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  1. An on- line primer for *Fat* meat and grease eating American
    and UK victims.

    Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year. It is
    estimated that as many as one in five Americans is obese, a
    condition defined as being more than 30 percent above the
    ideal weight based on height. Even more alarming is that
    fact that obesity rates for children have doubled over the
    past 20 years, and overweight children are being diagnosed
    with obesity-related illnesses such as diabetes, sleep apnea
    and respiratory illnesses that in the past have only
    afflicted adults.

    As the health care costs of treating obesity-related
    illnesses mount, some are looking to place the blame for
    increasing obesity rates on the purveyors of fast food.
    Facing fierce competition for customer loyalty, fast food
    chains such as McDonalds, Burger King and Wendy's have
    promoted their over-sized burgers, extra-large servings for
    fries, and buckets of soda, all at low prices. Busy and cash-
    strapped families increasingly rely on take-out food for
    family dinners, and regular consumption of over-sized
    portions of fatty foods can leads to widespread obesity.

    Some trial lawyers, fresh from a $90 million (and growing)
    windfall from the tobacco lawsuits, have set their sites on
    fast food companies. Following the tobacco lawsuit model,
    some argue that these companies should be held liable for
    the health care costs of treating illnesses associated with
    obesity, since they peddle dangerously unhealthy foods to
    unwitting consumers. The combination of the staggering
    number of obese Americans and the fat wallets of the fast
    food companies makes such lawsuits a tantalizing prospect
    for many trial lawyers and their potential clients.

    On One Hand

    The portions served by fast food chains and other
    restaurants are far larger than the recommended portion size
    for most foods. Food costs for restaurants are relatively
    low, compared to the costs of rent and labor, so it makes
    sense for them to offer larger portions that make their
    customers feel like they are getting a bang for the buck.

    As American eat out more and more frequently, they become
    accustomed to those oversized portion, and think that
    such portions are normal. The high caloric content of
    these large servings leads to weight gain for regular
    fast food customers, and obesity can lead to many
    dangerous health problems.

    Fast food chains do not alert their customers to the
    hazardously high calorie and fat content of the food they
    offer. They deserve some of the blame for the epidemic of
    obesity, and lawsuits brought by victims of their toxic food
    would force these companies to take some responsibility for
    their dangerous products.

    On the Other Hand

    Cigarettes contain substances that are addictive to smokers,
    and tobacco companies have been made to pay the price for
    selling a product that is dangerous to the health of their
    customers. But no one can claim that a Big Mac or a Whopper
    is addictive. They may be tasty, and people may eat too many
    of them, but McDonalds and Burger King are not responsible
    for their customers' lack of self-control.

    Lawsuits against fast food companies on behalf of obese
    "victims" would say more about the greed of trial lawyers
    than about any real danger posed by fast food. Most people
    choose to eat fast food even though they know it's bad for
    them. Individuals have to take responsibility for that
    choice, not the company that provides the food.

    The US. Department of Agriculture estimates the cost at
    more than $ 71 billion a year in added health-care and
    related expenses.

    In 1991, one in eight Americans were obese. In 1999, the
    number had increased to one in five.

    A study by Policy Analysis Inc. concluded that overweight
    people cost their employers $12.7 billion in sick time and
    insurance coverage in 1994 alone.

    It is estimated that kids get up to 40 percent of their
    meals from fast-food chains, convenience stores and
    restaurants.

    There are fast-food franchise outlets in 13 percent of the
    nation's schools.

    One American Medical Association study estimates that
    300,000 Americans die each year from obesity-related causes
    such as heart disease, diabetes and stroke.

    Obesity levels are sky-rocketing despite the fact that $33
    billion a year is spent on weight-loss aids.

    Washington Post, Guest Choice Network, the Nation, Time

    Agree Fast food portions are getting larger and larger
    and so are the waistlines of many Americans. Restaurants
    that offer "super-sized" food should be held liable for
    the numerous health problems that result from their
    customers' consumption.

    Disagree Where there is a demand, there will be a supply.
    Individuals choose what they eat, and if they choose to
    indulge on fattening fast food, they are responsible for
    the resulting weight gain - not the companies that supply
    it.

    Conclusion Never eat at fast food joints. It damages not
    only your health, but also your pocket. Even if you chose a
    vegetarian or vegan option, it still damages your profile
    and street cred. Buy some decent food and take it home, or
    back to work and turn it into something nourishing and
    healthy at the fraction of the price.

