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Crit Strat & Tac?

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  1. In one of the strategy books I've been reading, the author
    says something along the lines of:

    "A crit tactic for moving up is taking the
    outside line as you move into a corner. Use it
    sparingly as it'll annoy the pack and be
    prepared for someone to call you on it."

    My question is why is that frowned upon?
    If it works, what the hell?

    For a buncha dopers, ya'll get pretty queeny.

    :-)

    KA
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  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Keith Alexander) said:

    In one of the strategy books I've been reading, the author
    says something along the lines of:

    "A crit tactic for moving up is taking the
    outside line as you move into a corner. Use it
    sparingly as it'll annoy the pack and be
    prepared for someone to call you on it."

    My question is why is that frowned upon?
    If it works, what the hell?

    Well, a typical corner will see one or two lines form as riders file
    through. Most of the time nobody should try to move at all approaching a
    corner, since the pack is naturally going to slow down and then dive in.

    This trick takes advantage of the slowing of the pack, but it's
    effectively blocking riders inside you from taking the fastest line
    through. So it's really cheap, since you're taking advantage of the
    course instead of just pedaling to the front on a straight.

    Never go up the inside,
    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
    Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>, Ryan

    Cousineau said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Keith Alexander) said:

    In one of the strategy books I've been reading, the author
    says something along the lines of:

    "A crit tactic for moving up is taking the
    outside line as you move into a corner. Use it
    sparingly as it'll annoy the pack and be
    prepared for someone to call you on it."

    My question is why is that frowned upon?
    If it works, what the hell?

    Well, a typical corner will see one or two lines form as riders file
    through. Most of the time nobody should try to move at all approaching a
    corner, since the pack is naturally going to slow down and then dive in.

    This trick takes advantage of the slowing of the pack, but it's
    effectively blocking riders inside you from taking the fastest line
    through. So it's really cheap, since you're taking advantage of the
    course instead of just pedaling to the front on a straight.

    Never go up the inside,

    If we assume that the book's advice is for packs that will normally
    take the corner as fast as possible then anybody who tries to go around
    on the outside will probably find themselves pinched against the curb
    on the exit, but this book isn't intended for these packs. It's for
    novices who would try to learn about racing from a book.

    In this case there is usually plenty of room around the outside of the
    turn without having to infringe on anybody else who is taking a decent
    line through the corner. The greater problem is that in novice packs
    the riders will often make mistakes during the turn and virtually all
    crashes or bobbles will end up right in the line taken by a rider going
    around the outside and he will get to be in the crash too.

    -WG

  4. warren <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    but this book isn't intended for these packs. It's for
    novices who would try to learn about racing from a book.

    *** Perhaps. But the novice who is studying this book
    and everything else he can get his hands on is also training,
    racing, eating right and generally picking the brains of anyone
    worhwhile.

    Thanks for the rest of the reply.

    KA
    ---
    www.nootrope.net

  5. If the outside line is open (even remotely) then take it. You will slow
    less and it general its smoother. I don't think it annoys anyone either
    or they don't say anything to me. The inside line, well, thats another
    story. The difference is that on the inside line *you* can push someone
    out and on the outside line *someone* can pinch you. There are
    exceptions and caveats. For example: towards the end of a race guys
    won't normally let you take it, more precisely pass on the outside. The
    big caveat is that the outside is *more* dangerous -- if a rider hits
    his pedal to your inside he'll usually come your way ;-).

    Bottom line: many times if you have the bike handling skills and the
    nerve the outside line will let you carry more speed -- less
    accelerating out of the corner.

    Keith Alexander said:

    In one of the strategy books I've been reading, the author
    says something along the lines of:

    "A crit tactic for moving up is taking the
    outside line as you move into a corner. Use it
    sparingly as it'll annoy the pack and be
    prepared for someone to call you on it."

    My question is why is that frowned upon?
    If it works, what the hell?

    For a buncha dopers, ya'll get pretty queeny.

    :-)

    KA
    ---
    www.nootrope.net

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