OT: Our son the deserter

"George Herbert Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

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TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Please excuse the inconvenience allegedly caused by our son. Send
us the bill for all the damages, and we can settle this to your
satisfaction, without any need for a public record of the incident.

Most Sincerely, George and Bar

And some may consider Kerry a turncoat. So what? In those days (60's and
70's) lots of people did things that are by todays standards, not correct.

Give it a lye, and vote on the issues instead.

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And some may consider Kerry a turncoat. So what? In those days (60's and
70's) lots of people did things that are by todays standards, not correct.

Give it a lye, and vote on the issues instead.

What? Speaking out against the Vietnam war is the same as breaking the law
or deserting his duty? Not living up to his committments? That is surely
taking Republican partisanship to new levels (everything's relative after
all--if our guy breaks the law, it's okay! But if a Democrat does something
like that, well, it shows lake of values!).

Pat in TX

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[email hidden] (George Herbert Walker) wrote in news:41-
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http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush never
made his military service an issue in his presidency and whether he served
or not doesn't really matter to the general public just like Clinton's lack
of service didn't matter.

Keep harping on it if you want but you're wasting your time with regard to
influence public opinion. The only people who care are people who are
already rabid partisons.

Kerry's not going to win this election by harping Vietnam.

"Charlie C." <[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) Kerry's not going
to win this election by harping Vietnam.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kerry's not going to win this election if he allows the lies about his
military service and his medals to go unchallenged.

Leo Lichtman said:

"Charlie C." <[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) Kerry's not
going to win this election by harping Vietnam.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kerry's not going to win this election if he allows the lies about his
military service and his medals to go unchallenged.

He's also not going to win this election if he doesn't address questions
about his 20-year voting record in the senate.

Q: Why did you vote against the first Gulf War?

A: I'm not going to have my fitness to command questioned by those who did
not serve.

Not gonna cut it.

Bill "no exaggeration, either" S.

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You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush never
made his military service an issue in his presidency and whether he served
or not doesn't really matter to the general public just like Clinton's

lack

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of service didn't matter.

Oh, but the Republicans continually harped on Clinton's lack of service,
saying it showed lack of character and lack of patriotism, and lack of
values, and obsessive self-centeredness and .....but Bush is different!
This hypocracy is astonishing on the part of the Republicans who hated
Clinton for years because of what they considered his avoidance of the
Vietnam war. Bush has shown not to have good character by his actions. It's
that simple. Of course, he wouldn't make his military service an issue---he
knows the truth about it is something to be ashamed of and only a slim cut
above being a draft dodger.

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Keep harping on it if you want but you're wasting your time with regard to
influence public opinion. The only people who care are people who are
already rabid partisons.

But, why don't the Republicans care? It is, after all, a character issue and
we all know how much Republicans harp on "values" and "character".

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Kerry's not going to win this election by harping Vietnam.

he's just trying to showcase the difference between a man of character and
one who relied upon his daddy to get him out of going to Vietnam, that's
all. I guess the Republicans can't deal with that.

Pat in TX

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

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Quoted message said:

You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush
never made his military service an issue in his presidency and
whether he served or not doesn't really matter to the general public
just like Clinton's

lack

Quoted message said:

of service didn't matter.

Oh, but the Republicans continually harped on Clinton's lack of
service, saying it showed lack of character and lack of patriotism,
and lack of values, and obsessive self-centeredness and .....but Bush
is different!

No one cared then and no one cares now. Besides, don't you think its
hypocratic that the Democrats didn't mind Clinton's behaviour during
Vietnam but are attacking Bush constantly about it.

But actually that's not the point. The point is no one cares. If Kerry
(and other Democratic attack dogs) keep harping on this issue than Kerry is
going to lose the election. It was stupid for Kerry to run as a Vietnam
war hero anyways (he wasn't one - he was there but certainly no hero). No
one cares about a 35 year old war.

There is really no excuse for putting this kind of message on the list.
Prefacing it with OT doesn't really make it better. There are countless
other places on the web set up for this type of posting. Please use one of
them.
"George Herbert Walker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm

--
TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN

Please excuse the inconvenience allegedly caused by our son. Send
us the bill for all the damages, and we can settle this to your
satisfaction, without any need for a public record of the incident.

Most Sincerely, George and Bar

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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And some may consider Kerry a turncoat. So what? In those days (60's and
70's) lots of people did things that are by todays standards, not

correct.

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Give it a lye, and vote on the issues instead.

What? Speaking out against the Vietnam war is the same as breaking the law
or deserting his duty? Not living up to his committments? That is surely
taking Republican partisanship to new levels (everything's relative after
all--if our guy breaks the law, it's okay! But if a Democrat does

something

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like that, well, it shows lake of values!).

Democrats are allowed to break laws since they never promised not to. They
are counter-culture hip, Like MC Clinton.

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Pat in TX

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush

never

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made his military service an issue in his presidency and whether he

served

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or not doesn't really matter to the general public just like Clinton's

lack

Quoted message said:

of service didn't matter.

Oh, but the Republicans continually harped on Clinton's lack of service,
saying it showed lack of character and lack of patriotism, and lack of
values, and obsessive self-centeredness and .....but Bush is different!
This hypocracy is astonishing on the part of the Republicans who hated
Clinton for years because of what they considered his avoidance of the
Vietnam war.

No, you are delusional.

Bush has shown not to have good character by his actions. It's

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that simple. Of course, he wouldn't make his military service an

issue---he

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knows the truth about it is something to be ashamed of and only a slim cut
above being a draft dodger.

Quoted message said:

Keep harping on it if you want but you're wasting your time with regard

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

influence public opinion. The only people who care are people who are
already rabid partisons.