    Also never eat and work at the same time, show your guts
    some respect.

    Should your lifestyle demand that you eat at these places or
    in the car, well - get another job. The work will be there
    long after you are dead.

    Same with your cell phones, get rid of em! They cause stress
    and make you look daft in public places. But keep one in the
    car for outgoing emergency calls.

    If you are not at home or in the office - you are not
    available period. People will soon get used to the fact and
    value the precious time you chose to share with them.

    Don't be another brick in the wall, bring down the wall and
    those who chose to exploit you.

    Ignore at your peril

    Ray.

  2. Ray said:

    Ignore at your peril

  3. Ray said:

    An on- line primer for *Fat* meat and grease eating
    American and UK victims.

    You should've saved your breath and posted a primer for afv
    veg-ns whose recipes show a predilection for fried and
    sugary foods.

    Quoted message said:

    Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.

    So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    As the health care costs of treating obesity-related
    illnesses mount, some are looking to place the blame for
    increasing obesity rates on the purveyors of fast food.
    Facing fierce competition for customer loyalty, fast food
    chains such as McDonalds,

    McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has stopped
    the practice of super-sizing, and promoting exercise. WTTW.

    Quoted message said:

    Burger King

    Purveyors of the Veggie Whopper, endorsed by vegan
    activist Erik Marcus even though the Veggie Whopper isn't
    vegan. WTTW.

    Quoted message said:

    and Wendy's

    Wendy's has had salad bars and baked potatoes for many
    years. They've also pushed their low-fat menu items
    through the years as healthful alternatives to burgers and
    fries. WTTW.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    The portions served by fast food chains and other
    restaurants are far larger than the recommended portion
    size for most foods. Food costs for restaurants are
    relatively low, compared to the costs of rent and labor,
    so it makes sense for them to offer larger portions that
    make their customers feel like they are getting a bang for
    the buck.

    And they are getting bang for the buck. In moderation,
    their food is not a problem. In excess over a period of
    time, it can be.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    Fast food chains do not alert their customers to the
    hazardously high calorie and fat content of the food
    they offer.

    WTF do you call the nutrition charts on the walls of their
    restaurants? People don't read labels at the store, either,
    despite mandatory labeling to help consumers make wiser,
    more nutritious choices.

    Quoted message said:

    They deserve some of the blame for the epidemic of
    obesity,

    I disagree. Fast food nutritional information is widely
    available. Consumers are ultimately responsible for their
    decisions.

    Quoted message said:

    and lawsuits brought by victims of their toxic food

    Hyperbole. The food sold at McD's and other outlets is
    healthful, not toxic.

    Quoted message said:

    would force these companies to take some responsibility
    for their dangerous products.

    I disagree with your version of "responsibility." You are
    personally responsible for what you put in your own body.
    Food, generally speaking (and discounting allergies,
    pathogens, etc.), is not acutely dangerous. An occasional
    Big Mac or Whopper with fries -- even super-sized -- is not
    problematic, especially if the consumer gets plenty of
    exercise and/or adjusts later caloric intake. The problem is
    most people in the West have become sedentary, so it doesn't
    get worked off even if they eat a smaller meal later in the
    day or the next day. Over time, they gain weight. McD's
    isn't responsible for their over-eating, nor is McD's
    responsible for their lack of exercise.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    Where there is a demand, there will be a supply.
    Individuals choose what they eat,

    Which is why I do not blame sellers for individual choices.

    Quoted message said:

    and if they choose to indulge on fattening fast food, they
    are responsible for the resulting weight gain - not the
    companies that supply
    it.

    Conclusion Never eat at fast food joints.

    It needn't be that drastic. Just use common sense. If you
    eat a 1200 calorie meal, restrict the calories in your next
    meal or go for a brisk walk, take the stairs, park far from
    store entrances, etc.

    Quoted message said:

    It damages not only your health, but also your pocket.

    Not when it's consumed in moderation and with a reasonable
    perspective about further caloric intake/expenditure.

    <...

  4. "Ray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    [snip [censored]]

    Quoted message said:

    Ignore at your peril

    Ray.

    [censored], stupid fat scumsucking wog Ray.

  5. "Wilson Woods" <prickerbû[email protected]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ray said:

    Ignore at your peril


    FU2 ~~jonnie~~

    BTW Are you going on the 'Peto Trek'?

    Don't forget your spade. Bears [censored] in the woods, but you
    have no excuse.

  6. "usual suspect" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ray said:

    An on- line primer for *Fat* meat and grease eating
    American and UK


    victims.

