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  1. never_doped said:

    Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed it,
    so no second test was run.

    CLB

    CLB, Do you have a source for the 'frozen B sample' statement?[/QUOTE]

    I got it:

    LONDON (AP) -- Helped by a laboratory's big blunder, Tyler Hamilton will be allowed to keep his Olympic cycling gold medal.

    The International Olympic Committee dropped its investigation Thursday into a blood test from the Summer Games that showed Hamilton used a transfusion to boost his endurance. The decision was made only because the Athens lab mistakenly put his backup sample in a deep freeze -- not because the IOC believes he was clean.

    Hamilton, who declared he is "100 percent innocent," tested positive for blood doping on Aug. 19 after his time-trial victory. But the finding could not be confirmed because there were not enough intact red blood cells in the second sample, the IOC said.

    An athlete is considered guilty of doping only when both samples from a drug test come back positive.

    Hamilton had been in danger of becoming the first American athlete to lose an Olympic gold medal for a drug violation since swimmer Rick DeMont in 1972.

    Asked whether Hamilton had slipped through the net, IOC medical commission chairman Arne Ljungqvist said, "It's up to everyone to draw his own conclusions on that."

    Although Hamilton's gold medal is safe, he is not completely in the clear.

    Both blood samples taken from Hamilton at the Spanish Vuelta on Sept. 11 came back positive, his Swiss racing team Phonak said.

    The tests allegedly showed evidence of a transfusion with blood from another person. Blood transfusions can boost endurance by pumping oxygen-rich red blood cells to the muscles.

    It's up to the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and the International Cycling Union to decide whether to take action against Hamilton for the positive tests in Spain. If found guilty of blood doping, the 33-year-old cyclist could face a two-year ban from the sport.

    Cycling spokesman Enrico Carpani said the federation would not comment until USADA had dealt with the case. The U.S. body, which handles cases involving American athletes, has 30 days to deliver its findings to the cycling federation, he said.

    Phonak plans to investigate the accuracy of the new tests.

    "Since the new method is an effort based on probability and interpretation measurements, uncertainties will remain in this examination and procedure in any case," the team said.

    Phonak said Hamilton is suspended from racing but remains on the team, pending the review.

    Hamilton, a former teammate of Lance Armstrong, could not be reached for comment after the IOC announcement. But earlier, in a statement on the Phonak Web site, he said, "I am sure that the gold medal that I worked so hard for will stay in my hands.

    "I guarantee that I represented the United States of America as an honest, clean and proud athlete."'

    Hamilton said he would support the team's inquiry to "prove my innocence."

    "I am confident that its result will bring me back to cycling soon so I can pursue my dream of winning the Tour de France," he said.

    The IOC said it was informed Aug. 22 by the drug lab in Athens that Hamilton's blood sample produced a "suspicious result." A group of experts studied the case and concluded Sept. 16 that the sample was positive.

    The IOC set up a disciplinary panel to deal with the matter. But the IOC was informed Wednesday that Hamilton's backup sample was "nonconclusive" and the panel dismissed the case.

    The IOC said the blood testing method -- devised by Australian researchers -- was authorized by the World Anti-Doping Agency after being validated by international scientists.

    "We're perfectly satisfied that the test properly implemented is entirely reliable," WADA chief [censored] Pound told The Associated Press. "But how the test was applied or what was analyzed and all that sort of stuff, I don't know."

    Ljungqvist said the Athens lab erred by deep-freezing Hamilton's second specimen instead of refrigerating it. As a result, the blood cells deteriorated and the sample could not be analyzed.

    While urine samples and blood plasma are usually deep-frozen, full blood samples should not be. Ljungqvist called it an "unfortunate accident."

    He attributed the mistake to the drug lab's heavy workload _ around 3,000 samples were analyzed, a 50 percent increase over previous Olympics -- and the fact that the blood-doping test was used for the first time at the games.

    Ljungqvist stressed that the test itself, including the initial positive finding, was reliable.

