You crash from both ends !

Last night the Unfit Family were out & about (tho' not on the bikes). Driving
along, saw similar cyclist - all black clothing, single cr*ppy, dirty
all-but-useless LED at rear. He was *just* sillhouetted by the street light.
Twit. A few seconds later, saw the opposite. Woman cycling - lights front &
rear, wearing a reflective jacket - she was very visible from a long distance
away. Funnily enough, she seemed to be given a far wider berth by traffic than
the cyclist in stealth mode.

I know that drivers can be idiots at times, but when we're cycling we do have
at least some degree of responsibility for our own safety when we are out
there. It's not exactly difficult to remember to use lights & reflectives.

Cheers, helen s

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Response to Sniper8052(L96A1):

Quoted message said:

On duty last night I met a cyclist dressed in black with only a rear
flashing LED, not a good one at that and it wasn't turned on.

A bloody fool, then, who unfortunately paid the price.

Quoted message said:

He's OK a few scratches

Strangely the bike shop had sold him a cycle helmet which was hanging
from its straps on his rucksack. Sigh........

I refer the hon. gentleman to my earlier answer:

"Wouldn't you have been better off wearing this?"
"Why? I didn't hit my head."
"Well, you might have done."
"Yes, but I didn't, and if I'd been wearing it I might have, which could
have been a Very Bad Thing."
"All the same..." etc. etc.

So in other words in this accident the helmet wouldn't have done him any
good, and might have done him some harm.

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Mark, UK.
We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

Thirty five minutes later I attended an RTA - cyclist versus motor
vehicle, guess who decided to ride home. He's OK a few scratches, his
new £600 bike is a mangled piece of metal and I can't really blame the
car driver because the cyclist had no light at the front to warn of his
approach. Some people never learn.

He must have been chuffed to realise it was you dealing with the
incident.

Quoted message said:

Strangely the bike shop had sold him a cycle helmet which was hanging
from its straps on his rucksack. Sigh........

Best place for it.

Shame he hadn't spent that £100 on some lights instead.

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:03:35 GMT someone who may be
"Sniper8052(L96A1)" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Thirty five minutes later I attended an RTA - cyclist versus motor
vehicle, guess who decided to ride home.

I do wish people would drop inappropriate terminology. From what you
said there was nothing accidental about the absence of a light on
the front of the bike.

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[email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers)typed

Quoted message said:

It's not exactly difficult to remember to use lights & reflectives.

<pedant>
The reflectives I have plastered over my (now David's) bikes don't need
to be remembered[1]. Once applied they can be forgotten.

David can't really forget his lights cos his dynamo is bolted in place.

[1] I suppose someone needs to wipe them clean occasionally.

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Edgware.

Mark McN said:

Response to Sniper8052(L96A1):

Quoted message said:

On duty last night I met a cyclist dressed in black with only a rear
flashing LED, not a good one at that and it wasn't turned on.

A bloody fool, then, who unfortunately paid the price.

Sounds like London to me. Loads of stealth cyclists who are busy hoping for
the best. After 'seeing' a few of them I upgraded my lights front and back,
and got a reflective vest. Didn't really want to give anyone the excuse
that they couldn't see me.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He's OK a few scratches

Strangely the bike shop had sold him a cycle helmet which was hanging
from its straps on his rucksack. Sigh........

I refer the hon. gentleman to my earlier answer:

"Wouldn't you have been better off wearing this?"
"Why? I didn't hit my head."
"Well, you might have done."
"Yes, but I didn't, and if I'd been wearing it I might have, which could
have been a Very Bad Thing."
"All the same..." etc. etc.

So in other words in this accident the helmet wouldn't have done him any
good, and might have done him some harm.

But the money spent on the unused lid could have been spent on something
that would have *prevented* the accident, rather than failing to ameliorate
the damage caused by the accident?

--
Chris

Response to Monkey Hanger:

Quoted message said:

Sounds like London to me. Loads of stealth cyclists who are busy hoping for
the best.

And by no means just London. I was out on the trike last night
[delivering a letter re a certain matter to my G.P., but that's another
story], and saw a Ninja cyclist who'd collected the set: black clothes,
black bike, no lights, on the pavement next to a perfectly good road
containing nothing but me. He must have been safe, though, because he
was wearing a black h... h... h... no... must... resist...

--
Mark, UK.
We hope to hear him swear, we love to hear him squeak,
We like to see him biting fingers in his horny beak.

Monkey Hanger <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

But the money spent on the unused lid could have been spent on something
that would have *prevented* the accident, rather than failing to ameliorate
the damage caused by the accident?

I don't think brain transplants come at any price...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

Strangely the bike shop had sold him a cycle helmet which was hanging
from its straps on his rucksack. Sigh.......

Quite. Safety? Plastic hat, sir, that's the be-all and end all. No
further action necessary. Ride on!

