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  1. Late last February I signed-on with another employment/placement
    agency. They sent me out to this warehouse located in the Forgotten
    Wastelands (east Richmond, BC -- @ No. 8 Road and where Blundell
    Road would be. Hbc Logistics, to be precise.)

    When I signed on, during the interview the matter of my un-driver-ness
    came up. My employer asked me how I expected to get there; I suggested
    cycling. She expressed serious doubts as to the viability of that
    approach, and insisted I hook up with another employee to get a
    car-pooling ride part of the way, with me taking public transit to get
    to the meeting point with the guy who drives. So, fool that I am, I
    heeded her Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt, and it's been costing me between
    $22.50 and $32.50 per week in carfare and gasoline stipends. When
    talking to other folks about the feasability of riding to work, I've
    been getting the same pessimism.

    Yesterday, my ride found another job, apparently leaving me high & dry
    transportation-wise. So today, just for laffs and a change of scenery,
    I rode to the job site. Y'know what? No sweat! Piece o' cake. In
    fact, the ride was a little boringingly unchallenging. The first third
    is just bombing down Vancouver's South Hill, to the brief ugliness of
    crossing the Knight Street bridge. The other two thirds are on flat,
    quiet roads (Jacombs Road going to the destination, and No. 6 Road
    coming back) and the shared pathway that used to be the Westminster
    Highway. After looking at the map I determined it's a mere 8-miler,
    one way -- from Main & 41st in Vancouver to No. 8 Road & Blundell
    in Ditchmond. Actually, the ride was fairly pleasant, and punctuated
    with sightings of wild mallards and wring-neck pheasants, and short,
    little April sprinkles of precipitation that didn't get me wet but
    refreshingly cooled me off a little.

    Don't listen to non-riders' opinions about the do-ability of riding
    to places. But I allow much of their concern is because the ride
    into work would be at night. It seems a lot of folks don't believe
    cycling can be safely done at night.

    Anyways, it feels good to be transportationally independent again,
    and I'm looking forward to my ride to work tomorrow night. I'm
    good-naturedly trying not to rue the time & money I've wasted
    because I let people convince me that I have to get to work by
    car. Whadda momentary lapse of reason on my part. But I'm prone
    to those :-)

    In the meantime, I'm gonna get some fresh AA cells for my blinkie
    and my Planet Bike Beamer-3. And maybe a reflective vest. The
    generator lights are still functioning well, as per usual.

    The ride home in the morning after work is likely going to be
    the tough part. Especially the crawl back up the South Hill
    after a shift of hand-bombing heavy freight. But the job site
    has a Coke machine in the lunch room, so I can snag a can of
    Coke on the way out. And maybe a Coffee Crisp.

    I don't have to worry 'bout suits 'n ties & sweatin', so I
    can ride to work in my work clothes :-p

    And good riddance to crowded buses and SkyTrain, and freezing
    my ass off, standing around at the 22nd St. Station while
    waiting for my ride into work.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    -- Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  2. On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:53:03 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom
    Keats) wrote, in part:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyways, it feels good to be transportationally independent again,
    and I'm looking forward to my ride to work tomorrow night. I'm
    good-naturedly trying not to rue the time & money I've wasted
    because I let people convince me that I have to get to work by
    car. Whadda momentary lapse of reason on my part. But I'm prone
    to those :-)

    YEEEE! HAAAWWW!
    Having to wait is what kills public transit for me.

    Myself, being a driver, I might have been more sensitive than you to
    my co-workers driving habits and have possibly refused riding with
    them long ago.
    --
    zk

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Zoot Katz said:

    On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:53:03 -0700, [email hidden] (Tom
    Keats) wrote, in part:

    Quoted message said:

    Anyways, it feels good to be transportationally independent again,
    and I'm looking forward to my ride to work tomorrow night. I'm
    good-naturedly trying not to rue the time & money I've wasted
    because I let people convince me that I have to get to work by
    car. Whadda momentary lapse of reason on my part. But I'm prone
    to those :-)

    YEEEE! HAAAWWW!
    Having to wait is what kills public transit for me.

    It was /so/ wrong for me to listen to the advice of non-riders.
    Having to wait for public transit, and then having to wait for
    a car-pool driver becomes extra tedious. But the claustrophobia
    of crammed buses is really what gets me.

    Quoted message said:

    Myself, being a driver, I might have been more sensitive than you to
    my co-workers driving habits and have possibly refused riding with
    them long ago.

    At one point we didn't make it into work, because my driver
    got pulled over for having an expired insurance sticker on
    his license plate (it had just expired the day before; since
    ICBC does the automatic bank thing, he assumed they'd notify
    him when repayment was due. He got towed, and I went home.)

    In all honesty, I didn't mind getting the night off.
    But he is a good driver - I've gotta give him that.

    It always felt kind of stoopid going all the way out to
    New Westminster just to double back into Richmond.
    Paying carfare to do that just rubbed salt into the wound.

    The bike ride to work takes about 3/4s the time of my
    old bus/SkyTrain/car ride regime. Maybe on the ride home
    I can take advantage of that Ikea $1 breakfast (if that's
    still happening.)