But, why don't the Republicans care? It is, after all, a character issue

and

Quoted message said:

we all know how much Republicans harp on "values" and "character".

Quoted message said:

Kerry's not going to win this election by harping Vietnam.

he's just trying to showcase the difference between a man of character and
one who relied upon his daddy to get him out of going to Vietnam, that's
all. I guess the Republicans can't deal with that.

Pat in TX

Charlie C. said:

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush
never made his military service an issue in his presidency and
whether he served or not doesn't really matter to the general public
just like Clinton's

lack

Quoted message said:

of service didn't matter.

Oh, but the Republicans continually harped on Clinton's lack of
service, saying it showed lack of character and lack of patriotism,
and lack of values, and obsessive self-centeredness and .....but Bush
is different!

No one cared then and no one cares now. Besides, don't you think its
hypocratic that the Democrats didn't mind Clinton's behaviour during
Vietnam but are attacking Bush constantly about it.

But actually that's not the point. The point is no one cares. If
Kerry (and other Democratic attack dogs) keep harping on this issue
than Kerry is going to lose the election. It was stupid for Kerry to
run as a Vietnam war hero anyways (he wasn't one - he was there but
certainly no hero). No one cares about a 35 year old war.

Anyone happen to catch MadTV last night? It was a rerun, and one of the
skits was "American Political Idol" (or something like that). It was
obviously quite old, as it still featured John Edwards as one of the
presidential candidates. Anyway, the funny thing was their having "John
Kerry" answer everything with "when I was a war hero in Viet Nam..." and all
the people around him screaming in frustration from having heard it over and
over and over and over.

Bill "little did they know" S.

Leo Lichtman said:

"Charlie C." <[email hidden]> wrote: (clip) Kerry's not going
to win this election by harping Vietnam.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Kerry's not going to win this election if he allows the lies about his
military service and his medals to go unchallenged.

Not to worry - the Swift Boat Vets are now using only Kerry'[s own
testimony in their ads. The truth is getting clearer all the time.

Mark Hickey
Habanero Cycles
http://www.habcycles.com
Home of the $695 ti frame

OT is right. Mildly funny the first time. Merely annoying now.
Grounds for application of the 10-foot LART if it gets beyond that.
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Werehatrack said:

OT is right. Mildly funny the first time. Merely annoying now.
Grounds for application of the 10-foot LART if it gets beyond that.

Dear Werehatrack,

LART?

Carl Fogel

Pat said:

Quoted message said:

And some may consider Kerry a turncoat. So what? In those days (60's and
70's) lots of people did things that are by todays standards, not correct.

Give it a lye, and vote on the issues instead.

What? Speaking out against the Vietnam war is the same as breaking the law
or deserting his duty? Not living up to his committments? That is surely
taking Republican partisanship to new levels (everything's relative after
all--if our guy breaks the law, it's okay! But if a Democrat does something
like that, well, it shows lake of values!).

How about meeting with the KGB and North
Vietmanese while a member of the Naval Reserve?

Go read the FBI files (which are authentic, BTW).

--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

Mark Hickey said:

Not to worry - the Swift Boat Vets are now using only Kerry'[s own
testimony in their ads. The truth is getting clearer all the time.

Truth, egods that's funny! Nothing that the Swift Boat gang does has
any resemblance to truth, or honesty, or honor, or any other
redeeming human characteristic. The Kerry "testimony" that the Swift
Boat ads are using is actually Kerry recounting testimony made by
150 other veterans at a meeting in Detroit, not Kerry's first hand
knowledge. From the Kerry Senate testimony:

"[The Vietnam veterans in Detroit] told the stories at times they
had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from
portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut
off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed
villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and
dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the
countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of
war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by
the applied bombing power of this country."

--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA htttp://bike.terrymorse.com/

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Werehatrack said:

OT is right. Mildly funny the first time. Merely annoying now.
Grounds for application of the 10-foot LART if it gets beyond that.

Dear Werehatrack,

LART?

http://www.turnstep.com/Spambot/glossary.html#LART

Originally and only somewhat whimsically, the large club employed to
get the luser's attention so that system policy and instructions would
be heeded in the future. Classically, a piece of two by four about
four feet long, with regional variations.

The definition in practice has expanded beyond that.

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Pat said:

Quoted message said:

You want to know something? The general public doesn't care. Bush never
made his military service an issue in his presidency and whether he served
or not doesn't really matter to the general public just like Clinton's

lack

Quoted message said:

of service didn't matter.

Oh, but the Republicans continually harped on Clinton's lack of service,
saying it showed lack of character and lack of patriotism, and lack of
values, and obsessive self-centeredness and

And that's why they lost in 1996. You couldn't
have put up more of a well spoken war hero than
Bob Dole, and it didn't matter a bit.

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.....but Bush is different!

Yeah, he wore the uniform, Clinton didn't.

--
Scott Johnson / scottjohnson at kc dot rr dot com

Top Sirloin said:

Pat wrote:

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What? Speaking out against the Vietnam war is the same as breaking
the law or deserting his duty? Not living up to his committments?
That is surely taking Republican partisanship to new levels
(everything's relative after all--if our guy breaks the law, it's
okay! But if a Democrat does something like that, well, it shows
lake of values!).

How about meeting with the KGB and North
Vietmanese while a member of the Naval Reserve?

I've yet to hear one person "representing" the Kerry campaign address this.
It's always "well he served and his opponent didn't". Where's the media
demanding an answer?!?

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Go read the FBI files (which are authentic, BTW).

You mean they weren't created last week with a ubiquitous word processor?
PROVE IT!

Bill "strange times" S.