zara philips

Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Well, it was blindingly obvious who the beeb wanted to win - I think
they were extremely disrespectful to both Phil Taylor and Nicole Cooke.
Everyone else had a major feature, they just got a couple of trite
questions.

...d

Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Erm... you didn't expect something "fair" and without "hidden agenda"
did you?

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Well, it was blindingly obvious who the beeb wanted to win - I think
they were extremely disrespectful to both Phil Taylor and Nicole Cooke.
Everyone else had a major feature, they just got a couple of trite
questions.

..d

Dame Sue Barker and Sir Gary of Linekar perhaps?

As I heard one commentator say, ZP would have got the votes of the people
who were ignoring the sports side of it, and just going for the celeb
factor.

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Well, it was blindingly obvious who the beeb wanted to win - I think
they were extremely disrespectful to both Phil Taylor and Nicole Cooke.
Everyone else had a major feature, they just got a couple of trite
questions.

An opportunity for the BBC to correct their woeful coverage of her exploits
and what do we get? Adrian Childs reinforcing the misconseption that a bike
is something that you naturally fall off.

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Erm... you didn't expect something "fair" and without "hidden agenda" did
you?

no really, but some fecking horse-riding twunt...

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Well, it was blindingly obvious who the beeb wanted to win - I think
they were extremely disrespectful to both Phil Taylor and Nicole Cooke.
Everyone else had a major feature, they just got a couple of trite
questions.

An opportunity for the BBC to correct their woeful coverage of her exploits
and what do we get? Adrian Childs reinforcing the misconseption that a bike
is something that you naturally fall off.

Really, I didn't see it, but he's a cyclist himself (did a tour around
Britain on one for Working Lunch earlier in the year)

Jim.

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Erm... you didn't expect something "fair" and without "hidden agenda" did
you?

no really, but some fecking horse-riding twunt...

With a lot more media coverage than Nicole Cooke got.

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Still, it's not an easy sport to master. It's also not without peril for
both horse and rider.

I can live with the decision - she is a world and european champion and
deserved to be shorlisted unlike the darts player - where's the sporting
content of a darts match?

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Peter wrote:
> oh for fecks sake...

Well, it was blindingly obvious who the beeb wanted to win - I think
they were extremely disrespectful to both Phil Taylor and Nicole Cooke.
Everyone else had a major feature, they just got a couple of trite
questions.

An opportunity for the BBC to correct their woeful coverage of her
exploits
and what do we get? Adrian Childs reinforcing the misconseption that a
bike
is something that you naturally fall off.

Really, I didn't see it, but he's a cyclist himself (did a tour around
Britain on one for Working Lunch earlier in the year)

It was a lamentable interview - Childs came across as a complete idiot,
asking such stupid questions that it would've been hard for Nicole to reply
with any interest. Having said that, Nicole didn't come over as very
comfortable on camera.

Anyway, I suppose it's sports personality rather than sports
person...although the personality of zara philips...?

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

Erm... you didn't expect something "fair" and without "hidden agenda"

did

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you?

no really, but some fecking horse-riding twunt...

So what prize does her horse get? It did all of the hard work after all.

Bagfull of fresh apples on a silver platter?

AT

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Peter wrote:
> oh for fecks sake...
>
Erm... you didn't expect something "fair" and without "hidden agenda" did
you?

no really, but some fecking horse-riding twunt...

With a lot more media coverage than Nicole Cooke got.
Still, it's not an easy sport to master. It's also not without peril for
both horse and rider.

I can live with the decision - she is a world and european champion and
deserved to be shorlisted unlike the darts player - where's the sporting
content of a darts match?

While there isn't much athletic content, there's certainly alot of
sporting content. As Phil Taylor is 13 times world champion I think he's
certainly earned a nomination.

Looking at the list of nominees, it made me think that overall it's been
a pretty poor year for sport in the UK.

Pete

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I can live with the decision - she is a world and european champion and
deserved to be shorlisted

Indeed. There has been a lot of snobbishness about her sport and a
lot of snobbishness about her family background. However, she is
good at her sport.

Is she as good at her sport as Nicole Cooke is at hers? Debatable
and it is difficult to compare sports in this way. Both of them are
a lot better than some of the more well known sports teams that
represent parts of the UK. The male teams (football, rugby and
cricket for example) don't do as well and neither do the male or
female athletics teams. Indeed it is in some of the "minor" sports
that we do well.

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Indeed. There has been a lot of snobbishness about her sport and a
lot of snobbishness about her family background. However, she is
good at her sport.

No she is average at her sport, anyone could have won with a horse of that
quality, in fact you could have pulled someone of the street and with a
couple of years training they could have won.

