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  1. Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC

    LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    sites)) said on Thursday.

    American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    Hamilton faced losing his gold medal if his B test at the Olympics had
    been positive.

    The 33-year-old was suspended on Wednesday by his Phonak team.
    Hamilton has been told he gave a positive test after winning a time
    trial during this month's Tour of Spain.

    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=577&e=1&u=/nm/20040923/sp_nm/cycling_hamilton_ioc_dc

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    Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC

    LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    sites)) said on Thursday.

    American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    I wonder if the Tyler Hamilton Foundation will run a full page ad in
    Velonews:

    "Congratulations Tyler on a non-conclusive because of a lack of enough
    intact red blood cells!"

    His punishment will be that Haven will make him keep the Gold on the mantle.
    Imagine having to look at that day in and day out if you are him.

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    Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC
    LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    sites)) said on Thursday.
    American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.

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    Alex

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    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.


    No, the B test was inconclusive because there "weren't enough intact red
    blood cells" to do the test. This is not the same as a negative test - it
    means that they don't know because they couldn't perform the test properly.
    The A test was positive, but according to the rules you need both A+B to be
    positive (pun intended) to be positive. Like in the Vuelta.

    Jeff

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    Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC
    LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    sites)) said on Thursday.
    American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.

    2 postive, one inconclusive, no negatives.

  6. On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:58:04 -0400, Alex Rodriguez <[email hidden]>

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    Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC
    LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    sites)) said on Thursday.
    American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.

    Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed it,
    so no second test was run.

    CLB

  7. quote='Musashi'On Thu said:


    2 postive, one inconclusive, no negatives.

    CLIPPED FROM YAHOO SPORTS:
    Though Hamilton was cleared of any Olympic doping violation, a similar backup blood test came back positive from the Spanish Vuelta, his Swiss racing team Phonak said. That test was conducted Sept. 11.

    I believe that makes two positives, right?

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    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    Quoted message said:
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    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.


    No, the B test was inconclusive because there "weren't enough intact red
    blood cells" to do the test. This is not the same as a negative test - it
    means that they don't know because they couldn't perform the test properly.
    The A test was positive, but according to the rules you need both A+B to be
    positive (pun intended) to be positive. Like in the Vuelta.

    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward. Doesn't
    matter why it wasn't positive. I think it is pretty stupid for WADA, or
    who ever did the test, to post reasons why a sample was negative. It implies
    that the person being tested got off on a technicality and that they really
    are guilty.
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    Alex

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    > Olympic Champion Hamilton in the Clear - IOC
    > LONDON (Reuters) - Olympic time trial champion Tyler Hamilton has been
    > cleared of any doping offence at the Athens Olympics, the
    > International Olympic Committee (news - web sites) (IOC (news - web
    > sites)) said on Thursday.
    > American Hamilton had been told he gave a positive A, or first, test
    > for a blood transfusion in Athens on August 18 but the IOC said in a
    > statement that the result of the B, or second, test was
    > "non-conclusive because of a lack of enough intact red blood cells."

    He got off because they could not perform the B test?

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.

    2 postive, one inconclusive, no negatives.

    Inconclusive = not positive = negative.
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    Alex

  10. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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    Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed it,
    so no second test was run.

    Same difference. If they couldn't get a positive from the second sample,
    not matter what the reason, then it was a negative.
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    Alex

  11. "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    It implies

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    that the person being tested got off on a technicality and that they
    really
    are guilty.

    If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it
    probably is a duck.

    And the duck quacked real loud in Spain.

  12. Alex Rodriguez said:

    If it wasn't positive, it is negative.

    There are just 10 kinds of people; those who understand ternary, those
    who don't, and those ignorant of the whole concept.

  13. TM said:


    2 postive, one inconclusive, no negatives.

    Two sets of tests. The ones from the olympics (2 of them) were tests A
    and B. A was positive. If A is positive they check B to see if it was
    right. B sample was degenerated.

    The other positive was from another set of tests. I haven't heard if
    there is a B for that or not.

  14. quote='Ewoud Dronkert'On Thu said:

    If it wasn't positive, it is negative.

    There are just 10 kinds of people; those who understand ternary, those
    who don't, and those ignorant of the whole concept.[/QUOTE]LOL!

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    LOL!

  15. "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?

    Jeff

  16. Musashi said:
    TM said:

    2 postive, one inconclusive, no negatives.

    Two sets of tests. The ones from the olympics (2 of them) were tests A
    and B. A was positive. If A is positive they check B to see if it was
    right. B sample was degenerated.

    The other positive was from another set of tests. I haven't heard if
    there is a B for that or not.

    Positive. No surprise. If you come up positive on two or three (Romandie?)
    separate occasions, the test was no fluke.

    His only defense is, as it was, that the test is an invalid indicator of
    doping in his case.

    Dan

  17. Tyler cleared?

    Alex, let me guess... you're voting for Bush.

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    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?

    Jeff


    POM!

  19. Jeff Jones said:


    "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?

    In positive logic zero is "false."

    In negative logic zero is "true."

    LOL

  20. Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed it,
    so no second test was run.

    CLB[/QUOTE]

    CLB, Do you have a source for the 'frozen B sample' statement?

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