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  1. Dave LCHF wrote:
    :: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    ::
    :: You are invited to check it out.
    ::
    :: link:


    ::
    :: Dave
    ..

    Interesting stuff. Perhaps you have a point too. I suggest, if I may, that
    if you continue doing these that you make an outline and try to provide some
    kind of backup for your points. For example, why do you think that what you
    ate two months ago affects how your appestat directs your calorie intake
    today? There were a few other points that you threw out there with no
    support. I realize that it is your opinion, but why do you have those
    opinions.

    Good work.

  2. Dave LCHF wrote:
    :: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    ::
    :: You are invited to check it out.
    ::
    :: link:


    ::
    :: Dave

    Oh, I gave you 5 stars.

  3. I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

  4. "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    drug...what was it again?

  5. Dave LCHF said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    I liked the Mu-oon" altho a lousy wallmoon job.
    --
    After four months and being an American in Taipei I never want to hear
    ´Oh your koala very cute¡ ever again. If there is an off chance that if
    I do encounter a koala, I may have to punch it in the face as a result.
    Even a pretty koala looks ugly with a broken nose.

  6. AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~ wrote:
    :: "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :: message news:[email hidden]...
    ::: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    :::
    ::: You are invited to check it out.
    :::
    ::: link:


    :::
    ::: Dave
    :::
    ::
    :: Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    :: drug...what was it again?

    Curious that you're curious about the name of that drug.....

  7. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~ wrote:
    :: "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :: message news:[email hidden]...
    ::: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    :::
    ::: You are invited to check it out.
    :::
    ::: link:


    :::
    ::: Dave
    :::
    ::
    :: Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    :: drug...what was it again?

    Curious that you're curious about the name of that drug.....


    Hey, don't be coy, I wasn't ;D

    --
    ~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

  8. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Dave LCHF wrote:
    :: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    ::
    :: You are invited to check it out.
    ::
    :: link:


    ::
    :: Dave
    .

    Interesting stuff. Perhaps you have a point too. I suggest, if I may,
    that if you continue doing these that you make an outline and try to
    provide some kind of backup for your points. For example, why do you think
    that what you ate two months ago affects how your appestat directs your
    calorie intake today? There were a few other points that you threw out
    there with no support. I realize that it is your opinion, but why do you
    have those opinions.

    Good work.


    Thanks.

    Good point. 15 minutes seemed a bit long, but, in theory, I could go on for
    an hour on this stuff. I observed the delayed or slow (turtle vs. hare)
    characteristic of the appestat in reviews of Fitday data and in considering
    the very slow effect where a dieter fails in maintenance a year or two after
    losing weight. The appestat may be slower than I characterize in the video.
    The appestat is probably a much more powerful force than I represented too.
    However, I wanted to leave room for hope in the face of a formidable
    "Enemy."

    I tend to do my videos without editing, and after 15 minutes I get the
    feeling I should end the monolog before I screw it up.

    I had a very brief outline of my planned video. This vid, I feel, turned
    out better than my outline.

    There is a longer description of a study that supports the appestat concept
    in my video reply to Urgelt on: RE: Healthy Eating

  9. Dave LCHF wrote:
    :: "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: Dave LCHF wrote:
    ::::: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    :::::
    ::::: You are invited to check it out.
    :::::
    ::::: link:


    :::::
    ::::: Dave
    ::: .
    :::
    ::: Interesting stuff. Perhaps you have a point too. I suggest, if I
    ::: may, that if you continue doing these that you make an outline and
    ::: try to provide some kind of backup for your points. For example,
    ::: why do you think that what you ate two months ago affects how your
    ::: appestat directs your calorie intake today? There were a few other
    ::: points that you threw out there with no support. I realize that it
    ::: is your opinion, but why do you have those opinions.
    :::
    ::: Good work.
    :::
    :: Thanks.
    ::
    :: Good point. 15 minutes seemed a bit long, but, in theory, I could
    :: go on for an hour on this stuff. I observed the delayed or slow
    :: (turtle vs. hare) characteristic of the appestat in reviews of
    :: Fitday data and in considering the very slow effect where a dieter
    :: fails in maintenance a year or two after losing weight. The
    :: appestat may be slower than I characterize in the video. The
    :: appestat is probably a much more powerful force than I represented
    :: too. However, I wanted to leave room for hope in the face of a
    :: formidable "Enemy."

