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  1. VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    Several studies have been done on the connection between Vitamin C and
    arthritis. Richard Lucas in his book, Nature's Medicines reports that in a
    hospital treating chronic diseases of the elderly, pain of arthritis was
    decreased within one month by the addition of 8 ounces of orange juice to
    the daily diet. In another study it was found that arthritis sufferers were
    relieved of gouty symptoms by drinking canned cherry juice. Because many
    people eat meat, they have a build-up of uric acid in the system which tends
    to create these symptoms. Blood uric acid dropped as a result of taking ½
    lb. of fresh or canned cherries a day.

    Many of our herbs contain Vitamin C. One of the highest is rose-hips. Rose
    hip tea is very refreshing and will certainly be an aid in eliminating uric
    acid build-up. Hibiscus flowers also contain high amounts of C. Any citrus
    fruits can also be aids.

    An article appearing in Food Field Reporter, in 1958, stated that there is
    no "definite" scientific data on just how cherry juice aids in relieving
    pain caused by diseases where improper balance of calcium is present. They
    then state that it may be the pigment in the cherries that brings relief.

    One of the best empirical (first-hand observation and experience) studies of
    the above phenomenon is by Dr. D. C. Jarvis, M.D. He observed farm animals
    and folk medicine practitioners in the state of Vermont.

    He noted that Vermont folk medicine, although they did not distinguish
    between arthritis, bursitis, rheumatism, gout, osteoarthritis, etc., they
    were successful in treating all these diseases with two teaspoonfuls of
    apple cider vinegar and two of honey in a glass of water three times a day.
    They felt that arthritis treatment began in the stomach where the acid
    balance prevented putrefaction of food. (Bacteria will not grow in an acid
    medium.) These bacteria guard the door to proper assimilation of nutriments
    in the stomach and intestine. One of the body's chief necessities is
    calcium. If the calcium balance is off, the results will be seen in many
    ways. There will be frayed nerves, inferior fingernails and hair, and other
    disorders including susceptibility to infectious diseases and arthritis
    resulting from altered body chemistry.

    Calcium enters into solution in an acid medium. The apple cider vinegar
    creates an acidic medium which is capable of dissolving excess inorganic
    calcium--even if it is in the form of arthritic deposits in the joints.
    Cows, when allowed to graze by their own instincts, will always choose
    acidic vegetation over alkaline. When they are fed winter feed, they may run
    the risk of developing milk fever which affects the quality of their milk,
    often paralyzes their hind legs, and makes for difficult calf delivery. The
    acidity of the system determines the health of the newborn calf as well.
    Animals even take to drinking apple cider vinegar voluntarily when it is set
    before them.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    Several studies have been done on the connection between Vitamin C and
    arthritis. Richard Lucas in his book, Nature's Medicines reports that in a
    hospital treating chronic diseases of the elderly, pain of arthritis was
    decreased within one month by the addition of 8 ounces of orange juice to
    the daily diet. In another study it was found that arthritis sufferers were
    relieved of gouty symptoms by drinking canned cherry juice.

    Yes, "in another study." A *medical* study, Spammin' Dave. You know,
    a study done by *doctors.* Surely you won't want to believe anything
    they have to say. You've assured us doctors don't know anything about
    nutrition.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  3. --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    < snip >

    Quoted message said:

    One of the best empirical (first-hand observation and experience) studies


    of

    Quoted message said:

    the above phenomenon is by Dr. D. C. Jarvis, M.D. He observed farm animals
    and folk medicine practitioners in the state of Vermont.

    < fifty-year-old pseudo science drivel snipped >

    Ah yes. Dr. Jarvis was also the one who promoted the notion that "mucous" is
    the cause of all human illness and that mucous can be eliminated by
    "acidifying the body." It's amusing to contrast this with the theories
    several current whacko quacks who insist that the path to health lies in
    alkalizing the body with their overpriced calcium supplements.

    --Rich

  4. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    Several studies have been done on the connection between Vitamin C and
    arthritis. Richard Lucas in his book, Nature's Medicines reports that in


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hospital treating chronic diseases of the elderly, pain of arthritis was
    decreased within one month by the addition of 8 ounces of orange juice to
    the daily diet. In another study it was found that arthritis sufferers


    were

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    relieved of gouty symptoms by drinking canned cherry juice.

    Yes, "in another study." A *medical* study, Spammin' Dave. You know,
    a study done by *doctors.* Surely you won't want to believe anything
    they have to say. You've assured us doctors don't know anything about
    nutrition.

    I understand. My point is that what these doctors say is that Vitamin C,
    one of those things you keep insisting is bad for you and has no effect
    on our health, helps arthritis. You just finished telling us that nutrients
    couldn't help arthritis.

  5. "Rich Shewmaker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    --

    "Dave" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    < snip >

    Quoted message said:

    One of the best empirical (first-hand observation and experience)


    studies

    Quoted message said:

    of

    Quoted message said:

    the above phenomenon is by Dr. D. C. Jarvis, M.D. He observed farm


    animals

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and folk medicine practitioners in the state of Vermont.

