Zzz Is Bing Han Defective or Mark Thorson?

Dave the Spammer said:

There is a person by the name of Mark Thorson who is a well known fearmonger and a junior sheriff
of the quacks.

That's your mischaracterization -- a propaganda trick to try to get people to disregard the facts
that I post.

Quoted message said:

He continues to make posts about Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder having dangerous chemicals in it
even though he knows perfectly well that this ginseng is organically grown in a rugged mountainous
region of Korea with no roads.

Only I know what it is that I know, and I know no such thing. I have no idea where in Korea it is
grown, or what the roads are like. You are lying when you make that assertion, but lying is nothing
new for you. You have frequently lied in the past to sell your inferior ginseng product.

Quoted message said:

The information he posts is an attempt to keep this most powerful food from the people of the U.S.
This posted FDA report is an out of context report with no test data shown because there is none.
It is a fabrication. A trick.

Baloney. It is reliable information. Much more reliable information than lies from a
ginseng saleman.

Quoted message said:

He knows that this ginseng has saved the lives and restored the health of hundreds of thousands of
people in Asia and Canada. He supports the drug companies agenda in America, to stop any natural
products from being sold because it will further demonstrate the fact that GOD given remedies
exist to support our health.

Only I know what it is that I know, and I know no such thing. I don't believe your ginseng has saved
any lives, much less "hundreds of thousands". Once again, you are lying, but lying is nothing new
for you. You have frequently lied in the past to sell your inferior ginseng product.

Quoted message said:

Bing Han is not only perfectly safe, it is eaten by millions of people and is the most powerful
health booster that GOD gave to us all. If it was at all harmful it would not be for sale in the
U.S. It is legally and safely landed and being eaten by American citizens who know better.

If the FDA had reason to be concerned about residues of harmful pesticides in the product, they
would take action against its import, as they have done as recently as May of this year.

Quoting from this file: fda.govora oasis i 54.htmlOpen ↗

Refusal Actions by FDA as Recorded in OASIS

Country of Origin Entry # DOC Line Suffix Manufacture Name City / ISO Country Code District
Product Code Product Description Date Reason

[. . .]

Taiwan, Republic Of China 310-5216341-2 1 1 Bing Han Enterprises Ltdpharmaceutical Factory
Tainan , TW CIN-DO 54YBZ04 PANAX GINSENG, PERSONAL SHIPMENT 02-MAY-2003 PESTICIDES

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Subject: Zzz Is Bing Han Defective or Mark Thorson?
From: "Dave" [email hidden]
Date: 11/2/2003 8:05 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

There is a person by the name of Mark Thorson who is a well known fearmonger and a junior sheriff
of the quacks. He continues to make posts about Bing Han Refined Ginseng Powder having dangerous
chemicals in it

Mark Thorson is a lackey for Barrett. He is obsessed with repeated postings.

He never learns. The Cell Tech experience taught him nothing. He had to make a retraction. He
continually insists he didn't lie.

He is fooling no one. There is a reason for retractions.

retract:

1 : to draw back or in <cats retract their claws> 2 a : TAKE BACK, WITHDRAW <retract a confession>
b : DISAVOW

Jan

Jan the Accuser said:

He continually insists he didn't lie.

I have many times asked you for an example of one of these LIES you claim I told, and you have not
been able to post EVEN ONE example.

You have posted examples of what OTHER PEOPLE have said about my postings, but those are not
examples of any statement I made which is a LIE.

You have posted statement you made by assembling fragments of my statements together to form new
statements, but those are not examples of statements I made.

You have NEVER posted an example of any whole statement I made which is a lie. I have asked you to
back up your accusation with an example of one of these lies you claim I told, but you never do. You
usually just ignore my request -- as though it does not matter whether I actually told a lie or not.

That is the way you work -- you make FALSE accusations in an attempt to smear the reputation of
honest people, then ignore any requests to back up those accusations with any evidence.

You have no morals. You have no shame. You are a despicable human being.

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement. He is like the poor
misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to understand. He is a
publicly proven liar. He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional products
contain dangerous chemicals. He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this is
classed as a psychopathic condition. Anyway, here's his last self destructive run.

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Does Super Blue Green Algae contain Anatoxin-a?(posted 6-19-01)

One individual was responsible for a great deal of miscommunication regarding anatoxin-a,
information which is still accessible on many Internet sites. Cell Tech sued Mark Thorson for
posting defamatory statements about Cell Tech, its products and its personnel to various Internet or
Usenet news groups. Cell Tech's lawsuit against Mr. Thorson has now been settled. As part of the
settlement agreement, Mr. Thorson has posted the Retraction Statement that appears below. Although
he did retract the allegations that he had been widely circulating, we all know that one cannot,
with a single correct statement, undo all the harm done by many mis-statements that continue to
circulate.