    I understand. Still, knowledge is power. Knowing your enemy is fundamental
    in defeating it.

    ::
    :: I tend to do my videos without editing, and after 15 minutes I get
    :: the feeling I should end the monolog before I screw it up.

    I do think you're probably right about the length. I did watch the entire
    series but I found other things interfering. So yes, going on and on and on
    will bore some people. Others will listen. It depends on the topic. I've
    long wanted to know more about your thoughts on this matter, so when you
    left out important info on why you think this or that, it left me empty.

    Still, you're on to a good thing here, Dave. You can always revisit a topic
    and add more depth to get your notions across. I think it is obvious that
    there is something within that drives us to want to overconsume. Knowing as
    much as possible about it is a good way to keep it under control.

    I think you ought to write a book. "The Urges Within." Again, it just your
    opinion but so what? Your opinion is your opinion. I may disagree with some
    things you say, but I'd still enjoy hearing you say them and hearing your
    reasons for thinking such.

    ::
    :: I had a very brief outline of my planned video. This vid, I feel,
    :: turned out better than my outline.
    ::
    :: There is a longer description of a study that supports the appestat
    :: concept in my video reply to Urgelt on: RE: Healthy Eating

    Perhaps it's just me....but Youtube is kind of hard to follow & use. It has
    a very non-linear nature that frustrates me because I can't follow what I
    had initially wanted to follow because when I follow one thing it gives me
    something different to follow. I find I waste time with that. I have the
    same problem when looking at cycling videos.

  10. "AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    drug...what was it again?

    I assumed someone would save me effort and remind me of the name of the
    drug. I have not done a new web search since the video. The name was an
    acronym with 3 letters. It was something like DLP, or DPH, or HLM. I just
    can't remember. I suspect that webpages about it are suppressed because of
    the dangers of the drug. It may be hard to post a webpage about an illegal
    drug without calling attention to one's self. This may be part of the
    problem. Several years ago there were a lot of webpages about it, but I had
    the correct chemical name and the 3 letter abbreviation to search for.

    I'll search again soon. I'll bet it is in Wikipedia.

  11. Dave LCHF said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Well, now, aside from the rambling, there is uh more rambling. Including
    a definition of how the apestat works. Pass that along to World Of
    Science, Dave, they can't agree how it functions and some don't agree
    that it is cantered in the hypothalamus.

    Dave has several premises, none new, the apestat has been fooled by
    alien chemicals, etc and at least he does say these are opinions.

    What we do know about its functioning is that gluttony, psychosomatic
    issues and other conscious and unconscious mechanisms will override it.
    When that happens, obesity occurs.

    The single problem with the apestat as Dave believes is his assertion
    that it is calorically driven. If you follow his video, he states that
    the apestat regulates food intake by telling us when we are full or when
    we need to eat. This is hogwash because the apestat knows volume not
    calories when eating. Why would we expect that it could count calories
    when humans have no exact way of doing that (outside of a laboratory)
    themselves.

    Further, I can't count the number of times I have been calorie deficient
    to activity levels and not felt any need to eat whatsoever.

    But isn't that what hunger is, the need to eat? It may be an indication
    but it certainly isn't the warning signal we all want to make it. Hunger
    can be nothing more than having an empty stomach, nothing more than
    that. Do obese people never get hungry? Hearing from them, you would
    think hey have increased hunger levels. I believe they have increased
    sensitivity to empty stomachs.

    I applaud Dave's efforts, I really do but like most people, he's dieting
    down the wrong track. The body will lie to you even when it is unaltered
    chemically and otherwise.

    If we re-look at hunger as nothing more than a suggestion to eat, that
    an empty stomach is inconvenient but not necessarily drives a food
    intake plan, who cares whether or not our apestats are out of whack.

    I eat less than two pounds of food nearly every day. I add an Ounce Of
    Common Sense in food selection. I ignore hunger, have few empty stomach
    issues, it is used to being empty.

    Two pounds of food daily is very easy to learn, portion sizes become
    second nature, I stopped weighing out my food after six weeks +/-. The
    only time my weight fluctuates is when I find myself eating multiple
    times a day for whatever reason usually since I know that there will be
    no time for the one meal I customarily always eat, dinner.

    Even then, my stomach and my fullness tell me very quickly as I become
    uncomfortable as I exceed that 2PD limitation.