    Quoted message said:

    < fifty-year-old pseudo science drivel snipped >

    1978, actually, but close enough for medical pretenders.

    Quoted message said:

    Ah yes. Dr. Jarvis was also the one who promoted the notion that "mucous"


    is

    Quoted message said:

    the cause of all human illness and that mucous can be eliminated by
    "acidifying the body." It's amusing to contrast this with the theories
    several current whacko quacks who insist that the path to health lies in
    alkalizing the body with their overpriced calcium supplements.

    --Rich

    You mock the natural methods of relieving the pain and discomfort of a
    terrible
    disease. In its place what solution to arthritis do you offer? Suffering?
    Tylenol 3?

  6. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Dave said:

    VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    Several studies have been done on the connection between Vitamin C and
    arthritis. Richard Lucas in his book, Nature's Medicines reports that in


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    hospital treating chronic diseases of the elderly, pain of arthritis was
    decreased within one month by the addition of 8 ounces of orange juice to
    the daily diet. In another study it was found that arthritis sufferers


    were

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    relieved of gouty symptoms by drinking canned cherry juice.

    Yes, "in another study." A *medical* study, Spammin' Dave. You know,
    a study done by *doctors.* Surely you won't want to believe anything
    they have to say. You've assured us doctors don't know anything about
    nutrition.

    I understand.

    Doubtful.

    Quoted message said:

    My point is that what these doctors say is that Vitamin C, one of
    those things you keep insisting is bad for you and has no effect
    on our health, helps arthritis.

    Lying again, Spammin' Dave. I never said vitamin C is bad for you.
    (Way too much of it causes diarrhea, but you really have to megadose
    to get that effect.)

    Quoted message said:

    You just finished telling us that nutrients couldn't help arthritis.

    When did I say that? (Hint: never.)

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
    were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

  7. In said:

    VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    I never knew that vitamin C was citric acid.

    Quoted message said:

    Calcium enters into solution in an acid medium. The apple cider vinegar
    creates an acidic medium which is capable of dissolving excess inorganic
    calcium--even if it is in the form of arthritic deposits in the joints.
    Cows, when allowed to graze by their own instincts, will always choose
    acidic vegetation over alkaline. When they are fed winter feed, they may run
    the risk of developing milk fever which affects the quality of their milk,
    often paralyzes their hind legs, and makes for difficult calf delivery. The
    acidity of the system determines the health of the newborn calf as well.
    Animals even take to drinking apple cider vinegar voluntarily when it is set
    before them.

    I'm having a problem with this. I'm quite sure that Carole
    and others have posted that acid conditions are the absolute
    worst thing for arthritis.

    --
    | "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
    | completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
    +--------------- D. C. Sessions <[email hidden]> ----------+

  8. "D. C. Sessions" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:
    In said:

    VITAMIN C (citric acid) AND ARTHRITIS

    I never knew that vitamin C was citric acid.

    Quoted message said:

    Calcium enters into solution in an acid medium. The apple cider vinegar
    creates an acidic medium which is capable of dissolving excess inorganic
    calcium--even if it is in the form of arthritic deposits in the joints.
    Cows, when allowed to graze by their own instincts, will always choose
    acidic vegetation over alkaline. When they are fed winter feed, they may run
    the risk of developing milk fever which affects the quality of their milk,
    often paralyzes their hind legs, and makes for difficult calf delivery. The
    acidity of the system determines the health of the newborn calf as well.
    Animals even take to drinking apple cider vinegar voluntarily when it is set
    before them.

    I'm having a problem with this. I'm quite sure that Carole
    and others have posted that acid conditions are the absolute
    worst thing for arthritis.

    It is slightly puzzling. The way I understand it is that blood acidity
    is the worst thing for arthritis. Calcium falls out of solution when
    the blood gets too acid and deposits around the body in joints,
    arteries and other places.

    However, what you need to realise is that some foods may appear acid
    e.g., lemons - but when they are metabolised in the body they produce
    an alkaline residue.

    See http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm

    Foods leaving an acid ash (after being metabolised) are Barley, eggs,
    bananas (unripe), grain foods, beans, lentils, bread, meats, cereals,
    nuts except almonds, cakes, oatmeal, chicken, peas, confections, rice,
    corn, sugar, chocolate, sea foods, coffee, tea

    Foods leaving an alkaline ash in the blood after being metabolised
    include - Almonds, melons, apples, milk, apricots, onions, banana
    (ripe), oranges, beets, parsley, cabbage, peaches, carrots, pears,
    cauliflower, pineapple, celery, potatoes, coconuts, pumpkins, cottage
    cheese, radishes, cucumbers, raisins, dates, spinach, figs ( fresh and
    dry), soyabeans, grapes, tomatoes, lemons, turnips, lettuce

    I do recall nature guru Paul Bragg, who lived to his 90s and died from
    an accident water skiing. His autopsy revealed he had the arteries of
    an 18 year old. He used to talk about drinking apple cider vinegar
    mixed up with honey, but it is rather revolting. You can drink it for
    a day or two, but any longer and you just about vomit just smelling
    it.

    Carole
    http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/blood_acidity.htm

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