Zabriskie abandons

Michael said:

Bob Roll is kind of blaming team CSC for abandoning him
in the TTT ("bleeding on the side of the road, in the yellow
jersey"😉. He said psychologically, it was a mental blow that
took a physical toll. I have no idea if this is the case. Thoughts?

m.

I
wasn't aware DZ was the team leader/contender for GC.

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Bob Roll is kind of blaming team CSC for abandoning him
in the TTT ("bleeding on the side of the road, in the yellow
jersey"😉. He said psychologically, it was a mental blow that
took a physical toll. I have no idea if this is the case. Thoughts?

m.

I disagree--the team goal was clearly to protect the GC standing of Ivan
Basso, as it should have been.

What I question is letting him start the next stage and continuing the Tour.
It was obvious to anyone watching that that was a pretty damaging
crash--maybe there were no obvious broken bones, but the internal damage is
still there. What's the point of having one of your young talents beat
himself up like that?

Michael said:

Bob Roll is kind of blaming team CSC for abandoning him
in the TTT ("bleeding on the side of the road, in the yellow
jersey"😉. He said psychologically, it was a mental blow that
took a physical toll. I have no idea if this is the case. Thoughts?

So much talk about a guy who got lucky with the winds on the first
day.

He'll live.

A decision must be made quickly one way or the other, which is
much better than hesitation, which happened in the past on CSC
and lost Jalabert the Yellow jersey. Recently, it was Phonak
which took over the job of losing lots of time by changing
their mind about waiting for someone.

-ilan

Michael a écrit :

Quoted message said:

Bob Roll is kind of blaming team CSC for abandoning him
in the TTT ("bleeding on the side of the road, in the yellow
jersey"😉. He said psychologically, it was a mental blow that
took a physical toll. I have no idea if this is the case. Thoughts?

m.

I'm always amazed when I see riders jump back on their bikes after a
hard crash and chase to get back in the bunch... when I've crashed in
crits, I usually quit.

But this is the Tour! This is a major defining moment in Zab's career,
and it speaks volumes about his character and spirit. His physical
injuries were not serious (as far as I know), and if he'd gotten
himself together and rode well for the rest of the race... maybe even
won another stage... I'd predict a bright future for him. Instead he
let it beat him.

and if he'd gotten

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himself together and rode well for the rest of the race... maybe even
won another stage... I'd predict a bright future for him. Instead he
let it beat him.

"Z" quit. He can forget about trying out for middle linebacker for the
Chicago Bears. I've ridden with many that have crashed for the first time,
had a little road rash, and quit riding. When asked why, they say like, "I
didn't know that could happen, I don't need that."

Callistus Valerius said:

and if he'd gotten

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himself together and rode well for the rest of the race... maybe even
won another stage... I'd predict a bright future for him. Instead he
let it beat him.

"Z" quit. He can forget about trying out for middle linebacker for the
Chicago Bears. I've ridden with many that have crashed for the first time,
had a little road rash, and quit riding. When asked why, they say like, "I
didn't know that could happen, I don't need that."

Still bitter about quitting, eh?

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But let's play your game anyway and ask what was the
point of having Basso continue the Giro after he got sick? Or having
Tyler Hamilton continue the Giro in '02 or the Tour in '03 after his
crashes

That wasn't Tyler, but his twin.

Callistus Valerius says...

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"Z" quit. He can forget about trying out for middle linebacker for the
Chicago Bears. I've ridden with many that have crashed for the first time,
had a little road rash, and quit riding. When asked why, they say like, "I
didn't know that could happen, I don't need that."

I don't know all that much about Z's history, but I'm willing to bet you fifty
bucks he's crashed before.

To tell you the truth, I think Bob Roll has a good point. Why couldn't one CSC
rider stick with Dave? He could have been hurt more seriously - how did they
know at the time? Seven could have continued to insure that a flat or crash
wouldn't devastate the team result. The morale point of view Roll continues to
make is significant in team sports. Whether or not it was a significant part of
why Z dropped out, we may never know. If he's riding for a different team soon,
I think you have your answer.

Tim Mullin says...

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That wasn't Tyler, but his twin.

Which one? I thought he had two?

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Still bitter about quitting, eh?

I quit one form of cycling only to discover another. When you are
catapulted 20 feet into the air, and turned into a human missile, and have
your helmet cracked in half, with only the people that were behind you to
tell you what happened, because you were knocked out, does have the effect
of changing your goals.

Callistus Valerius said:

"Z" quit. He can forget about trying out for middle linebacker for the
Chicago Bears.

zebraskie has crashed before and come back, so crashing might be a
problem for him but toughness isn't.

he quit because of stomach troubles, if you believe rbr pontificators
that's code for something else.