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    -- Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  4. In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Keats

    Quoted message said:

    The ride home in the morning after work is likely going to be
    the tough part. Especially the crawl back up the South Hill
    after a shift of hand-bombing heavy freight. But the job site
    has a Coke machine in the lunch room, so I can snag a can of
    Coke on the way out. And maybe a Coffee Crisp.

    Avoid fuelling up on junk. I work shifts also, and know the
    difficulties of ordering up a meal at odd hours. Best that you develop
    the habit of packing what food, it makes a real difference in how well
    you feel post commute. Preparing multiple days' worth of snacks and
    lunches cuts down on preparation time. Is a fridge available at the
    warehouse?

    Luke

  5. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Luke said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Tom Keats

    Quoted message said:

    The ride home in the morning after work is likely going to be
    the tough part. Especially the crawl back up the South Hill
    after a shift of hand-bombing heavy freight. But the job site
    has a Coke machine in the lunch room, so I can snag a can of
    Coke on the way out. And maybe a Coffee Crisp.

    Avoid fuelling up on junk.

    A can of Coke works for me, when I'm depleted from a hard
    day's/night's work and I've just got to make it home afterwards.
    A couple of donuts can help, too.

    Quoted message said:

    I work shifts also, and know the
    difficulties of ordering up a meal at odd hours. Best that you develop
    the habit of packing what food, it makes a real difference in how well
    you feel post commute.

    I eat before work, and after work, but not during work. Eating during
    a shift just makes me logy. Staying a little hungry during work
    keeps me spry.

    Quoted message said:

    Preparing multiple days' worth of snacks and
    lunches cuts down on preparation time. Is a fridge available at the
    warehouse?

    Yes, there are fridges. But I don't need 'em.

    I guess my eating/fueling habits might seem unorthodox, but so
    is my physicality. At 53 y.o. and 5'11", I weigh 155 lbs with
    my steel-toed boots on. No probs w/ hypertension or cholesterol
    or diabetes. I'm savvy enough about balancing my diet, getting
    my proper nutrients, and talented enough to make them taste good.
    I can afford to consume a little "junk" now & then. Sometimes
    a can o' Coke is just the ticket.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    -- Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  6. Congrat's.
    Tell me, if your potential employer insisted you not wear a helmet,
    would you agree?

  7. Congratultions,
    I'm curious if your potential employer had asked you not to wear a
    helmet would you agree?

  8. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Congrat's.
    Tell me, if your potential employer insisted you not wear a helmet,
    would you agree?

    Sure, as long as they pay the fine if I get busted for
    riding without wearing a helmet.

    cheers,
    Tom

    --
    -- Nothing is safe from me.
    Above address is just a spam midden.
    I'm really at: tkeats [curlicue] vcn [point] bc [point] ca

  9. Quoted message said:

    Congratultions,
    I'm curious if your potential employer had asked you not to wear a
    helmet would you agree?

    PROVOCATEUR!

  10. "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Congrat's.
    Tell me, if your potential employer insisted you not wear a helmet,
    would you agree?

    Sure, as long as they pay the fine if I get busted for
    riding without wearing a helmet.

    Tom Keats is law breaker. That is because he is a dumb working class slob on
    the docks of Vancouver (Canada). Laws are for others, not for him. He is
    nothing but a criminal. I wish I were in Vancouver so I could report him to
    the police. I good long stay in prison would cure him of his infantile "I am
    above the law" working class fantasies.

    Why is he posting to BC? I thought that group had died and gone to hell long
    ago. Or is Tom Keats the despicable DiscoDuck (DD) who monopolizes BC and is
    the most notorious scofflaw ever to come along in the entire history of
    Usenet. He breaks the laws with nary a concern and even encourages others to
    break the laws. My contempt for such types is boundless!

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  11. Edward Dolan said:

    "Tom Keats" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Congrat's.
    Tell me, if your potential employer insisted you not wear a helmet,
    would you agree?

    Sure, as long as they pay the fine if I get busted for
    riding without wearing a helmet.

    Tom Keats is law breaker. That is because he is a dumb working class slob on
    the docks of Vancouver (Canada). Laws are for others, not for him. He is
    nothing but a criminal. I wish I were in Vancouver so I could report him to
    the police.

    You can. It's easy to find the Vancouver police using google. But the
    police here don't care about that law (most of them, anyway).
    As a matter of fact yesterday, I saw three police officers helpfully
    offering directions to a bare headed cyclist. Thankfully they
    recognized they weren't hurting anybody.

    Quoted message said:

    I good long stay in prison would cure him of his infantile "I am
    above the law" working class fantasies.


    No, it wouldn't. Because I AM ABOVE THAT LAW.
    Just like the police are above many laws (recent rash of beatings of
    civilians, speeding, parking illegally).
    Just like our politicians are above many laws.

    Quoted message said:

    Why is he posting to BC? I thought that group had died and gone to hell long
    ago. Or is Tom Keats the despicable DiscoDuck (DD) who monopolizes BC and is
    the most notorious scofflaw ever to come along in the entire history of
    Usenet. He breaks the laws with nary a concern and even encourages others to
    break the laws. My contempt for such types is boundless!