    "The outcome of the B analysis has nothing to do with the method," he said. "It's simply because the blood sample was unfortunately destroyed and could not be analyzed."

  2. Jeff Jones said:


    "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?

    http://home.ubalt.edu/ntsbarsh/zero/ZERO.HTM
    http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/HistTopics/Zero.html
    http://www.fact-index.com/z/ze/zero.html
    http://www.maa.org/reviews/zero2.html

    Get back to us if these answer your question.

    http://www.programmershelp.co.uk/docs/phpmanual/language.types.boolean.html
    http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/cclass/notes/sx3c.html
    http://www.cs.unr.edu/~fredrick/class/201/lecture/Week3_Boolean.html

    http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Mathematicians/Boole.html
    http://www.kerryr.net/pioneers/boole.htm

    http://www.google.com/search?q=george+boole&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1

  3. Quoted message said:

    Alex, let me guess... you're voting for Bush.

    Alex=Douche Bag

  4. Quoted message said:

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.

    ----------------
    Alex

    Which is not the same as innocent, alas.

    M

  5. CLB tx for the London article. holy [censored]

  6. Alex Rodriguez said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    Moron:

    B sample was not negative. They deep froze it and made it useless for
    testing.

    Allegedly.

  7. Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]


    says...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed


    it,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so no second test was run.

    Same difference. If they couldn't get a positive from the second


    sample,

    Quoted message said:

    not matter what the reason, then it was a negative.


    Goddamm.

    You are stupid.

  8. Kurgan Gringioni said:
    Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]


    says...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Not negative. They mistakenly froze the B sample, which destroyed


    it,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so no second test was run.

    Same difference. If they couldn't get a positive from the second


    sample,

    Quoted message said:

    not matter what the reason, then it was a negative.


    Goddamm.

    You are stupid.

    Right on. In Scotland, whilst the Law is, in most respects the same or at
    least very similar to that of the rest of the DisUnited Kweendom,, in Criminal
    cases there is an alternative verdict a jury may return.

    It is ``Not Proven'' meaning that the Crown (who prosecutes alleged Felons
    over there) was unable to bring sufficient evidence to prove Guilt even though
    the Gut Feeling of the Jury, based on the evidence, was that the [censored] was
    Guilty as Charged.

    It seems to me that a ``Not Proven'' verdict is tailor made for Hamilton.

    --
    le Vent a Dos, Davey Crockett
    Six Day Site: http://sixday.741.com/
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  9. Illustration please.

    "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Alex Rodriguez said:

    If it wasn't positive, it is negative.

    There are just 10 kinds of people; those who understand ternary, those
    who don't, and those ignorant of the whole concept.

  10. In article <[email hidden]>,
    jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?

    Neither.
    ----------
    Alex

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Alex Rodriguez said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    Quoted message said:

    Moron:

    Most people put their sig at the end of their post.

    Quoted message said:

    B sample was not negative. They deep froze it and made it useless for
    testing.
    Allegedly.

    If it wasn't positive, then it was negative. No matter what the reason.
    Had it not been negative, then he would not have been able to keep his
    gold medal.
    ----------------
    Alex

  12. "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Alex Rodriguez" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    So what is zero, positive or negative?


    Zero is non-negative

  13. In article
    <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Right on. In Scotland, whilst the Law is, in most respects the same or at
    least very similar to that of the rest of the DisUnited Kweendom,, in Criminal
    cases there is an alternative verdict a jury may return.

    It is ``Not Proven'' meaning that the Crown (who prosecutes alleged Felons
    over there) was unable to bring sufficient evidence to prove Guilt even though
    the Gut Feeling of the Jury, based on the evidence, was that the [censored] was
    Guilty as Charged.

    It seems to me that a ``Not Proven'' verdict is tailor made for Hamilton.

    I would agree with this. But in this case that verdict is not an option.
    There are only two options. Positive or negative. For a positive verdict
    his two samples have to test positive. If they both dont' test positive,
    not matter what the reason, then the verdict is negative. Pretty straight
    forward to understand. I don't see why so many people are missing that.
    --------------
    Alex

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Tyler cleared?

