Zapping a Bikee AT

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I called the manufacturer (Zapworld) and the maintenance guy who answered has never heard of a
recumbent.

Go online to Zap and you can download the install amnual. Some good ideas there.Just might one
for my AT.

Ken

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I called the manufacturer (Zapworld) and the maintenance guy who answered has never heard of a
recumbent.

Go online to Zap and you can download the install amnual. Some good ideas there.Just might one
for my AT.

Ken

Forget the zap.Go with a currie pro drive. Zaps slip in the wet and wears out tires. Currie is chain
drive and has more gear and motor options for about the same zap price

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Originally posted by Bill B
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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I called the manufacturer (Zapworld) and the maintenance guy who answered has never heard of a
recumbent.

Go online to Zap and you can download the install amnual. Some good ideas there.Just might one
for my AT.

Ken

Forget the zap.Go with a currie pro drive. Zaps slip in the wet and wears out tires. Currie is chain
drive and has more gear and motor options for about the same zap price

Zap will not work with suspension (same with Bikit and ETC). Zap trike units used to mount the the front wheel. Also, Zap’s formerly largest dealer California based Sustainable Habitat used to make a Zap Hillclimber model by combining a Zap DX with the Zap Trike components for a low gear ratio front wheel drive system, the may still have some components or you may be able to make your own mounting parts. And they used to sell and install Zap DX equipped EZ-1 bents, so they’re bent clueless.

I assume you have a dual drive, so rear hub motor may not make sense. Both Heinzman and Crystallite make front hub and rear shimano cassette compatible hub motor systems. North American Crystallite distributor Joshua Goldberg over at Evsoultion.net frequents this forum and probably has more experience with electrifying bents than anyone in North America.

Currie has the disadvantage of needing to drive that extra chain since the freewheel is on the motor side of the drive rather than the hub. Also, Currie has reportedly been taking lessons from Bike-E and ATP-Vision on customer service and responsiveness- although they have really did move into new smaller facilities and have switch manufacturing overseas and a reporting they’ll be back in operation in April, but appear to focusing on their more profitable electric scooter business. But mounting is no problem on the rear suspension.

Yes, Zap slips when wet, but if you aren’t in hilly rainy areas that may not be a concern.
Since Zap is disengaged when not in use, you aren’t needing to waste that effort when in non electric mode, including long trips.

There is a new pricey Canadian kit: EPS Smart-E with regenerative braking that merits consideration, I’m considering that model for bent bikes, it might be the best option for bent trikes: www.eps-system.com

Longtime manufacture Zeta mounts front-only at only 10lbs with 12V 7AH battery 170 W motor, low power, slow speed, and short range, but they have a built in headlight. Bikit mounts front or rear as long as unsuspended, but its sidewall drive needs a wider tire than you have-plus it slips when wet like Zap. ETC (out of business) was designed for rear mount, but looks like it would mount on the front. Evdeals.com appears to among the last to still have some inventory.

Also, take a look at Sanyo, Yamaha, and Honda with some very advanced products coming out, and hopefully available in North America.

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Originally posted by meb
Zap will not work with suspension (same with Bikit and ETC). Zap trike units used to mount the the front wheel. Also, Zap’s formerly largest dealer California based Sustainable Habitat used to make a Zap Hillclimber model by combining a Zap DX with the Zap Trike components for a low gear ratio front wheel drive system, the may still have some components or you may be able to make your own mounting parts. And they used to sell and install Zap DX equipped EZ-1 bents, so they’re bent clueless.

I assume you have a dual drive, so rear hub motor may not make sense. Both Heinzman and Crystallite make front hub and rear shimano cassette compatible hub motor systems. North American Crystallite distributor Joshua Goldberg over at Evsoultion.net frequents this forum and probably has more experience with electrifying bents than anyone in North America.

Currie has the disadvantage of needing to drive that extra chain since the freewheel is on the motor side of the drive rather than the hub. Also, Currie has reportedly been taking lessons from Bike-E and ATP-Vision on customer service and responsiveness- although they have really did move into new smaller facilities and have switch manufacturing overseas and a reporting they’ll be back in operation in April, but appear to focusing on their more profitable electric scooter business. But mounting is no problem on the rear suspension.

