better knowing that if I need to hydrate,

I'm

Quoted message said:

not also taking in a lot of empty calories, especially if I'm not

going

Quoted message said:

to be burning them up. I'd rather save my daily caloric needs for a
decent meal that's not coming out of a bottle. So what do you suggest

I

Quoted message said:

drink that will not also pile on the calories?

I understand your concern about weight. I was once a portly lad of 39
and took to running to remove all my extra chins and many extra
waistline inches. OTOH restricting you caloric input while running is
about the worst time to spin the barrel and pull the trigger. I would
expect by now you have some idea about how many calories you need to
ingest on a daily/weekly basis to keep your intake slightly negative

and

Quoted message said:

continue that 1/2 to one pound loss per week. I'm suggestion that

during

Quoted message said:

your run is when you need calories the most to feed your muscles and

aid

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in the recovery process. As side bar to weight, be careful of the scale
as the only guide. It's not unlikely that you are replacing some fat
with muscle and the scale is giving you a positive reading. This may be
a good time to have a hydrostatic body fat analysis to see where you
stand. If your 240 and 5% body fat you would have to fast for a year to
get rid of the muscle. A little humor but a fat analysis would be very
helpful.

I've been thinking about the fat analysis. Actually, I believe I'm very
close to if not already at my optimal running weight. I have a Taninta
bodyfat scale which shows me to be anywhere from 3 to 5% bodyfat.
However, these "bioelectrical impedance analysis" scales are never
accurate. It just give me a general idea of the direction I am heading. I
can tell just by my visible viens and muscles that I'm probably where I
should be.

How would I go about having my bodyfat clinically tested? Is this an
expensive process? Could this be done as part of an anual physical?

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu

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I've been thinking about the fat analysis. Actually, I believe I'm

very

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close to if not already at my optimal running weight. I have a Taninta
bodyfat scale which shows me to be anywhere from 3 to 5% bodyfat.

If you are at the 3-5% fat then you are at the Lance Armstrong level
and all your body weight concerns are overkill. This should be the time
where you able to eat fairly liberally with the usual attention to good
calories(not simple carbs) with a clear conscience.

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However, these "bioelectrical impedance analysis" scales are never
accurate.

Very true and 3-5% sounds way TOOOOO low but you may be the perfect
specimen.

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How would I go about having my bodyfat clinically tested? Is this an
expensive process? Could this be done as part of an anual physical?

It could be done about the same but if the real question, is it covered,
I highly doubt it. In my area the Y used to do the test for $25 but
that's here. I'd check with your local GP or health clinic to see what's
available. I'm not saying that the numbers you state are not true but
understand very few men are that low and if they come back with a number
like 8-12% don't declare yourself obese and go on a 6 months water diet.
The tables suggest that 8-19% is healthy. The again there is healthy
and there is HEALTHY.

Sam works a lot closer to this data and may be able to quote some better
numbers or places to look for Hydrostatic testing or whatever the latest
accurate protocol is.

-DougF

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I've been thinking about the fat analysis. Actually, I believe I'm

very

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close to if not already at my optimal running weight. I have a Taninta
bodyfat scale which shows me to be anywhere from 3 to 5% bodyfat.

If you are at the 3-5% fat then you are at the Lance Armstrong level
and all your body weight concerns are overkill. This should be the time
where you able to eat fairly liberally with the usual attention to good
calories(not simple carbs) with a clear conscience.

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However, these "bioelectrical impedance analysis" scales are never
accurate.

Very true and 3-5% sounds way TOOOOO low but you may be the perfect
specimen.

Yes. I'm just going by how I look, how I feel, and how my training is
progressing. So far I have not reduced my fat level to the point where I
am hindering my running. So I guess I'm OK. Of course that's a guess
given my current bofyfat measuring method.

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How would I go about having my bodyfat clinically tested? Is this an
expensive process? Could this be done as part of an anual physical?

It could be done about the same but if the real question, is it

covered,

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I highly doubt it. In my area the Y used to do the test for $25 but
that's here. I'd check with your local GP or health clinic to see

what's

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available. I'm not saying that the numbers you state are not true but
understand very few men are that low and if they come back with a

number

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like 8-12% don't declare yourself obese and go on a 6 months water

diet.

Hmmmm...it's scary how well you know me. ;-)

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The tables suggest that 8-19% is healthy. The again there is healthy
and there is HEALTHY.

Tables schmables. Aren't those tables more or less for the general
population? Since I run and I want to run the fastest marathon time that
I can, I should be well below any normal table. Is there a table out
there that suggests bodyfat percentages for a "competitive" 47-year-old
runner? I seem to recall Bob Glover's book having something on this. I
believe the elites at my height (5' 10"😉 are less than 140 lbs. Given my
body mass, I don't think this is realistic or safe. I'm currently 160 lbs
and appear to be pretty damn thin as it is.

Phil M.

--
If you can empty your own boat
Crossing the river of the world,
No one will oppose you,
No one will seek to harm you. -Chuang Tzu

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I take them with me also when out a long time, but also I take

eletrolyte

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mix with magnesium/potassium because I've always thought these

minerals are

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responsible for proper muscle function, and to help ward off cramps.

< I was

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surprised when I checked their website that Succeed caps contain only

salt

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and not other electrolytes. IMO you need both.

Only salt? Not true. ""per capsule (100 Capsules/bottle): sodium 344 mg
potassium 21 mg""

I stand corrected.

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While the postassium may look light, Karl King (the creatror) keeps the
Na to K specifically at this ratio. Other products boost the K to a much
higher level which is too much in general AND increases your stomach
acidity. In an ultra when your stomach goes south, the runner ends up
with major stomach problems often creating severe dehydration from
blowing chunks and followed with a DNF.

Interesting I've never heard this before about potassium and acidity.

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-DougF

Dan Stumpus wrote in message ...

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"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote

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When you are this dehydrated, your performance declines, you overheat,

you

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burn glycogen faster, and your recovery will be impared. For these

reasons

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it's much better to somehow get more liquid during your workout than
dehydrate yourself and replenish afterward.

Very true, but that was all I could get down yesterday; my system wasn't
processing as well as it normally does. It's hard to get down more than

1

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liter/hour in any case.

Amazing fact: if the liquid is sloshing around and not being absorbed,

your

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body needs salt. In order to absorb water, your body has to excrete sodium
into it. If you're low on salt, the body hoards it, even if it means you
get more dehydrated by leaving water in the stomach. Take a Succeed! cap
and your stomach will drain, and your thirst will be stimulated.

As far as queasiness goes, consuming only carbs causes your stomach to
become acidic. This is why you need some light snacks with protein and a
bit of fat to keep things in balance. Every two hours or so, I usually
munch on some real food -- usually something with cheese which has salt,
protein, and fat -- just what you need.

-- Dan

Yes I too nibble on something with protien during longer runs, usually a
protien bar of some kind.