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I've ridden with many that have crashed for the first time,
had a little road rash, and quit riding. When asked why, they say like, "I
didn't know that could happen, I don't need that."

you're full of [censored]. i've never heard of someone saying anything like
that. who cycles and doesn't think they can get road rash ?

Michael said:

Bob Roll is kind of blaming team CSC for abandoning him
in the TTT ("bleeding on the side of the road, in the yellow
jersey"😉. He said psychologically, it was a mental blow that
took a physical toll. I have no idea if this is the case. Thoughts?

m.

Bob makes a bit much of it and seems to know it.

Saw the footage of him retiring that stand there and take it while they tear
your numbers off thing sucks.

Ron

amit said:

zebraskie has crashed before and come back, so crashing might be a
problem for him but toughness isn't.

He certainly has crashed... bad ones, too. He comes back, but it's like
1 or 2 years later... and he has a rep for being "nervous" in a pack.
That's not a good thing for a bike racer; unacceptable for a pro.

I've always had trouble getting my head straight and relaxing after
I've been in a crash... and I've had some bad ones, too.I know it's
right when I couldn't care less if I crash or not... and I'm less
likely to crash if I don't care. You just can't be worried about it at
all, or it messes everything up.

I admire the guys who can fall hard, and get right up and duke it out
for the win by the next day at least... seems like an essential feature
for a pro.

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Still bitter about quitting, eh?

I quit one form of cycling only to discover another. When you are
catapulted 20 feet into the air, and turned into a human missile, and have
your helmet cracked in half, with only the people that were behind you to
tell you what happened, because you were knocked out, does have the effect
of changing your goals.

Trails or road?

Mad Dog said:

To tell you the truth, I think Bob Roll has a good point. Why couldn't one CSC
rider stick with Dave? He could have been hurt more seriously - how did they
know at the time? Seven could have continued to insure that a flat or crash
wouldn't devastate the team result. The morale point of view Roll continues to
make is significant in team sports. Whether or not it was a significant part of
why Z dropped out, we may never know. If he's riding for a different team soon,
I think you have your answer.

Goddamn you are clueless. CSC was within a few seconds of winning the
stage and keeping the yellow jersey. DZ goes down, loosing the jersey
in the process. What value would there have been to leaving a rider
with him, considering DZ was not a GC contender in this tour? To play
doctor I suppose? CSC kept riding because they wanted to win the
stage. That was the only goal left for them to achieve after DZ
popped a boner for everyone in the world to see.

Regarding the team morale, like duh, of course it took a hit. Loosing
the yellow jersey is tough enough but to loose it that way is damn
demoralizing.

As far as to why DZ quit, do you really think it was because nobody
waited in the TTT? Boo-hoo, I'm going to take my toys and go home?
DZ wanted more than anything to keep riding, but the dude is banged
up. If he's unable to do his job, as in help the real GC contenders
in the mountains, then he's no help at all. Better to get him rested
and ready for the Vuelta.

MT

Michael Thomas said:

DZ goes down, loosing the jersey in the process.

Do you mean "loosening"? It did look pretty loose as he rode in.

Tim Mullin says...

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That wasn't Tyler, but his twin.

Mad Dog said:

Which one? I thought he had two?

The evil one.

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Still bitter about quitting, eh?

I quit one form of cycling only to discover another. When you are
catapulted 20 feet into the air, and turned into a human missile, and

have

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your helmet cracked in half, with only the people that were behind you

to

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tell you what happened, because you were knocked out, does have the

effect

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of changing your goals.

Trails or road?

Road of course. I can't ever ride a mountain bike. Jumping and all of
that. Looks like fun, but I just can't do it. Now on gravel roads, they're
fun, but in the desert, jumping those ravines, and falling into cactus,
flying through the air would be regular experience on a mtb. But the ground
is considerably softer than hitting a curb with your helmet, after being
thrown straight up into the air and then descending head first into a curb.
According to the guy behind me, my bike did a backwards 360 in the air, and
I ejected from the bike at the point where it started to come back to earth.
We were doing a fast descent, so there was a lot of stored energy for this
launch. The guy behind me said in all the years of cycling, he said it was
the damndest thing he ever saw. He said he has never seen a road bike go
straight up into the air like that. I just wish it wouldn't have been at my
expense, since the only memory I have of it, was going straight up, but
being knocked out, it erased the flight down from my memory. BTW, there
wasn't a scratch on the bike. In previous crashes, my bike was the one that
got trashed.