Yes, Zap slips when wet, but if you aren’t in hilly rainy areas that may not be a concern.
Since Zap is disengaged when not in use, you aren’t needing to waste that effort when in non electric mode, including long trips.

There is a new pricey Canadian kit: EPS Smart-E with regenerative braking that merits consideration, I’m considering that model for bent bikes, it might be the best option for bent trikes: www.eps-system.com

Longtime manufacture Zeta mounts front-only at only 10lbs with 12V 7AH battery 170 W motor, low power, slow speed, and short range, but they have a built in headlight. Bikit mounts front or rear as long as unsuspended, but its sidewall drive needs a wider tire than you have-plus it slips when wet like Zap. ETC (out of business) was designed for rear mount, but looks like it would mount on the front. Evdeals.com appears to among the last to still have some inventory.

Also, take a look at Sanyo, Yamaha, and Honda with some very advanced products coming out, and hopefully available in North America.

I meant to say Sustainable Habitat was NOT bent clueless, since they used to install Zaps on EZ-1 bents.

According to that website (www.eps-system.com) the Smart-E motor puts out 400 watts max and 250
watts continuous. Not bad, but then you get to the part where is tops out at 32 km/h. At first I
thought it said 32 MPH, but no, only 32 km/h (20 MPH). Huh? So why would I buy a motor to go 20 MPH?
I do that already. If I did buy a motor-assist, it would be for intra-city cycling, and I would buy
it to boost my 20 MPH cruising speed to 35 or 40 MPH, so as to be able to flow better with the
motorized traffic. Of course, I'd need something like a 62T chainring to be able to work with the
motor at that speed.

Anybody here know of an electric hub motor designed for assisting top-end? I'm just curious.
--
Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 26x26 SWB OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

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meb said:

Zap will not work with suspension (same with Bikit and ETC). Zap trike units used to mount the
the front wheel. Also, Zap's formerly largest dealer California based Sustainable Habitat used
to make a Zap Hillclimber model by combining a Zap DX with the Zap Trike components for a low
gear ratio front wheel drive system, the may still have some components or you may be able to
make your own mounting parts. And they used to sell and install Zap DX equipped EZ-1 bents, so
they're bent clueless. I assume you have a dual drive, so rear hub motor may not make sense.
Both Heinzman and Crystallite make front hub and rear shimano cassette compatible hub motor
systems. North American Crystallite distributor Joshua Goldberg over at Evsoultion.net
frequents this forum and probably has more experience with electrifying bents than anyone in
North America. Currie has the disadvantage of needing to drive that extra chain since the
freewheel is on the motor side of the drive rather than the hub. Also, Currie has reportedly
been taking lessons from Bike-E and ATP- Vision on customer service and responsiveness-
although they have

really

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did move into new smaller facilities and have switch manufacturing overseas and a reporting
they'll be back in operation in April, but appear to focusing on their more profitable
electric scooter business. But mounting is no problem on the rear suspension. Yes, Zap slips
when wet, but if you aren't in hilly rainy areas that may not be a concern. Since Zap is
disengaged when not in use, you aren't needing to waste that effort when in non electric mode,
including long trips. There is a new pricey Canadian kit: EPS Smart-E with regenerative
braking that merits consideration, I'm considering that model for bent bikes, it might be the
best option for bent trikes: www.eps-system.com Longtime manufacture Zeta mounts front-only at
only 10lbs with 12V 7AH battery 170 W motor, low power, slow speed, and short range, but they
have a built in headlight. Bikit mounts front or rear as long as unsuspended, but its sidewall
drive needs a wider tire than you have- plus it slips when wet like Zap. ETC (out of business)
was designed

for

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rear mount, but looks like it would mount on the front. Evdeals.com appears to among the last
to still have some inventory. Also, take a look at Sanyo, Yamaha, and Honda with some very
advanced products coming out, and hopefully available in North America.

I meant to say Sustainable Habitat was NOT bent clueless, since they used to install Zaps on EZ-
1 bents.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bill Anton
[B]According to that website (www.eps-system.com) the Smart-E motor puts out 400 watts max and 250
watts continuous. Not bad, but then you get to the part where is tops out at 32 km/h. At first I
thought it said 32 MPH, but no, only 32 km/h (20 MPH). Huh? So why would I buy a motor to go 20 MPH?
I do that already. If I did buy a motor-assist, it would be for intra-city cycling, and I would buy
it to boost my 20 MPH cruising speed to 35 or 40 MPH, so as to be able to flow better with the
motorized traffic. Of course, I'd need something like a 62T chainring to be able to work with the
motor at that speed.