    Quoted message said:


    You should've saved your breath and posted a primer for
    afv veg-ns whose


    recipes

    Quoted message said:

    show a predilection for fried and sugary foods.

    Quoted message said:

    Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.

    So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek, but yes we do have a
    problem with obesity. (takes us about 10 years to
    catch up with the US)

    Quoted message said:


    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    As the health care costs of treating obesity-related
    illnesses mount,


    some

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are looking to place the blame for increasing obesity
    rates on the


    purveyors

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of fast food. Facing fierce competition for customer
    loyalty, fast food chains such as McDonalds,

    McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has
    stopped the practice of super-sizing, and promoting
    exercise. WTTW.

    For their own gain, not the punters. Buying water? I know
    it happens, people must have their minds clouded by the
    media. No doubt you are aware of the "Coca Cola" bottled
    tap water scam in the UK? Even we were not daft enough to
    fall for that one!

    Why do people eat at McD's? If you can't afford to eat in
    decent surroundings you clearly can't afford to 'eat out'

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Burger King

    Purveyors of the Veggie Whopper, endorsed by vegan
    activist Erik Marcus


    even

    Quoted message said:

    though the Veggie Whopper isn't vegan. WTTW.

    Same applies.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    and Wendy's

    Wendy's has had salad bars and baked potatoes for many
    years. They've also pushed their low-fat menu items
    through the years as healthful


    alternatives to

    Quoted message said:

    burgers and fries. WTTW.

    And again.

    Quoted message said:


    <...>

    All fast food joints targeted at preconditioned souls.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The portions served by fast food chains and other
    restaurants are far


    larger

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    than the recommended portion size for most foods. Food
    costs for


    restaurants

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are relatively low, compared to the costs of rent and
    labor, so it makes sense for them to offer larger
    portions that make their customers feel


    like

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they are getting a bang for the buck.

    They need more than a bang for eating in such low class
    establishments.

    Quoted message said:


    And they are getting bang for the buck. In moderation,
    their food is not a problem. In excess over a period of
    time, it can be.

    <...>

    Lack of education.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fast food chains do not alert their customers to the
    hazardously high calorie and fat content of the food
    they offer.

    WTF do you call the nutrition charts on the walls of their
    restaurants?


    People

    Quoted message said:

    don't read labels at the store, either, despite mandatory
    labeling to help consumers make wiser, more nutritious
    choices.

    Correct, people over here do not read the contents or
    nutritional info, but they do read the 'sell by date'.
    Illustrates what idiots they are. I have consumed frozen
    food 2 years out of date and canned food 15 years old, I'm
    still here.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    They deserve some of the blame for the epidemic of
    obesity,

    I disagree. Fast food nutritional information is widely
    available.


    Consumers are

    Quoted message said:

    ultimately responsible for their decisions.

    They are, but who decides on what they base their decisions
    - The Mass Media Advertising on TV.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    and lawsuits brought by victims of their toxic food

    Hyperbole. The food sold at McD's and other outlets is
    healthful, not


    toxic.

    The food sold at any fast food outlet is garbage, targeted
    at those who do not know good from bad.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    would force these companies to take some responsibility
    for their dangerous products.

    I disagree with your version of "responsibility." You are
    personally


    responsible

    Quoted message said:

    for what you put in your own body. Food, generally
    speaking (and


    discounting

    Quoted message said:

    allergies, pathogens, etc.), is not acutely dangerous. An
    occasional Big


    Mac or

    Quoted message said:

    Whopper with fries -- even super-sized -- is not
    problematic, especially


    if the

    Quoted message said:

    consumer gets plenty of exercise and/or adjusts later
    caloric intake. The problem is most people in the West
    have become sedentary, so it doesn't


    get

    Quoted message said:

    worked off even if they eat a smaller meal later in the
    day or the next


    day.

    Quoted message said:

    Over time, they gain weight. McD's isn't responsible
    for their


    over-eating, nor

    Quoted message said:

    is McD's responsible for their lack of exercise.

    People should exercise their brains and stay away from
    such places.

    Quoted message said:


    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    Where there is a demand, there will be a supply.
    Individuals choose what they eat,

    Sadly, the choice is already made for them. They are
    conditioned.

    Quoted message said:


    Which is why I do not blame sellers for individual
    choices.

    Quoted message said:

    and if they choose to indulge on fattening fast food,
    they are responsible for the resulting weight gain - not
    the companies that


    supply

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it.