The following is a retraction statement that Mark Thorson was ordered to post to various newsgroups:

Subject: Retraction of Anatoxin-a Primer

During the last several years, I have from time to time posted to this and other newsgroups a
file of information called "An Anatoxin-a Primer." I now retract the statements made in the
Anatoxin-a Primer.

The Anatoxin-a Primer implied that Super Blue Green Algae from Klamath Lake, produced by Cell Tech,
contains anatoxin-a (a neurotoxin I characterized as addictive), and that Cell Tech deliberately
avoids testing for this toxin because anatoxin-a is responsible for the effects reported by SBGA
users. I have since been advised that Cell Tech conducts regular tests that would disclose anatoxin-
a, and that this toxin has never been found in Super Blue Green Algae. I had no basis for the
suggestions I made in the Anatoxin-a Primer, and I hereby retract it in full.

In said:

Jan the Accuser said:

He continually insists he didn't lie.

I have many times asked you for an example of one of these LIES you claim I told, and you have not
been able to post EVEN ONE example.

That can't be true. Jan herself has told us (and Jan never lies: she told us that too) that she
always proves her claims.

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Dave the Spammer said:

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

You have lied many times to sell your product.

For example, you said: "The FDA lab detected some pesticides at a level that is below Canadian and
European requirements. It should be noted that these pesticides are produced naturally in the
growing fields and are not man made."

That is not true. TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also known as BENZENE
HEXACHLORIDE) are synthetic chemicals.

As another example, you said: "Ginseng is food. It cannot harm you or conflict with medications,
because it is food."

That is not true. Quoting from: people.virginia.eduv4n5.htmOpen ↗

Ginseng is contraindicated in asthma, renal failure, Stage 2 or higher hypertension, acute
inflammatory or infectious diseases, bronchitis and emphysema, chronic diseases of the
gastrointestinal tract (i.e., diverticulitis, gastroesophageal reflux disease), heart failure,
arrhythmias, edema, insomnia, anxiety, pregnancy, and breast-feeding. Reported adverse effects of
ginseng include insomnia, nervousness, excitation, diarrhea, and skin disorders.

Little is known about drug interactions with ginseng; however, the literature contains two case
reports describing ginseng drug interactions. A patient previously well controlled on warfarin
therapy experienced a loss of anticoagulant control (subtherapeutic INR) after the initiation of
ginseng. In addition, a patient taking both ginseng and digoxin experienced an elevated digoxin
level. Because objective scientific data documenting therapeutic benefits of ginseng are lacking,
the role of ginseng as a legitimate therapeutic agent is neither established nor accepted by the
medical community.

Quoted message said:

Mark Thorson is a person who posts lies to fighten people for his own amusement.

No, I post about the dangers of your ginseng to inform the public, so they have the complete
information that they should know.

Quoted message said:

He is like the poor misguided young terrorists whose motives are impossible for the rest of us to
understand. He is a publicly proven liar.

Baloney. What you call "lies" are facts obtained from reliable sources.

Quoted message said:

He appears to specialize in saying that naturally grown nutritional products contain dangerous
chemicals.

On the contrary, a product containing TECNAZENE, QUINTOZENE, HEXACHLOROBENZENE, and LINDANE (also
known as BENZENE HEXACHLORIDE) cannot be naturally grown.

Quoted message said:

He has been warned once by Bing Han but still persists. I think this is classed as a psychopathic
condition. Anyway, here's his last self destructive run.

I have received no communication directly from Bing Han. The only communication I have received is
indirectly from you, posted in Usenet newsgroups. Because of your history of lying, I cannot believe
any of your statements to be factual.

I'm sure you wish you could suppress the truth about Bing Han ginseng by bluff and bluster. You seem
to be very threatened by it.

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Dave said:

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

You sell a remarkably-overpriced and not particularly remarkable type of ginseng. You have shown no
evidence of being "spiritual" and have been caught lying on many occasions. (For example, about the
nutritional value of algae.)

Mark Thorson enjoys exposing you for the fraud that you are. I enjoy watching him do it.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always
correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my
shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

In said:

I sell a powerful natural health remedy and am a spiritual man. I tell no lies.

Sure, Dave. Prove it.

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