Zapper kills infectious bacteria

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Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "f®Èé RådicaL" [email hidden]
Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.

I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
zapper seems to break very quickly.

Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

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Quoted message said:

Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering)

Seems to be over kill for putting together a zapper.

from

Quoted message said:

Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct.

This

Quoted message said:

alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.

I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat

coming

Quoted message said:

on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes

some

Quoted message said:

time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore

for

Quoted message said:

antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
zapper seems to break very quickly.

Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the

skeptics

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build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright.

Waste of time.
Nothing you have reported here gives any indication that the zapper did
anything at all.

BTW

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I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
products.

Neither do I.

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:52:15 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

This is a typical try to persuade people to buy naturopath mafia
stuff. Seems to be neccesary to make a warning list of such
advertizing agencies.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

Quoted message said:

Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.

I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
zapper seems to break very quickly.

Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
products.

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On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more piece
of proof.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "f®Èé RådicaL" [email hidden]
Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.

I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
zapper seems to break very quickly.

Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
products.

Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.

You may be attacked, ignore them.

Jan

Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain

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Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: Happy Oyster [email hidden]
Date: 11/16/2003 8:43 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:52:15 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

This is a typical try to persuade people to buy naturopath mafia
stuff. Seems to be neccesary to make a warning list of such
advertizing agencies.

Wrong, it's called sharing alternative methods. Has nothing whatsoever to do
with trying to get anyone to buy anything as you can build one yourself.

No advertising.

Jan

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 11/16/2003 10:27 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills

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Wrong, it's called sharing alternative methods. Has nothing whatsoever to do
with trying to get anyone to buy anything as you can build one yourself.

you could also buy a barbecue at the store for about $3.....same principle...

geez Jannie do you never give up????

or have you been visiting Hulddddda in Mexico again...

hawki

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On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more piece
of proof.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

You can call it what you will, if it first does no harm (Hippocratic oath,
which most doctors no longer follow) and also works, then I'm using it. I
also subscribe to Clark's theory of cancer. There are too many reported
cases of people killing tumors by taking anti-parasitic herbs and/or zapping
to be ignored. I don't expect to convince any doctors or knee-jerk
skeptics, of course.

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Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
From: "f®Èé RådicaL" [email hidden]
Date: 11/16/2003 5:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Quoted message said:

On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more piece
of proof.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

You can call it what you will, if it first does no harm (Hippocratic oath,
which most doctors no longer follow) and also works, then I'm using it. I
also subscribe to Clark's theory of cancer. There are too many reported
cases of people killing tumors by taking anti-parasitic herbs and/or zapping
to be ignored. I don't expect to convince any doctors or knee-jerk
skeptics, of course.

Deckers isn't playing with a full deck.

Jan

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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:52:15 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

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I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering)

from

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Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book.

If you really have a degree in electrical engineering, then you'll recognize
the Zapper as a very simple LF/RF generator. You'll also understand the
near impossibility of any current reaching parasites habitating in the body.
That you have no apparent problem with this is odd.

le moo

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Quoted message said:

On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 23:52:15 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering)

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book.

If you really have a degree in electrical engineering, then you'll

recognize

Quoted message said:

the Zapper as a very simple LF/RF generator. You'll also understand the
near impossibility of any current reaching parasites habitating in the

body.

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That you have no apparent problem with this is odd.

le moo

I do know that each cell in the body is an electrical system that conducts
low-current electricity very well. Anyone can attest to this who has
experienced a static shock starting from the finger tip and felt all the way
to the toes and the head. Low current electricity is apparently lethal to
many pathogens, including parasites.

This has been proven in vitro. U.S. patent 05188738
(http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Kaali%205188738.pdf) was granted for
a process using low-current/voltage AC electricity on blood which renders
bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective without harming the
blood cells. It follows that this process might be effective in vivo as
well. I know from personal experience that it works. That's all the proof I
need. A small leap of faith is required to try something outside the current
paradigm. That's how science progresses. Without that doctors might still be
blood-letting with leaches to cure a fever.

In said:

Deckers isn't playing with a full deck.