    Dead right, so it's a matter of education?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Conclusion Never eat at fast food joints.

    But why should anyone want to eat at a fast food joint?
    What's happened to standards?

    Quoted message said:


    It needn't be that drastic. Just use common sense. If you
    eat a 1200


    calorie

    Quoted message said:

    meal, restrict the calories in your next meal or go for a
    brisk walk, take


    the

    Quoted message said:

    stairs, park far from store entrances, etc.

    1200 cal is rather on the high side - don't you think?

    Better still, stay at home and have something decent.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    It damages not only your health, but also your pocket.

    Not when it's consumed in moderation and with a reasonable
    perspective


    about

    Quoted message said:

    further caloric intake/expenditure.

    A waste of money can go by no other name.

    Personally if all the fast food joints served nothing but
    100% Vegetarian fayre, I still would not eat at the
    places, they are simply that type of place where one does
    not like to be seen. Such places are for kids lacking
    parential guidance.

    A good meal should be enjoyed in an equally good atmosphere.
    What's happened to pride and taste these days.

    Not a sign of my age, I've always subscribe to such
    etiquette.

    Quoted message said:


    <...

  7. "Ray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    "Wilson Woods" <prickerbû[email protected]> wrote in
    message -"]news:[email hidden]-
    hlink.net...

    Quoted message said:
    Ray said:

    Ignore at your peril


    Quoted message said:


    FU2 ~~jonnie~~

    BTW Are you going on the 'Peto Trek'?

    Don't forget your spade. Bears [censored] in the woods, but you
    have no excuse.

    Quoted message said:

    [censored], fat stupid wog Ray.

  8. Ray wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.

    So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian at all.

    Quoted message said:

    but yes we do have a problem with obesity. (takes us about
    10 years to catch up with the US)

    I doubt that. Your obesity problem is every bit as serious
    as, and of a comparable scale to, ours.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has
    stopped the practice of super-sizing, and promoting
    exercise. WTTW.

    For their own gain, not the punters.

    The same is true of your local farmer, yet you buy his veg
    and milk and eggs. You charge your clientele enough to
    make what you do worth the time. I don't blame others for
    making profits.

    Quoted message said:

    Buying water? I know it happens, people must have their
    minds clouded by the media.

    You buy your water, too. You pay rates even for well water,
    don't you.

    Quoted message said:

    No doubt you are aware of the "Coca Cola" bottled tap
    water scam in the UK? Even we were not daft enough to fall
    for that one!

    Most bottled waters are from municipal sources. Read the
    labels. Again, I have no problem with those who can make a
    profit -- I applaud them. If you want an overpriced bottled
    water story, I've had to pay $3.50 per liter of bottled
    water at professional baseball games. And this should make
    *you* cry -- they sell beer at the ballpark for $7.50 per
    can or bottle. Again, I have no problem. I voluntarily paid
    $30ish per seat and $3.50 per liter of water (and the same
    price per bag of peanuts) to watch a group of multi-
    millionaires work. What a country!

    Quoted message said:

    Why do people eat at McD's?

    A variety of factors. Ask Derk. He looks like he eats there
    a few times per week.

    Quoted message said:

    If you can't afford to eat in decent surroundings you
    clearly can't afford to 'eat out'

    I don't consider grabbing a burger "eating out." Most of my
    friends who eat at fast food places do it as a matter of
    convenience, not as a luxury. They take their wives or
    girlfriends out to other restaurants.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Fast food chains do not alert their customers to the
    hazardously high calorie and fat content of the food
    they offer.

    WTF do you call the nutrition charts on the walls of their
    restaurants?


    People

    Quoted message said:

    don't read labels at the store, either, despite mandatory
    labeling to help consumers make wiser, more nutritious
    choices.

    Correct, people over here do not read the contents or
    nutritional info, but they do read the 'sell by date'.
    Illustrates what idiots they are.

    I agree. Ultimately, we're individually responsible for the
    choices we make. I oppose requirin businesses to present a
    calorie count on each bag or for each customer. That
    information is already available to consumers. It doesn't
    stop them from pigging out.

    Quoted message said:

    I have consumed frozen food 2 years out of date and canned
    food 15 years old, I'm still here.

    You buy the expiries at Tesco?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    They deserve some of the blame for the epidemic of
    obesity,

    I disagree. Fast food nutritional information is widely
    available.


    Consumers are

    Quoted message said:

    ultimately responsible for their decisions.