    So Dave, you made many valid points but Joliffe when he coined the term
    five decades ago, he was talking about a complex biochemical mechanism
    but he forgot to say that the apestat works best only to keep one from
    starving to death.

    --
    http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html

  12. Dave LCHF said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Well, now, aside from the rambling, there is uh more rambling. Including
    a definition of how the apestat works. Pass that along to World Of
    Science, Dave, they can't agree how it functions and some don't agree
    that it is cantered in the hypothalamus.

    Dave has several premises, none new, the apestat has been fooled by
    alien chemicals, etc and at least he does say these are opinions.

    What we do know about its functioning is that gluttony, psychosomatic
    issues and other conscious and unconscious mechanisms will override it.
    When that happens, obesity occurs.

    The single problem with the apestat as Dave believes is his assertion
    that it is calorically driven. If you follow his video, he states that
    the apestat regulates food intake by telling us when we are full or when
    we need to eat. This is hogwash because the apestat knows volume not
    calories when eating. Why would we expect that it could count calories
    when humans have no exact way of doing that (outside of a laboratory)
    themselves.

    Further, I can't count the number of times I have been calorie deficient
    to activity levels and not felt any need to eat whatsoever.

    But isn't that what hunger is, the need to eat? It may be an indication
    but it certainly isn't the warning signal we all want to make it. Hunger
    can be nothing more than having an empty stomach, nothing more than
    that. Do obese people never get hungry? Hearing from them, you would
    think hey have increased hunger levels. I believe they have increased
    sensitivity to empty stomachs.

    I applaud Dave's efforts, I really do but like most people, he's dieting
    down the wrong track. The body will lie to you even when it is unaltered
    chemically and otherwise.

    If we re-look at hunger as nothing more than a suggestion to eat, that
    an empty stomach is inconvenient but not necessarily drives a food
    intake plan, who cares whether or not our apestats are out of whack.

    I eat less than two pounds of food nearly every day. I add an Ounce Of
    Common Sense in food selection. I ignore hunger, have few empty stomach
    issues, it is used to being empty.

    Two pounds of food daily is very easy to learn, portion sizes become
    second nature, I stopped weighing out my food after six weeks +/-. The
    only time my weight fluctuates is when I find myself eating multiple
    times a day for whatever reason usually since I know that there will be
    no time for the one meal I customarily always eat, dinner.

    Even then, my stomach and my fullness tell me very quickly as I become
    uncomfortable as I exceed that 2PD limitation.

    So Dave, you made many valid points but Joliffe when he coined the term
    five decades ago, he was talking about a complex biochemical mechanism
    but he forgot to say that the apestat works best only to keep one from
    starving to death.

    --
    http://www.steppenwolf.com/lyr/mnnster.html

  13. "AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    drug...what was it again?

    I found the illegal drug info!

    The drug is called DIP for Dinitrophenol.

  14. "AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~ wrote:
    :: "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :: message news:[email hidden]...
    ::: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    :::
    ::: You are invited to check it out.
    :::
    ::: link:


    :::
    ::: Dave
    :::
    ::
    :: Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    :: drug...what was it again?

    Curious that you're curious about the name of that drug.....


    Hey, don't be coy, I wasn't ;D

    --
    ~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

    The drug is called DNP for Dinitrophenol.

  15. DNP not DIP
    I pasted that. There was no way I made a typo.
    "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."

    You are invited to check it out.

    link:

    Dave

    Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    drug...what was it again?

    I found the illegal drug info!

    The drug is called DIP for Dinitrophenol.

  16. "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    AnonomissX aka ~Melodie~ wrote:
    :: "Dave LCHF" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :: message news:[email hidden]...
    ::: I made a diet video on YouTube about "The Appestat."
    :::
    ::: You are invited to check it out.
    :::
    ::: link:


    :::
    ::: Dave
    :::
    ::
    :: Hey, on the last video on weight loss, you mention a suppressed diet
    :: drug...what was it again?

    Curious that you're curious about the name of that drug.....


    Hey, don't be coy, I wasn't ;D

    --
    ~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

    The drug is called DNP for Dinitrophenol.

    Thanks, I couldn't begin to know what words to google it based on your
    video...I like getting the most information about something, doesn't mean I
    agree with it or will take the substance..

    --
    ~Melodie~ Aka AnonomissX

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