Ouch!!!!

the.Mark said:

My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

And given the funding crisis, I shudder to think how long that
toothbrush'd been in the orthodontics dept first....

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Velvet

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My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

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I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

Common practice. Some use nail brushes! I tended to prefer a dry gauze swab.

Seriously, it's really important to get all the muck out of a wound.

I hope son's friend heals well.

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the.Mark said:

My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me
cringe was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth
brush.

There's worse -- they make you do it yourself! I once attended A&E with
burns from an electrical plug full of water blowing up in my hand. I
was given a tin of Swarfega and a nail brush and told to clean the
plastic out of the wounds. When I said, somewhat plaintively, "Can't
you do it?" the answer was "It will hurt a lot less if you do."

The most recent two trips to A&E have been cycling related, but involved
blood and large needles, so you probably would be happier not knowing
the details....

Mike

the.Mark said:

My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

I hope the person with tonsilitis was ahead of him in the queue, and the
ones with VD and piles were later!

James
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by treading on the toes of giants.
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the.Mark wrote:

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My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

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I hope the person with tonsilitis was ahead of him in the queue, and the
ones with VD and piles were later!

The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

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Mike Causer said:

The most recent two trips to A&E have been cycling related, but involved
blood and large needles, so you probably would be happier not knowing
the details....

I'm dreading tomorrow - a visit back to the hospital after last
weekend's trip to A&E my first non-cycling related visit for many many years.
I've presently a fractured nose, a couple of fractured ribs and lots of
bruising after a completely unprovoked assault last Saturday. Now the
swelling's gone down they want to assess for what they call 'cosmetic re-adjustment'.

All I want is them to fix it so I can take the trice out for a camping
weekend at a music fest on Saturday.

John B

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My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

That was the way 15 years ago as well. Still the best way to clean grit out
of wounds.

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The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

Yeah right! We are talking about the NHS aren't we?

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I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

EEEWWWW! I do hope it was a sterile, previously unused toothbrush!

Cheers, helen s

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

Dettol, innit?

James
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The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

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Yeah right! We are talking about the NHS aren't we?

Yes. I don't think it would be a 'previously unused' toothbrush though.

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James Annan said:

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I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me
cringe was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth
brush.

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I hope the person with tonsilitis was ahead of him in the queue, and
the ones with VD and piles were later!

Ah, the old "wire brush and Dettol" joke - thanks for saving me the bother
;-)

Guy
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the.Mark said:

My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me
cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

And given the funding crisis, I shudder to think how long that
toothbrush'd been in the orthodontics dept first....

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Velvet

Except this is the Scottish NHS which is not under-funded and is doing
very well.

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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

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The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

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Dettol, innit?

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James

Autoclave (hot steam) hacksherlly.

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Autoclave (hot steam) hacksherlly.

I do hate to say it, but if autoclaving is not done these
days for hypodermic needles, why would it be acceptable for
toothbrushes?
And you'd expect packs of cheap brushes to be the same cost as
sterile syringes, no?

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

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The toothbrushes *are* sterilised between patients...

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Yeah right! We are talking about the NHS aren't we?

Yes. I don't think it would be a 'previously unused' toothbrush though.

The scars have mostly gone, but this does bring back memories of havign
gravel scrubbed out of my arm with betadiene (sp? orange sterilising stuff)
and a nailbrush. They were kind enough to add a bit of lignocaine to the
first wash so it didn't hurt very much.

...d

David Martin said:

The scars have mostly gone, but this does bring back memories of havign
gravel scrubbed out of my arm with betadiene (sp? orange sterilising stuff)
and a nailbrush. They were kind enough to add a bit of lignocaine to the
first wash so it didn't hurt very much.

Our gp when I was 14 just fumbled about a bit with some tweezers. This
resulted in interesting pusformations later on when various bits and
pieces were making their way out....

Roos

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the.Mark said:

My sons friend crashed his bike on the path beside the Water of Leith
yesterday and skint his knee badly.

I could cope with the thought of loosing some skin but what made me
cringe
was hearing that at A & E they cleaned the wound with a tooth brush.

And given the funding crisis, I shudder to think how long that
toothbrush'd been in the orthodontics dept first....

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Except this is the Scottish NHS which is not under-funded and is doing
very well.

If you think waiting nearly a year to see a consultant from first referral
is 'doing very well'... and then having to wait nearly another year becasue
you were sent to the wrong specialist first time round..

...d

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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:53:36 +0100, Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

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Autoclave (hot steam) hacksherlly.

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I do hate to say it, but if autoclaving is not done these
days for hypodermic needles, why would it be acceptable for
toothbrushes?
And you'd expect packs of cheap brushes to be the same cost as
sterile syringes, no?

I doubt it.

Small syringes cost a few pence (<10p) each. They are ordered and used
in bulk, thoughout a hospital.

I don't think these economies of scale apply to toothbrushes when even a
large A&E department will only use 10 or so per day and toothbrushes may
cost around £1.

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