    They are, but who decides on what they base their
    decisions - The Mass Media Advertising on TV.

    No, you're wrong. Advertising doesn't force or coerce others
    to do things. It *does* attempt to appeal to consumer
    desires, but fat people shouldn't be sitting in front of TVs
    anyway. They should be working out, walking, burning up some
    of their excess girth. Turn it off, tune out the adverts, or
    even read the nutritional information before ordering. It's
    still an individual decision and responsibility.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and lawsuits brought by victims of their toxic food

    Hyperbole. The food sold at McD's and other outlets is
    healthful, not


    toxic.

    The food sold at any fast food outlet is garbage,

    No, it's of tested quality. It also has to meet the
    standards of various health and agricultural agencies.

    Quoted message said:

    targeted at those who do not know good from bad.

    I don't view consumers as being entirely ignorant. I think
    most consumers are genuinely ambivelant about their long-
    term health, at least when it comes to their daily
    decisions. People are the same about money: why save for
    tomorrow when I can buy a new tv or computer for today?

    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Where there is a demand, there will be a supply.
    Individuals choose what they eat,

    Sadly, the choice is already made for them. They are
    conditioned.

    I don't think consumers are automatons. The fact that fast
    food places offer salads and veggie burgers shows that those
    companies respond to consumer demand. Demands change, so do
    menus. When enough people want healthier fare, the fast food
    places have responded with them.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It needn't be that drastic. Just use common sense. If you
    eat a 1200


    calorie

    Quoted message said:

    meal, restrict the calories in your next meal or go for a
    brisk walk, take


    the

    Quoted message said:

    stairs, park far from store entrances, etc.

    1200 cal is rather on the high side - don't you think?

    It's all relative and depends on the person and his or her
    activity level and whether or not he or she makes further
    adjustment to compensate. For a "normal" or sedentary
    person, a 1200 calorie meal by itself on *occasion* should
    be okay (celebrations, holidays, etc.), especially if that
    person adjusted caloric intake before or afterward and/or
    got some exercise to burn it. It would be problematic if the
    person consumed that much often without adjusting at other
    meals or getting exercise.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    Personally if all the fast food joints served nothing but
    100% Vegetarian fayre, I still would not eat at the
    places, they are simply that type of place where one does
    not like to be seen.

    You sound like Hyacinth Bucket.

    Quoted message said:

    Such places are for kids lacking parential guidance.

    I think it's appropriate to take children to fast food
    places on special occasions. I don't think a child's diet
    should be based on chicken nuggets, fries, and soft drinks.
    Most kids get a bit more variation than that.

    Quoted message said:

    A good meal should be enjoyed in an equally good
    atmosphere. What's happened to pride and taste these days.

    I ask myself that very question quite often when reading
    some of your racist posts in these newsgroups.

    Quoted message said:

    Not a sign of my age, I've always subscribe to such
    etiquette.

    Funny that your "etiquette" includes calling people from
    other races a litany of foul and despicable names. At least
    you keep up your appearances in propah restaurants.

  9. usual suspect said:

    Ray wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.

    So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian at
    all.

    Quoted message said:

    but yes we do have a problem with obesity. (takes us
    about 10 years to catch up with the US)

    I doubt that. Your obesity problem is every bit as serious
    as, and of a comparable scale to, ours.

    Some years back, I read that the incidence of heart attack
    and coronary artery disease in Great Britain was 50% higher
    than in what was then West Germany. At the time, GB had a
    population of some 56 million, while W. Germany had about 61
    million. And Germans are not petite people, either.

    I don't know how many other Britons are blubbery obese
    lard-asses like Derk, but for sure they don't eat a
    healthful diet.

    Quoted message said:


    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has
    stopped the practice of super-sizing, and promoting
    exercise. WTTW.

    For their own gain, not the punters.

    The same is true of your local farmer, yet you buy his veg
    and milk and eggs. You charge your clientele enough to
    make what you do worth the time. I don't blame others for
    making profits.

    Quoted message said:

    Buying water? I know it happens, people must have their
    minds clouded by the media.

    You buy your water, too. You pay rates even for well
    water, don't you.

    Quoted message said:

    No doubt you are aware of the "Coca Cola" bottled tap
    water scam in the UK? Even we were not daft enough to
    fall for that one!