--
Guy

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers)typed

Quoted message said:

It's not exactly difficult to remember to use lights & reflectives.

<pedant>
The reflectives I have plastered over my (now David's) bikes don't need
to be remembered[1]. Once applied they can be forgotten.

David can't really forget his lights cos his dynamo is bolted in place.

[1] I suppose someone needs to wipe them clean occasionally.

<pedant> of course reflectives on self, such as a waistcoat/gilet with
reflective bands round body & over shoulders does involve remembering to put it
on. Not that it's a hugely difficult task to remember to do. </pedant>

Cheers, helen s ;-)

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Not Responding said:

Sniper8052(L96A1) said:

Thirty five minutes later I attended an RTA - cyclist versus motor
vehicle, guess who decided to ride home. He's OK a few scratches, his
new £600 bike is a mangled piece of metal and I can't really blame the
car driver because the cyclist had no light at the front to warn of his
approach. Some people never learn.

He must have been chuffed to realise it was you dealing with the
incident.

Quoted message said:

Strangely the bike shop had sold him a cycle helmet which was hanging

Quoted message said:

from its straps on his rucksack. Sigh........

Best place for it.

Quoted message said:

Shame he hadn't spent that £100 on some lights instead.

£100?! My latest helmet cost £35.

(My lights on the front of Birdy cost £170 - SON + E6 cost
£170, and those on the front of my Galaxy £230, and that
excludes the cost of having a wheel built).

Simon

Simon Proven said:

£100?! My latest helmet cost £35.

<cheapskate mode>

My Giro Mira was £15. But I only wear it when compelled to (velodrome),
so I wasn't going to waste too much money. It's probably safer than an
Atmos anyway.

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
Funnily enough, she

Quoted message said:

seemed to be given a far wider berth by traffic than the cyclist in
stealth mode.

I have noticed now that I am cycling home in the dark, fully chavved[1] up I
might add, that I get a far wider berth that when it was daylight at home
time.

2 Rear lights, reflector, reflective navvy jacket, reflectives on mudguard,
pedals, shoes, pannier, cranks, headband, gloves

David Hansen said:

On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:03:35 GMT someone who may be
"Sniper8052(L96A1)" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

Thirty five minutes later I attended an RTA - cyclist versus motor
vehicle, guess who decided to ride home.

I do wish people would drop inappropriate terminology. From what you
said there was nothing accidental about the absence of a light on
the front of the bike.

Nearly all crashes could be avoided, through not drinking or by getting more
sleep or by slowing down or by using lights etc, etc so they are not
accidents at all.

MSeries said:

dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers wrote:
Funnily enough, she

Quoted message said:

seemed to be given a far wider berth by traffic than the cyclist in
stealth mode.

I have noticed now that I am cycling home in the dark, fully chavved[1] up I
might add, that I get a far wider berth that when it was daylight at home
time.

I observe the same, which is one reason I like cycling at night.

--chris

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Monkey Hanger <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

But the money spent on the unused lid could have been spent on something
that would have *prevented* the accident, rather than failing to ameliorate
the damage caused by the accident?

Quoted message said:

I don't think brain transplants come at any price...

There could be a thriving black market. We wouldn't hear about it
because it's illegal and the customers aren't complaining.
--
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IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
[http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

[email hidden] (dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers)typed

Quoted message said:

<pedant> of course reflectives on self, such as a waistcoat/gilet with
reflective bands round body & over shoulders does involve remembering
to put it
on. Not that it's a hugely difficult task to remember to do. </pedant>

Our Tchibo jackets have reflectives, other garments do not. Pity David
doesn't like the 'Halo' neoprene/Scotchlite ankle bands that I thought
were the best reflective kit to wear.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Sniper8052(L96A1) wrote:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

Funny I saw the exact opposite in Hyde Park, this chap had enough lights
at the front to be a fairground, flashers, and continuous beams in
various positions, even on his head.

.... The oncoming vehicle swerved across the road and hit him head on.
The first thing the driver said on getting out of his vehicle was,
"Sorry mate, I didn't see you. I was dazzled..."

Mark McN <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Response to Monkey Hanger:

Quoted message said:

Sounds like London to me. Loads of stealth cyclists who are busy hoping for
the best.

And by no means just London. I was out on the trike last night
[delivering a letter re a certain matter to my G.P., but that's another
story], and saw a Ninja cyclist who'd collected the set: black clothes,
black bike, no lights, on the pavement next to a perfectly good road
containing nothing but me. He must have been safe, though, because he
was wearing a black h... h... h... no... must... resist...

My favourite was the bike rider with a case of 24 beer balanced on his
handle bars, wearing black, no lights or reflectors and riding on the
wrong side of the street. Luckily I noticed the glow of his cigarette
in time to dodge him. Maybe someone's smoking is good for 'my' health
🙂

John Kane
Kingston ON Canada