Anybody here know of an electric hub motor designed for assisting top-end? I'm just curious.
--
Bill Anton 2001 Vision R-40 26x26 SWB OSS Lubbock, TX, USA

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-- [/B]

Bill Anton said:

According to that website (www.eps-system.com) the Smart-E motor puts out 400 watts max and 250
watts continuous. Not bad, but then you get to the part where is tops out at 32 km/h. At first I
thought it said 32 MPH, but no, only 32 km/h (20 MPH). Huh? So why would I buy a motor to go 20
MPH? I do that already. If I did buy a motor-assist, it would be for intra-city cycling, and I
would buy it to boost my 20 MPH cruising speed to 35 or 40 MPH, so as to be able to flow better
with the motorized traffic. Of course, I'd need something like a 62T chainring to be able to work
with the motor at that speed.

Anybody here know of an electric hub motor designed for assisting top-end? I'm just curious.

Many state jurisdictions limit the top speed of electric bikes to 20 mph. So to sell in those
states, manufacturers design their equipment that way. Combine that with the typical 10 to 20 mile
range of stock e-bikes, it's hard to see their purpose. Fine for disabled people but most users are
healthy adults who could easily match that performance without lugging around 20 to 40 lbs of
batteries. If you need both range and speed beyond your own capability, consider a gas engine power
assist. I can ride all day at 30 mph on my power assist Tour Easy and refuel in minutes vice a
typical 6 hour recharge for an electric bike.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"Americans are broad-minded people. They'll accept the fact that a person can be an alcoholic, a
dope fiend, a wife beater, and even a newspaperman, but if a man doesn't drive there's something
wrong with him." Art Buchwald

Far Out...fame at last for doing something beyond having driven more bents into cars, trucks, buses
and shrubbery than anyone else in North America. And it is spelled Crystalyte not Crystalite AND it
is www.evsolutions.net

Joshua
*****

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Both Heinzman and Crystallite make front hub and rear shimano

cassette

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compatible hub motor systems. North American Crystallite distributor Joshua Goldberg over at
Evsoultion.net frequents this forum and probably has more experience with electrifying bents
than anyone in North America.

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Originally posted by Filipo
I know Bikee has gone out of business but I still have my Bikee AT with less than 600 miles on it so
I intend to ride it until it bites the dust.

I want to mount a ZAP electric motor assist unit on it and I'm looking for ideas on how to do it.
ftt

Don't put too big a motor on it........or you might end up with a bent bent!
http://joesacher.com/cycling/motorbikee.php
Pete
OzHPV
Canberra

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Originally posted by Poiter
Don't put too big a motor on it........or you might end up with a bent bent!
http://joesacher.com/cycling/motorbikee.php
Pete
OzHPV
Canberra

Hilarieous 😄

Amazing the frame bent instead of the chain snapping.
Anyone know if most monotubes are that frail or is BikeE atypical?
Lots of 300lb BikeE riders never did anything like that.

I've snapped chains on unmotorized DF bikes with no frame damage.

You might wish to slide on over to Yahoo "Groups" and join a group called Power-Assist. This group
was formed by Recumbent riders who got tired of getting yelled at by HPV purists everytime they
dared to think about adding a motor to their recumbent. There are now 1,142 members and there is a
large recumbent segment....

Joshua
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Filipo said:

I know Bikee has gone out of business but I still have my Bikee AT with less than 600 miles on
it so I intend to ride it until it bites the dust. I want to mount a ZAP electric motor assist
unit on it and I'm looking for ideas on how to do it. ftt

Don't put too big a motor on it........or you might end up with a bent bent!
joesacher.commotorbikee.phpOpen ↗ Pete OzHPV Canberra

--

EVSolutions said:

You might wish to slide on over to Yahoo "Groups" and join a group called Power-Assist. This group
was formed by Recumbent riders who got tired of getting yelled at by HPV purists everytime they
dared to think about adding a motor to their recumbent. There are now 1,142 members and there is a
large recumbent segment....