    Most bottled waters are from municipal sources. Read the
    labels. Again, I have no problem with those who can make a
    profit -- I applaud them. If you want an overpriced
    bottled water story, I've had to pay $3.50 per liter of
    bottled water at professional baseball games. And this
    should make *you* cry -- they sell beer at the ballpark
    for $7.50 per can or bottle. Again, I have no problem. I
    voluntarily paid $30ish per seat and $3.50 per liter of
    water (and the same price per bag of peanuts) to watch a
    group of multi-millionaires work. What a country!

    Quoted message said:

    Why do people eat at McD's?

    A variety of factors. Ask Derk. He looks like he eats
    there a few times per week.

    A few times PER DAY.

  10. "Dieter" <d.Schmidt@deutsche_telekom.de> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    usual suspect said:

    Ray wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:

    >> Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.
    >
    >
    > So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian
    at all.

    To the best of my knowlege (which is extensive) he's a
    vegan. You ignorant

    <snip

  11. Dieter said:
    usual suspect said:

    Ray wrote: <...>

    Quoted message said:

    >> Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.
    >
    >
    >
    > So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian
    at all.

    Quoted message said:

    but yes we do have a problem with obesity. (takes us
    about 10 years to catch up with the US)

    I doubt that. Your obesity problem is every bit as
    serious as, and of a comparable scale to, ours.

    Some years back, I read that the incidence of heart
    attack and coronary artery disease in Great Britain was
    50% higher than in what was then West Germany. At the
    time, GB had a population of some 56 million, while W.
    Germany had about 61 million. And Germans are not petite
    people, either.

    That's interesting, and believable. I found the following
    while looking for links to the next point about obesity in
    the UK: Despite 30 years in decline, the UK death rate from
    CHD is still one of the highest in Western Europe – only
    Finland and Ireland have slightly higher rates.

    That means a working age man is more than twice as
    likely to die from CHD in the UK than in Italy. The
    UK death rate is also higher than most other
    developed countries, including USA, Australia and
    Japan. medicalnewstoday.commedicalnews.
    php?newsid=9090

    Quoted message said:

    I don't know how many other Britons are blubbery obese lard-
    asses like Derk,

    A lot: quote.bloomberg.comnews
    d=aYHoQVzhf8OM&refer=uk

    Quoted message said:

    but for sure they don't eat a healthful diet.

    You don't see many restaurants featuring British cuisine.
    Americans don't care much for English-style puddings (most
    Americans would refuse to try *anything* called "spotted
    [censored]"😉, limp fried potatoes, or over-boiled vegetables.

    Their problems are complicated by the fact that they're one
    of the most sedentary populations on earth.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    > McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has
    > stopped the practice of super-sizing, and promoting
    > exercise. WTTW.

    For their own gain, not the punters.

    The same is true of your local farmer, yet you buy his
    veg and milk and eggs. You charge your clientele enough
    to make what you do worth the time. I don't blame others
    for making profits.

    Quoted message said:

    Buying water? I know it happens, people must have their
    minds clouded by the media.

    You buy your water, too. You pay rates even for well
    water, don't you.

    Quoted message said:

    No doubt you are aware of the "Coca Cola" bottled tap
    water scam in the UK? Even we were not daft enough to
    fall for that one!

    Most bottled waters are from municipal sources. Read the
    labels. Again, I have no problem with those who can make
    a profit -- I applaud them. If you want an overpriced
    bottled water story, I've had to pay $3.50 per liter of
    bottled water at professional baseball games. And this
    should make *you* cry -- they sell beer at the ballpark
    for $7.50 per can or bottle. Again, I have no problem. I
    voluntarily paid $30ish per seat and $3.50 per liter of
    water (and the same price per bag of peanuts) to watch a
    group of multi-millionaires work. What a country!

    Quoted message said:

    Why do people eat at McD's?

    A variety of factors. Ask Derk. He looks like he eats
    there a few times per week.

    A few times PER DAY.

    He looks like he supersizes, too.

  12. Ray said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.
    >
    >So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.

    I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian at
    all.

    Quoted message said:

    but yes we do have a problem with obesity. (takes us
    about 10 years to catch up with the US)

    I doubt that. Your obesity problem is every bit as serious
    as, and of a comparable scale to, ours.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    >McD's is now selling salads and bottled water, has
    >stopped the practice


    of

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >super-sizing, and promoting exercise. WTTW.

    For their own gain, not the punters.

    Quoted message said:

    The same is true of your local farmer, yet you buy his veg
    and milk and


    eggs.

    Quoted message said:

    You charge your clientele enough to make what you do worth
    the time. I


    don't

    Quoted message said:

    blame others for making profits.