    Only his olympic tests.

    Quoted message said:

    Alex, let me guess... you're voting for Bush.

    No, and my postings so far should make it obvious. Bush and the idiots he
    appointed are all for taking away many of the rights we have. When there
    are rules in place and you try to circumvent the rules, like trying to say
    non-test is a positive, then you are doing the same thing. Trying to step
    on someone elses rights.
    --------------
    Alex

  15. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No, his guilt could not be proven because the B test was negative.
    ----------------
    Alex

    Quoted message said:

    Which is not the same as innocent, alas.

    True. He may well have been doing something wrong, but it could not be
    proven. Just because it could not be proven does not mean he did not
    do it.
    ----------------
    Alex

  16. Alex Rodriguez said:

    There are only two options. Positive or negative. For a positive verdict
    his two samples have to test positive. If they both dont' test positive,
    not matter what the reason, then the verdict is negative. Pretty straight
    forward to understand. I don't see why so many people are missing that.

    You are ALMOST there, but still confusing two things. The test can be
    either positive, negative or inconclusive. The verdict is either guilty
    or not guilty (of a doping offence, according to the rules in effect).
    As it is, a negative or inconclusive test leads to a not-guilty verdict.
    In Hamilton's case, after 3 positives and 1 inconclusive because of a
    destroyed sample, I think we can all agree that the not-guilty verdict
    is purely administrative in nature. At the very least, doubts remain.

  17. Alex Rodriguez said:


    If it wasn't positive, then it was negative. No matter what the
    reason. Had it not been negative, then he would not have been able to
    keep his gold medal.


    You're clearly being hard-headed just for fun; nobody can be so obtuse. It
    was neither positive nor negative because the result was not clear. Was
    Schrodinger's cat there, or wasn't it? Nobody can know for sure, and so it
    is with Tyler's B sample.

  18. [email hidden] wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    CLB tx for the London article. holy [censored]

    the NYTimes has a good story on the testing and results today. It
    explains how the test works, and it's pretty compelling. I'm just glad
    Tugboat isn't alive to see this.

  19. Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Alex Rodriguez said:


    If it wasn't positive, it is negative. Pretty straight forward.

    Quoted message said:

    Moron:

    Most people put their sig at the end of their post.

    Quoted message said:

    B sample was not negative. They deep froze it and made it useless


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    testing.
    Allegedly.

    If it wasn't positive, then it was negative. No matter what the


    reason.

    Quoted message said:

    Had it not been negative, then he would not have been able to keep


    his

    Quoted message said:

    gold medal.

    Dumbass -

    Am I right handed or left handed?

    You don't know? Well, then I must be right-handed.
    K. Gringioni
    ambidexterous

  20. On 24 Sep 2004 21:01:23 -0700, [email hidden] (remove the

    polite word to reply) said:

    As a a psychologist, I know that even with "objective" psychological
    tests, who is doing the actual administration and scoring of the test
    can be much more important than the theoretical validity of test.

    For this reason, it seems irreponsible for he IOC to even come out
    with the damning, botched test they _tried_ to do. They botched half
    of it, and still saw fit to smear this guy, even when they obviously
    haven't got their practices to a true professional level.

    Seems to me that a decent lawyer could destroy the case just based on
    faulty chain of custody, given the alleged messiness of the lab and
    soforth.

    And now, they've even got a new standard (the Euro standard?) where
    athletes can be DQ-ed without even clear evidence, just the preponderance
    of suspicion or some dopey thing I can't even follow (can anyone clarify
    this). I heard it on the Olympics talking about track runners, and
    apparently it's been the standard in Europe but not in America, which up
    till now required hard evidence.

    Much, too much emotion involved here, especially with something that's not
    even harmful to society like hard drugs, and in which pro athletes keep
    getting second and third chances.

    Of course this doesn't make doping in cycling right...but it's just crazy
    acting like these guys are murders and ewe-doers and stuff. IMO.

    -B

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