Joshua
*****

The problem with the Yahoo power assist group is that it is run by a profoundly corrupt and
deceitful moderator who's business is selling batteries for electric bikes. After I suggested that
the range and speed of stock e-bikes were so poor that no healthy person needed electric power
assist, I was moderated and censored. Pedaling don't sell batteries. After I disclosed the
unscrupulous practice of the moderators secretly editing members posts, I was banned. That group
requires you to stay on your knees and worship the official party line that electric bikes are pure
and perfect and peddling a bike is obsolete. Stand up with your own opinion that e-bikes are no more
then power wheelchairs for people too lazy to pedal and you won't last long. Information about the
environmental costs of power generation or the problems of toxic metals in batteries are met with
lies and censorship. If you are a fan of official lies, censorship, disinformation and oppressive
control, you'll love that group.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"…criticism of the moderation of the Power-Assist group is inflammatory and is not on-topic for
discussion in the Power-Assist group."
S. David Lalonde, Power-Assist moderator

Thanx Lorenzo

I did forget to mention the Yahoo Group (Like the IHPV-Trike Group) we do have Moderators and they
prevent anyone from going "Off Topic". Lorenzo and a few others (self included) have strayed off
topic and got our willies slapped for it...but I grovel & beg foregiveness better than most and
got to stay.
************************************
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EVSolutions said:

You might wish to slide on over to Yahoo "Groups" and join a group

called

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Quoted message said:

Power-Assist. This group was formed by Recumbent riders who got tired of getting yelled at by
HPV purists everytime they dared to think about

adding

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a motor to their recumbent. There are now 1,142 members and there is a

large

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recumbent segment....

Joshua
*****

The problem with the Yahoo power assist group is that it is run by a profoundly corrupt and
deceitful moderator who's business is selling batteries for electric bikes. After I suggested that
the range and speed of stock e-bikes were so poor that no healthy person needed electric power
assist, I was moderated and censored. Pedaling don't sell batteries. After I disclosed the
unscrupulous practice of the moderators secretly editing members posts, I was banned. That group
requires you to stay on your knees and worship the official party line that electric bikes are
pure and perfect and peddling a bike is obsolete. Stand up with your own opinion that e-bikes are
no more then power wheelchairs for people too lazy to pedal and you won't last long. Information
about the environmental costs of power generation or the problems of toxic metals in batteries are
met with lies and censorship. If you are a fan of official lies, censorship, disinformation and
oppressive control, you'll love that group.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"…criticism of the moderation of the Power-Assist group is inflammatory and is not on-topic for
discussion in the Power-Assist group."
S. David Lalonde, Power-Assist moderator

In my experience chains usually only snap if they are worn or more likely not aligned with the cogs
at the time the stress is applied. If the force on the chain is aligned I would expect them to be
extremely strong. Strong enough to break alot of other parts on a bike. However the BikeE also has
the disadvantage of a frame that does not align with the chainline. This means that strong forces on
the chain try to fold the bike in half. The frame is strong enough for the power of most(all?)
people but a high torque motor appears to supply enough tension on the chain to fold the frame. This
is the reason all DF bikes (and motor cycles) have a chain stay that runs from the BB to the hub
along the chain path. Craig

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Poiter said:

Don't put too big a motor on it........or you might end up with a bent bent!
joesacher.commotorbikee.phpOpen ↗ Pete OzHPV Canberra

Hilarieous 😄

Amazing the frame bent instead of the chain snapping. Anyone know if most monotubes are that frail
or is BikeE atypical? Lots of 300lb BikeE riders never did anything like that.

I've snapped chains on unmotorized DF bikes with no frame damage.

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Bill B said:

Zap will not work with suspension (same with Bikit and ETC). Zap trike units used to mount the the
front wheel.

I stumbled across this photo of a BikeE AT with a ZAP motor on it while on EBay. Since I've never
seen a real Zap motor, would someone kindly look at the picture and let me know if the installation
requires some special mounting hardware, and whether such hardware can be home-fabricated, i.e., no
machining or lathe work.

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%3AIT&rd=1

The reason I'm still sticking to Zap is that in case I end up trading in the BikeE for a wedgie, at
least I can transfer the motor.