    No problem if it's a fair profit.

    I have a libertarian approach to free markets: all profits
    are fair. The low prices for food at fast food places aren't
    examples of price-gouging, much less do they constitute
    monopolies. Quite the contrary -- competition exists in that
    industry and benefits the consumer (at least in the
    pocketbook; not so in the waistline for too many people).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Buying water? I know it happens, people must have their
    minds clouded by the media.

    You buy your water, too. You pay rates even for well
    water, don't you.

    Of course, but not at $3.50 a litre.

    Bottled water isn't that expensive in most stores, etc. That
    was an extreme example. The point is that we all pay for
    water, even if we have to pay for power to pump it out of
    our own wells.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    No doubt you are aware of the "Coca Cola" bottled tap
    water scam in the UK? Even we were not daft


    enough

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to fall for that one!

    Most bottled waters are from municipal sources. Read the
    labels. Again, I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    no problem with those who can make a profit -- I applaud
    them. If you want


    an

    Quoted message said:

    overpriced bottled water story, I've had to pay $3.50 per
    liter of bottled


    water

    Quoted message said:

    at professional baseball games. And this should make *you*
    cry -- they


    sell beer

    Quoted message said:

    at the ballpark for $7.50 per can or bottle.

    I would hate to get [censored] there:-)

    I remember as a child when the Astros (my favorite team)
    had this beer promotion. They had a light on the
    scoreboard in the Astrodome that would go on and off every
    15 minutes during the game. If someone hit a homerun while
    the light was on, they'd sell beer for like 50 cents until
    the light went off again. They finally ended that kind of
    promotion following DUIs and too many traffic accidents
    from drink-driving. It was funny, though, to see throngs
    of applauding men head for the beer stands at once in
    middle of the inning.

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I have no problem. I

    Quoted message said:

    voluntarily paid $30ish per seat and $3.50 per liter of
    water (and the


    same

    Quoted message said:

    price per bag of peanuts) to watch a group of multi-
    millionaires work.


    What a

    Quoted message said:

    country!

    What a "rip off", still I suppose there is an [censored] for
    every seat..

    It's like going to the movies. Ticket prices may rise to
    obscene levels, but overpriced refreshments have always made
    more money for theater owners. Professional athletes here
    are paid huge salaries, so owners and their concessionaires
    make money however they can. I enjoy baseball, and I attend
    a few games each year, but I'm content to watch it on
    television and be bombarded by bad beer ads, truck and car
    ads, and ridiculous promos for the sports channel.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why do people eat at McD's?

    A variety of factors. Ask Derk. He looks like he eats
    there a few times


    per week.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you can't afford to eat in decent surroundings you
    clearly can't afford to 'eat out'

    I don't consider grabbing a burger "eating out." Most of
    my friends who


    eat at

    Quoted message said:

    fast food places do it as a matter of convenience, not as
    a luxury. They


    take

    Quoted message said:

    their wives or girlfriends out to other restaurants.

    'Convenience food' - covers a multitude of sins.

    I agree to an extent, but I don't judge others on what they
    eat (just how much, sometimes).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    <...>

    Quoted message said:

    >>Fast food chains do not alert their customers to the
    >>hazardously high calorie and fat content of the food
    >>they offer.
    >
    >WTF do you call the nutrition charts on the walls of
    >their restaurants?

    People
    >don't read labels at the store, either, despite
    >mandatory labeling to


    help

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >consumers make wiser, more nutritious choices.

    Correct, people over here do not read the contents or
    nutritional info,


    but

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    they do read the 'sell by date'. Illustrates what idiots
    they are.

    I agree. Ultimately, we're individually responsible for
    the choices we


    make. I

    Quoted message said:

    oppose requirin businesses to present a calorie count on
    each bag or for


    each

    Quoted message said:

    customer. That information is already available to
    consumers. It doesn't


    stop

    Quoted message said:

    them from pigging out.

    Quoted message said:

    I have consumed frozen food 2 years out of date and
    canned food 15 years old,

    I'm

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    still here.

    You buy the expiries at Tesco?

    Caught me, and don't forget the damaged cans.

    LOL

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >>They deserve some of the blame for the epidemic of
    >>obesity,
    >
    >I disagree. Fast food nutritional information is widely
    >available.

    Consumers are

    >ultimately responsible for their decisions.

    They are, but who decides on what they base their
    decisions - The Mass


    Media

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Advertising on TV.

