you want something solid at axleheight you can put your frontwheel against. To high or low a bumper, a rotating wheel or to much overhang on the truck increases the risks a lot.
Trikes (upright variety) are superb for tucking in behind. A two-up trike combination can ride very close as the rear rider can touch the rear axle of the leading rider, as well as being tucked in between their wheels.
Of course it still has to be done with the agreement of both riders.
Sometimes a touch on the brakes can work wonders ;-) [1]
braking puts you immediately in the clueless category!
Agreed, 'cept braking on a fixed has much the same result as 2 below. It happens a lot in track racing, but shouldn't be done on the road.
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'accepted' behaviour consists of 1 blowing your nose (sorry, didn't realise..) 2 throw your bike rearwards when you stand on the pedals 3 (for the really difficult cases) ride on the edge of a deep pothole.
: 2 throw your bike rearwards when you stand on the pedals
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Looking for the definitive answer, we (TINW) all realise that drafting someone saves alot of energy but does the person bieng "drafted"(?) have to do extra work or is it a "please don't invade my space" thing that means people don't like being drafted by perfect strangers ? -- yours S
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Wheelsucking is advantageous because the leading rider opens the space in the air for the sucker to ride through. A sole rider still has to do this so he does not work harder if there is someone wheelsucking. Get your mate to suck your wheel then arrange for him to drop off, you won't realise he has gone.
I think people simply consider it rude to take a free (reduced cost) ride without the other persons knowledge.
Something else to think about is the risk of the drafter getting it wrong, and clipping wheels. I can imagine that it might be slightly concerning if someone's glued to your back wheel and you have no idea if they have much experience doing that.
Works both ways, of course - know knows that the draftee's about to do, if they don't know you're there..
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Something else to think about is the risk of the drafter getting it wrong, and clipping wheels. I can imagine that it might be slightly concerning if someone's glued to your back wheel and you have no idea if they have much experience doing that.
BTDT. University club ride, all of us young and foolish, especially me. I wasn't concentrating hard enough and got a couple of inches overlap with the rider in front. We rubbed wheels for a couple of seconds, but I managed to stay upright. Unfortunately the lass behind me overlapped me while I was doing this, and I think I was probably swinging the back of the bike around a bit trying to keep upright, and she went down.
(In my defence I'm reasonably sure I didn't drop back from the guy in front, so the overlap behind me wasn't entirely my fault. But this was all some years ago).
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Marc Brett said:
However, an acquaintance of mine and an Olympic cycling hopeful was
killed
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trying to draft a dump truck, so be sure your leader knows he's being
followed.
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you want something solid at axleheight you can put your frontwheel against. To high or low a bumper, a rotating wheel or to much overhang on the truck increases the risks a lot.
When I were lad it were buses, no risk of going under. Part of the fun was leaving a tyre mark in the muck on the bus when it braked. Not something I'd do now as the buses have got faster while I've got slower, seriously though had there been a pothole or dodgy manhole cover there would have been absolutely no warning.
Going back to the original post I'd not wheelsuck a rider I didn't know, if I'd caught him/her up I'd maybe chat and then go off at my own pace. If they'd caught me up (more likely) and looked like it was genuine I'd already know they were better than me and there'd be nothing to prove or gain by pacing them. If they looked as if they'd put in a special effort to catch me I'd let them get a small distance ahead so I could judge their performance and choose my time to blow them off :-)
Looking for the definitive answer, we (TINW) all realise that drafting someone saves alot of energy but does the person bieng "drafted"(?) have to do extra work or is it a "please don't invade my space" thing that means people don't like being drafted by perfect strangers ?
If anything, it speeds up the lead rider marginally by preventing large eddies forming behind him. It's more a "get on the front and do your fair share" thing.
you want something solid at axleheight you can put your frontwheel against. To high or low a bumper, a rotating wheel or to much overhang on the truck increases the risks a lot.
Buses are good. But you have to know where all the bus stops are.
BTDT. University club ride, all of us young and foolish, especially me. I wasn't concentrating hard enough and got a couple of inches overlap with the rider in front. We rubbed wheels for a couple of seconds, but I managed to stay upright. Unfortunately the lass behind me overlapped me while I was doing this, and I think I was probably swinging the back of the bike around a bit trying to keep upright, and she went down.
(In my defence I'm reasonably sure I didn't drop back from the guy in front, so the overlap behind me wasn't entirely my fault. But this was all some years ago).
cheers, clive
AFAIK it's the rear person's lookout to avoid going down, you shouldn't feel bad about this at all. Of course you do your best to stay predictable, but it's the drafter's lookout.
The "[censored]" bit was the executive summary of my feeling towards you for making jokes about causing bodily harm where a polite word ("Would you please keep a little distance, I don't like being being drafted, I'd rather ride alone"😉 would be appropriate and sufficient.
Ewoud, I think you may have failed to understand the British sense of humour. It made me laugh, anyway.
BTW, in a uk group the default language is English, rather than American, meaning that people are "[censored]", not "[censored]" ;-)
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The "[censored]" bit was the executive summary of my feeling towards you for making jokes about causing bodily harm where a polite word ("Would you please keep a little distance, I don't like being being drafted, I'd rather ride alone"😉 would be appropriate and sufficient.
Ewoud, I think you may have failed to understand the British sense of humour. It made me laugh, anyway.
BTW, in a uk group the default language is English, rather than American, meaning that people are "[censored]", not "[censored]" ;-)
Ewoud, I think you may have failed to understand the British sense of humour. It made me laugh, anyway.
The evidence is overwhelming; he's British and thought it was funny, you're British and find it funny, and I am not and do not.
Look, maybe I overreacted. I just get angry when people are inconsiderate, especially cars towards me on bike (because that's where I encounter it most frequently). Then a fellow cyclist jokes about the second dirtiest trick in the book! (after frame pump in wheel). A joke that I wouldn't have given a second look if it were not for the fact that it needed a smilie *and* a disclaimer. Including both just seemed a little over the top, like he actually *did* mean it. And I hate disclaimers, especially in semi-formal format in mail/posts.
Sigh. What a fuss. I'm really not that worked up. I love you all, it's true! I'm relaxed now, hommmmmmmm.
Oh, and isn't donkeypit friendlier than anal cavity?
you want something solid at axleheight you can put your frontwheel against. To high or low a bumper, a rotating wheel or to much overhang on the truck increases the risks a lot.
Buses are good. But you have to know where all the bus stops are.
The ones in Edinburgh are quite good, a Bus Stopping sign lights up inside when someone wants off. I can remember a time when I used to try to draw lines along the back of buses with my front wheel. -- Mark
3 (for the really difficult cases) ride on the edge of a deep pothole.
Surely this is as bad as braking? If you are aware there is a rider on your tail and you fail to warn them of such dangers you are showing little regard for their safety.
My answer to unwanted drafters is to just ride faster so they can't keep up. I got into a bit of an impromptu race the other day with such a situation - great fun. I won of course - at least, I was ahead of him coming round Hyde Park Corner (admittedly due to superior traffic negotiating skills rather than pure speed) and then he went off in a different direction.
3 (for the really difficult cases) ride on the edge of a deep pothole.
Surely this is as bad as braking? If you are aware there is a rider on your tail and you fail to warn them of such dangers you are showing little regard for their safety.
Shouldn't the rider behind always be able to see where they are riding and to be able to pull up in the distance they can see to be clear? Some 'friendly' advice on this _may_ be possible, but if they choose to ignore it then it is hardly your fault if they come a cropper.