Thanks again,

ftt

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Originally posted by Filipo
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Bill B said:

Zap will not work with suspension (same with Bikit and ETC). Zap trike units used to mount the the
front wheel.

I stumbled across this photo of a BikeE AT with a ZAP motor on it while on EBay. Since I've never
seen a real Zap motor, would someone kindly look at the picture and let me know if the installation
requires some special mounting hardware, and whether such hardware can be home-fabricated, i.e., no
machining or lathe work.

cgi.ebay.comeBayISAPI.dllOpen ↗
%3AIT&rd=1

The reason I'm still sticking to Zap is that in case I end up trading in the BikeE for a wedgie, at
least I can transfer the motor.

Thanks again,

ftt

Here’s a ZAP mounting hardware photo:
http://www.electric-bikes.com/minimum.htm

If you are the buyer, it appears the seller has already made whatever adaptive hardware was required.

If you merely were interested in replicating the installation, it appears the seller added an L-shaped plate and a flat plate on either side of the suspension arms to secure the motor. Probably has some stops not visible in the pics to prevent movement.

Probably would not require special machining to home fabricate adaptive hardware. Probably saws and drills.

I would expect more than average ZAP wheel slip mounting that low on the tire in standby mode since gravity would not assist motor torque in swinging the roller into the tire and holding the roller on the tire. There is another position locking the motor and roller to the wheel-not sure if the loss of the gravity supplement would make a big difference there.

Not sure if seller has replaced the 400W motors with bigger 600W and/or 800W motors or was giving a buy it now price of $600 / $800 w/o, the DX ZAP normally has 2-200W motors sided at either end of the roller axis.

Here is some front/hillclimber/trike mounting info:
http://www.electric-bikes.com/custom.htm

Not sure if the trike and hillclimber units are still available, but this is the dealer that fabricated the superhillclimber units (they didn’t come directly from ZAP, this was ZAP’s largest dealer who modified ZAP units).

“The reason I'm still sticking to ZAP is that in case I end up trading in the BikeE for a wedgie, at least I can transfer the motor.”

That’s not unique to ZAP, it’s typical of all but the BB/crankbox drive units such as Panasonic and Panasonic units are not typically sold as kits in the US or the internal gear hub with motor on the SRAM-SPARC would easily be removed and transferred to a DF. BIKIT, ETC, or hub motor units –especially front hub motors- could be easily removed. A Currie US Pro Drive might take a couple of hours to take off everything, but very doable.

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I would expect more than average ZAP wheel slip mounting that low on

the tire in standby mode since gravity would not assist motor torque in swinging the roller
into the tire and holding the roller on the tire. There is another position locking the motor
and roller to the wheel-not sure if the loss of the gravity supplement would make a big
difference there.

Some other guy who did a similar Zap conversion on a hardtail BikeE CT said he used a mini bungee
cord to push the roller to the tire, since, as you say, the motor is so low. Not sure if this will
work with an AT since the suspension system will bounce up and down - I'm betting that the small
amount of travel will not really affect the distance between the roller and the tire.

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Not sure if the trike and hillclimber units are still available, but this is the dealer that
fabricated the superhillclimber units (they didn?t come directly from ZAP, this was ZAP?s largest
dealer who modified ZAP units).

I think the Sustainable Habitat operation in Milpitas, CA has gone out of business. I sent the owner
an e-mail asking the same questions that you answered and he never got back to me. That's why I'm so
grateful that you have given me all these tips. I really appreciate it and I'll let you know what
happens after I start this Zap installation project.

Thanks a lot for your help - I really appreciate it.

ftt

"Lorenzo L. Love" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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EVSolutions said:

You might wish to slide on over to Yahoo "Groups" and join a group called Power-Assist. This
group was formed by Recumbent riders who got tired of getting yelled at by HPV purists everytime
they dared to think about adding a motor to their recumbent. There are now 1,142 members and
there is a large recumbent segment....