    No, you're wrong. Advertising doesn't force or coerce
    others to do things.


    It

    Quoted message said:

    *does* attempt to appeal to consumer desires, but fat
    people shouldn't be sitting in front of TVs anyway. They
    should be working out, walking,


    burning up

    Quoted message said:

    some of their excess girth. Turn it off, tune out the
    adverts, or even


    read the

    Quoted message said:

    nutritional information before ordering. It's still an
    individual decision


    and

    Quoted message said:

    responsibility.

    You trying to say that advertising on TV does not get the
    message home?

    It doesn't turn people into zombies. Some people are zombie-
    like, but advertising isn't effective enough to force people
    to do or buy things.

    Quoted message said:

    It does you know, although few will admit to the fact.

    I know advertising is effective, but it doesn't alter people
    or bring down their barriers. Teetotalers can watch beer ads
    all day, even be amused by some of them, and remain
    teetotalers. People who don't eat hamburgers can similarly
    watch fast food ads and remain unaffected. The effect on
    advertising is usually on people who haven't many formed
    values (both children and adults -- witness your own
    tendency to fall for appeals from IFAW and other fund-
    raising groups) or who are already susceptible to the
    message of the ad.

    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Such places are for kids lacking parential guidance.

    I think it's appropriate to take children to fast food
    places on special occasions. I don't think a child's diet
    should be based on chicken


    nuggets,

    Quoted message said:

    fries, and soft drinks. Most kids get a bit more variation
    than that.

    Alright, sling in a bar of chocolate. You have a child?, I
    thought you were single.

    I've no children yet. I am, however, close to my nieces and
    nephews, some of whom are now young adults. They all eat
    normal foods as a rule. They also go to fast food places
    when they get good grades in school or when they otherwise
    deserve a treat.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A good meal should be enjoyed in an equally good
    atmosphere. What's


    happened

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to pride and taste these days.

    I ask myself that very question quite often when reading
    some of your


    racist

    Quoted message said:

    posts in these newsgroups.

    I send them *because* I have pride and taste.

    Self-justification seldom convinces others.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Not a sign of my age, I've always subscribe to such
    etiquette.

    Funny that your "etiquette" includes calling people from
    other races a


    litany of

    Quoted message said:

    foul and despicable names. At least you keep up your
    appearances in propah restaurants.

    Yes, and my favourite restaurant is owned by an Indian. I
    now the owner and his family. If he's around when we call
    he always sends me a free bottle of 'Cobra' Indian beer.
    That's what I call a 'real gent', and indeed a real drink.

    I call a spade - a spade. I'm only saying what many people
    think. The other day I was listening to a radio programme
    on censorship. The word that troubles the BBC most is not
    F---, not C--- but N-----.

    That's because it's very offensive to many people, Ray.

    Quoted message said:

    How H.T.F. am I supposed buy a tin of [censored] Brown
    shoe polish?

    Is that brand even sold any longer?

  13. "Ray" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    [...[censored]]

    [censored], Ray.

  14. Ray said:

    "Dieter" <d.Schmidt@deutsche_telekom.de> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    usual suspect said:

    Ray wrote: <...>

    >>> Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.
    >>
    >> So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.
    >
    > I'll not comment on Derek,

    You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian
    at all.

    To the best of my knowlege (which is extensive) he's a
    vegan.

    [So, to put the record straight; ......

    wont even drink a glass of milk. What a [censored].] David
    Nash Tue, 25 May 2004 tinyurl.com33nuo

    Quoted message said:

    You ignorant

    Them there couple of soft sods ken nowt.

  15. cuckolded Derk said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ><...>
    >
    >>>>Americans are getting fatter and fatter every year.
    >>>
    >>>So is Derk Nash. So are many other Britons.
    >>
    >> I'll not comment on Derek,
    >
    >You should. He's a lard ass. I doubt he's vegetarian
    >at all.

    To the best of my knowlege (which is extensive) he's
    a vegan.

    [So, to put the record straight; ......

    Quoted message said:

    wont even drink a glass of milk. What a [censored].]
    David Nash Tue, 25 May 2004 tinyurl.com33nuo

    contains anchovies.

  16. I find the idea of obesity lawsuits absolutly
    ridiculous...why should fast food companies be blamed for
    what people choose to put in their mouths--that is up to the
    individual...besides, every fast food place i know also
    sells salads...why don't people try those every now and
    then...i get so frustrated with the american population
    trying sue everyone and place the blame of their own
    problems on everyone except for themselves....

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