PKB again, Jan?

What was that about belittling always being despicable?

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In said:

This has been proven in vitro. U.S. patent 05188738
(http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Kaali%205188738.pdf) was granted for
a process using low-current/voltage AC electricity on blood which renders
bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective without harming the
blood cells. It follows that this process might be effective in vivo as
well. I know from personal experience that it works. That's all the proof I
need. A small leap of faith is required to try something outside the current
paradigm. That's how science progresses. Without that doctors might still be
blood-letting with leaches to cure a fever.

There have also been patents for antigravity machines,
perpetual motion machines, the Dean Drive, etc.

There is no requirement that something /work/ to be patented.

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Quoted message said:

"Happy Oyster" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more piece
of proof.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

You can call it what you will, if it first does no harm (Hippocratic oath,
which most doctors no longer follow) and also works, then I'm using it. I
also subscribe to Clark's theory of cancer. There are too many reported
cases of people killing tumors by taking anti-parasitic herbs and/or

zapping

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to be ignored.

Cite one. I have been looking for them ever since Hulda appeared, and and
have not found one testimonial worth its salt.

Remember that Laetrile was supposed to be curing cancers all ver the place,
but a highly publicised nationwide search for cases cured by Laetrile
produced ony one or two dubious cases. This was when Laetrile had been
used by thousands of cases, as now applies to Hulda's methods.

Peter Moran

"ƒ®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]> wrote in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you really have a degree in electrical engineering, then you'll

recognize

Quoted message said:

the Zapper as a very simple LF/RF generator. You'll also understand the
near impossibility of any current reaching parasites habitating in the

body.

Quoted message said:

That you have no apparent problem with this is odd.

I do know that each cell in the body is an electrical system that conducts
low-current electricity very well. Anyone can attest to this who has
experienced a static shock starting from the finger tip and felt all the

way

Quoted message said:

to the toes and the head. Low current electricity is apparently lethal to
many pathogens, including parasites.

Apparantly not. Your training should tell you that currents strong enough
to damage cells are strong enouch to cause permanent damage to perfectly
good cells.

Quoted message said:

This has been proven in vitro. U.S. patent 05188738
(http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Kaali%205188738.pdf) was granted

for

Quoted message said:

a process using low-current/voltage AC electricity on blood which renders
bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective without harming the
blood cells. It follows that this process might be effective in vivo as
well. I know from personal experience that it works. That's all the proof

I

Quoted message said:

need. A small leap of faith is required to try something outside the

current

Quoted message said:

paradigm. That's how science progresses. Without that doctors might still

be

Quoted message said:

blood-letting with leaches to cure a fever.

A patent doesn't mean that a device is effective in the slightest. There is
no requirement to prove a concept works before patenting it.

moo

Hi
Not on the zapper but I tried vitamin c for de-odorant which was mentioned
in Hulda's book and it worked a treat.
Anth

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news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.

I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering)

from

Quoted message said:

Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct.

This

Quoted message said:

alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.

I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat

coming

Quoted message said:

on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes

some

Quoted message said:

time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore

for

Quoted message said:

antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
zapper seems to break very quickly.

Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the

skeptics

Quoted message said:

build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright.

BTW

Quoted message said:

I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
products.

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:56:00 -0700, "f®Èé RådicaL" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

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On 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT, [email hidden] (Jan) wrote:

Jan Drew advertizes quackery and charlatanism. This is one more piece
of proof.

Regards,

Aribert Deckers

You can call it what you will, if it first does no harm (Hippocratic oath,
which most doctors no longer follow) and also works, then I'm using it. I
also subscribe to Clark's theory of cancer. There are too many reported
cases of people killing tumors by taking anti-parasitic herbs and/or zapping
to be ignored. I don't expect to convince any doctors or knee-jerk
skeptics, of course.

That is idiocy.

Aribert Deckers
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(Jan) said:

Deckers isn't playing with a full deck.

Jan

Says Jan Drew, the naturopath mafia advertizing agency.

On one hand Jan Drew persuades parents NOT to have their children
vaccinated, as he declares vaccinations to be dangerous.