The sport is 90% horse.

Steve

Ningi said:

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With a lot more media coverage than Nicole Cooke got.
Still, it's not an easy sport to master. It's also not without peril for
both horse and rider.

I can live with the decision - she is a world and european champion and
deserved to be shorlisted unlike the darts player - where's the sporting
content of a darts match?

While there isn't much athletic content, there's certainly alot of
sporting content. As Phil Taylor is 13 times world champion I think he's
certainly earned a nomination.

Looking at the list of nominees, it made me think that overall it's been
a pretty poor year for sport in the UK.

I disagree. I think it has been an excellent year apart from the
mainstream sports. And the nominations for SPOTY included 6 or 7 world
champions.

I don't think Zara Phillips is an undeserving winner, but I don't think
she was the best one there (of course!)

Darts is as much a sport as snooker or golf.

...d

AT wrote on 10/12/2006 22:54 +0100:

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So what prize does her horse get? It did all of the hard work after all.

I'd like to see you ride the same horse to the same success in that case
- a horse that she has spent the past 7 years training. As the horse
did it all, all you would need to do is hang on to get a World Championship.

I am amazed at the level of enmity in this thread against someone who
has done very well in her chosen sport. Yes Nicole did not win but then
Philips has also won World and European titles in her sport as did Beth
Tweddle and only one of them could win.

Perhaps it's because she's not one of "our tribe". And who knows, after
past successful riggings of bicycle votes, perhaps the BBC quietly
disqualified or discounted her vote after the lobbying here.

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Peter said:

oh for fecks sake...

I wonder if the result had anything to do with the wall to wall coverage
of Miss Philips in the Telegraph on Saturday.

Surely not - Telegraph readers don't watch such rubbish, let alone take
part in telephone votes.

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Perhaps it's because she's not one of "our tribe". And who knows, after
past successful riggings of bicycle votes, perhaps the BBC quietly
disqualified or discounted her vote after the lobbying here.

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It would be naive to think other sports do not 'encourage' supporters to
vote for their person on the list. If the BBC is bothered about vote
rigging, it could easily solve it by doing it one vote per phone number. As
it is, multiple voting is clearly allowed and certainly not dicouraged in
any way. As part of the money from the call goes to a BBC charity, I hardly
think they'll be interested in reducing the number of phone votes to one per
number as that would reduce the amount of money made!

Last night there was bias against Nicole that was fairly obvious - all the
others get a decent amount of video coverage indeed the girl who came third
was performing on the night. All Nicole got was a couple of crass and stupid
questions from Adrain Chiles. I don't think the BBC is interested in
'fairness' of any kind. The BBC showing its usual anti-cycling bias from
outset. Glad Nicole got in the ten final contenders though. The reality is
that's the best that could be expected. Onwards & upwards!

Well it survived, just, but only just - I mean my TV set. How on earth
I stopped myself from throwing my coffee mug through the screen I will
never know.

There were three people there that are at the top in their sports -
that are in my opinion among the toughest sports in the world -
professional boxing and pro cycling and to give it to an upper class
twit that rides a horse - which does all the work - is a travesty.

So my great fellow Brits congratulations - you toadying, syncophantic,
Sun-reading half wits.

That's better - needed to say that.

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AT wrote on 10/12/2006 22:54 +0100:

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So what prize does her horse get? It did all of the hard work after all.

Quoted message said:

Perhaps it's because she's not one of "our tribe". And who knows, after
past successful riggings of bicycle votes, perhaps the BBC quietly
disqualified or discounted her vote after the lobbying here.

This was the first thing that went through my mind. The repeated OTT
posts here and on other forums to _Vote Nicole_ have verged on Spam.

A problem I'm sure most of the contenders had is that the average Sun
reader/TV addict has never heard of them, whereas all have heard of Zara
Philips, even though they may not know an iota about her horse riding
achievements.

IMO it is a Show for those who get their kicks out of TV trash and not
even worth a punctured inner tube.
The real suckers are those who donated their money to the phone
companies (and the BBC).

tt

wafflycat wrote on 11/12/2006 08:54 +0100:

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It would be naive to think other sports do not 'encourage' supporters to
vote for their person on the list. If the BBC is bothered about vote
rigging, it could easily solve it by doing it one vote per phone number.
As it is, multiple voting is clearly allowed and certainly not
dicouraged in any way. As part of the money from the call goes to a BBC
charity, I hardly think they'll be interested in reducing the number of
phone votes to one per number as that would reduce the amount of money
made!

OK so she lost to a better organised vote rigging campaign then.

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