Joshua
*****

The problem with the Yahoo power assist group is that it is run by a profoundly corrupt and
deceitful moderator who's business is selling batteries for electric bikes. After I suggested that
the range and speed of stock e-bikes were so poor that no healthy person needed electric power
assist, I was moderated and censored. Pedaling don't sell batteries. After I disclosed the
unscrupulous practice of the moderators secretly editing members posts, I was banned. That group
requires you to stay on your knees and worship the official party line that electric bikes are
pure and perfect and peddling a bike is obsolete. Stand up with your own opinion that e-bikes are
no more then power wheelchairs for people too lazy to pedal and you won't last long. Information
about the environmental costs of power generation or the problems of toxic metals in batteries are
met with lies and censorship. If you are a fan of official lies, censorship, disinformation and
oppressive control, you'll love that group.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"?criticism of the moderation of the Power-Assist group is inflammatory and is not on-topic for
discussion in the Power-Assist group."
S. David Lalonde, Power-Assist moderator

Dear Mr. Love:

After I followed EVSolution's suggestion, I received the following message from the Power-Assist
group at Yahoo:

"Hello,

The moderator of the power-assist group has denied your request for membership.

The moderator of each Yahoo! Groups group chooses whether to restrict membership in his or her
group. Moderators who choose to restrict membership also choose whom to admit.

Please note that this decision is final and that Yahoo! Groups does not control group membership."

Gee, I thought the First Amendment was alive and well in this town. I was wondering if this is the
same fellow that you were referring to in the above quoted post. What it is you said or did to make
him so angry, even against someone who has not done nothing to merit his displeasure? All I was
trying to find out was whether there was a way to add power-assist to my BikeE AT. Should I lose any
sleep over this? Any further thoughts/comments/suggestions?

Filipo

You being denied access to our 1142 member sandbox is rare, but one of the "banned" members has been
trying to re-join using various aliases (5 so far...2 as a female) and the Moderator may have
thought you were another alias of this banned member. Lorenzo L. Love is a Banned member...although
I was not pleased with banning Lorenzo. The other member threatened to subscribe certain members for
SPAM attacks and send several Virus at members and his working in I.T. such threats were taken
seriously.

All Lorenzo did wrong was question the all powerfull Moderation of the group and said Moderation
thanked him for his participation and then squished him like a bug.

Try emailing me off this Newsgroup and I can steer you to a few sites I am aware of who are doing
some pretty amazing power conversions with BikeEs...including one doing a Mid-Drive.
www.evsolutions.net Joshua
******

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EVSolutions said:

You might wish to slide on over to Yahoo "Groups" and join a group

called

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Power-Assist. This group was formed by Recumbent riders who got tired

of

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getting yelled at by HPV purists everytime they dared to think about

adding

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a motor to their recumbent. There are now 1,142 members and there is a

large

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recumbent segment....

Joshua
*****

The problem with the Yahoo power assist group is that it is run by a profoundly corrupt and
deceitful moderator who's business is selling batteries for electric bikes. After I suggested
that the range and speed of stock e-bikes were so poor that no healthy person needed electric
power assist, I was moderated and censored. Pedaling don't sell batteries. After I disclosed the
unscrupulous practice of the moderators secretly editing members posts, I was banned. That group
requires you to stay on your knees and worship the official party line that electric bikes are
pure and perfect and peddling a bike is obsolete. Stand up with your own opinion that e-bikes
are no more then power wheelchairs for people too lazy to pedal and you won't last long.
Information about the environmental costs of power generation or the problems of toxic metals in
batteries are met with lies and censorship. If you are a fan of official lies, censorship,
disinformation and oppressive control, you'll love that group.

Lorenzo L. Love home.thegrid.net~llloveOpen ↗

"?criticism of the moderation of the Power-Assist group is inflammatory and is not on-topic for
discussion in the Power-Assist group."
S. David Lalonde, Power-Assist moderator

Dear Mr. Love:

After I followed EVSolution's suggestion, I received the following message from the Power-Assist
group at Yahoo:

"Hello,

The moderator of the power-assist group has denied your request for membership.

The moderator of each Yahoo! Groups group chooses whether to restrict membership in his or her
group. Moderators who choose to restrict membership also choose whom to admit.

Please note that this decision is final and that Yahoo! Groups does not control group membership."

Gee, I thought the First Amendment was alive and well in this town. I was wondering if this is the
same fellow that you were referring to in the above quoted post. What it is you said or did to
make him so angry, even against someone who has not done nothing to merit his displeasure? All I
was trying to find out was whether there was a way to add power-assist to my BikeE AT. Should I
lose any sleep over this? Any further thoughts/comments/suggestions?