On the other hand Jan Drew urges parents to let chelations be made to
their children.

Chelation is dangerous and in most cases of "amalgam-poisoning"
without ANY need or positive result.

Vaccination save the lives of children. Each year millions of children
die because they did NOT get the life-saving vaccinations.

**********************************************************************

W A R N I N G

Believing Jan Drew's lies can lead to the death
of your children and of yourself.

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ƒ®Èé RådicaL said:

I do know that each cell in the body is an electrical system that conducts
low-current electricity very well. Anyone can attest to this who has
experienced a static shock starting from the finger tip and felt all the way
to the toes and the head. Low current electricity is apparently lethal to
many pathogens, including parasites.

This has been proven in vitro. U.S. patent 05188738
(http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Kaali%205188738.pdf) was granted

That patent appears to have never been granted.
from uspto.gov:
Results of Search in 1790-2003 db for:
PN/05188738: 0 patents.

dropping the leading zero gets me 5,188,738 ... the patent is for
the COMPOSITION OF THE VESSELS, not the method. He's patenting
some methods of treating fluids removed from the body. He shows
no proof that they work, he's just patenting something that might
work if anyone can figure out the rest of the problem.

***novel electrically conductive treatment vessels*** for
treating blood and/or other body fluids and/or synthetic fluids
with electric field forces of appropriate electric field strength
to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body
fluids at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is
sufficient to render the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus
ineffective to infect or affect normally healthy cells while
maintaining the biological usefulness of the blood or other
fluids.

***For this purpose low voltage alternating current electric
potentials are applied to the treatment vessel which are of the
order of from about 0.2 to 12 volts and produce current flow
densities in the blood or other fluids of from one microampere
per square millimeter of electrode area exposed to the fluid
being treated to about two milliamperes per square millimeter.***

And interestingly:

[*] Notice: The portion of the term of this patent subsequent
to August 18, 2009 has been disclaimed.

DC - can you calculate how strong the current you would have to
apply to the body surface in order to reach a parasite in the
liver with a current of that strength? And what would it do to
my skin, and heart and the tissues in between?

Tsu Dho Nimh

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your kid and run for your life.

Patents don't mean jack - I could patent a UFO if I wished.
Just my 2 cents..
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Quoted message said:

f®Èé RådicaL said:

I do know that each cell in the body is an electrical system that

conducts

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

low-current electricity very well. Anyone can attest to this who has
experienced a static shock starting from the finger tip and felt all the

way

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to the toes and the head. Low current electricity is apparently lethal to
many pathogens, including parasites.

This has been proven in vitro. U.S. patent 05188738
(http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/Kaali%205188738.pdf) was granted

That patent appears to have never been granted.
from uspto.gov:
Results of Search in 1790-2003 db for:
PN/05188738: 0 patents.

dropping the leading zero gets me 5,188,738 ... the patent is for
the COMPOSITION OF THE VESSELS, not the method. He's patenting
some methods of treating fluids removed from the body. He shows
no proof that they work, he's just patenting something that might
work if anyone can figure out the rest of the problem.

***novel electrically conductive treatment vessels*** for
treating blood and/or other body fluids and/or synthetic fluids
with electric field forces of appropriate electric field strength
to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body
fluids at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is
sufficient to render the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus
ineffective to infect or affect normally healthy cells while
maintaining the biological usefulness of the blood or other
fluids.

***For this purpose low voltage alternating current electric
potentials are applied to the treatment vessel which are of the
order of from about 0.2 to 12 volts and produce current flow
densities in the blood or other fluids of from one microampere
per square millimeter of electrode area exposed to the fluid
being treated to about two milliamperes per square millimeter.***

And interestingly:

[*] Notice: The portion of the term of this patent subsequent
to August 18, 2009 has been disclaimed.

DC - can you calculate how strong the current you would have to
apply to the body surface in order to reach a parasite in the
liver with a current of that strength? And what would it do to
my skin, and heart and the tissues in between?

Tsu Dho Nimh

--
When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
your kid and run for your life.