    As is my contempt for you.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the fruitcake- Minnesota

  12. Quoted message said:

    Tom Keats is law breaker. That is because he is a dumb working class slob on
    the docks of Vancouver (Canada). Laws are for others, not for him. He is
    nothing but a criminal. I wish I were in Vancouver so I could report him to
    the police.

    You can. It's easy to find the Vancouver police using google. But the

    police here don't care about that law (most of them, anyway).
    As a matter of fact yesterday, I saw three police officers helpfully
    offering directions to a bare headed cyclist. Thankfully they
    recognized they weren't hurting anybody.

    Quoted message said:

    I good long stay in prison would cure him of his infantile "I am
    above the law" working class fantasies.

    No, it wouldn't. Because I AM ABOVE THAT LAW.
    Just like the police are above many laws (recent rash of beatings of
    civilians, speeding, parking illegally).
    Just like our politicians are above many laws.

    Quoted message said:

    Why is he posting to BC? I thought that group had died and gone to hell long
    ago. Or is Tom Keats the despicable DiscoDuck (DD) who monopolizes BC and is
    the most notorious scofflaw ever to come along in the entire history of
    Usenet. He breaks the laws with nary a concern and even encourages others to
    break the laws. My contempt for such types is boundless!

    As is my contempt for you. Hunt me down, edward. Lets see who is
    stronger.

    Quoted message said:

    Ed Dolan the fruitcake - Minnesota

  13. "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Tom Keats is law breaker. That is because he is a dumb working class slob
    on
    the docks of Vancouver (Canada). Laws are for others, not for him. He is
    nothing but a criminal. I wish I were in Vancouver so I could report him
    to
    the police.

    You can. It's easy to find the Vancouver police using google. But the
    police here don't care about that law (most of them, anyway).
    As a matter of fact yesterday, I saw three police officers helpfully
    offering directions to a bare headed cyclist. Thankfully they
    recognized they weren't hurting anybody.

    Quoted message said:

    I good long stay in prison would cure him of his infantile "I am
    above the law" working class fantasies.

    No, it wouldn't. Because I AM ABOVE THAT LAW.
    Just like the police are above many laws (recent rash of beatings of
    civilians, speeding, parking illegally).
    Just like our politicians are above many laws.

    Laws are there for a good reason or they aren't. If they aren't, then they
    ought to be repealed. To have laws on the books that are not being observed
    brings nothing but contempt for all law. If I were a policeman in Vancouver,
    I would take you into custody, after giving you a good clubbing of course.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Why is he posting to BC? I thought that group had died and gone to hell
    long
    ago. Or is Tom Keats the despicable DiscoDuck (DD) who monopolizes BC and
    is
    the most notorious scofflaw ever to come along in the entire history of
    Usenet. He breaks the laws with nary a concern and even encourages others
    to
    break the laws. My contempt for such types is boundless!

    As is my contempt for you. Hunt me down, edward. Lets see who is
    stronger.

    It must be nice to have your own little cycling newsgroup there in BC where
    you can pontificate like the jackass that you are. You should get together
    with Tom Keats, also of Vancouver. He is another nut like you and the two of
    you could make beautiful music together.

    By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old Victoria
    either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole like
    British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the police
    there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded criminal.

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  14. Edward Dolan said:

    Laws are there for a good reason or they aren't. If they aren't, then they
    ought to be repealed.

    Law are seldom (if ever) repealed. But yes, the helmet one should be.

    Quoted message said:

    To have laws on the books that are not being observed
    brings nothing but contempt for all law.

    Wrong again. The things stopping me from murder, rape and theft is NOT
    the fact it is illegal. It's the fact my conscious prohibits doing
    such acts.

    But again you're correct. Such laws do bring down the credibility of
    the law, its enforcement and the politicians that pass them.

    Quoted message said:

    If I were a policeman in Vancouver,
    I would take you into custody, after giving you a good clubbing of course.

    No you wouldn't, You're too chicken. Clubbing is against the law.

    Quoted message said:

    It must be nice to have your own little cycling newsgroup there in BC where
    you can pontificate like the jackass that you are. You should get together
    with Tom Keats, also of Vancouver. He is another nut like you and the two of
    you could make beautiful music together.

    You are the one that states all laws must be obeyed and you're calling
    US nuts?

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old Victoria
    either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole like
    British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the police
    there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded criminal.

    IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the police
    have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets there
    manditory?

    Quoted message said:


    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Goof- Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  15. "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan wrote:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old Victoria
    either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole
    like
    British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the police
    there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded criminal.

    IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the police
    have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets there
    manditory?

    How the hell would I know? But If I were cycling anywhere I would make damn
    sure I was obeying whatever laws were in force and I would not be blabbing
    all over Usenet like an idiot how it is OK not to obey some laws. You are
    nothing but a scofflaw, not fit to live in a civilized society.

    If you don't want to be called names, then get to be a law-abiding citizen.
    Leave the law-breaking to the hoodlums and the other human scum that infest
    every large city in North America.

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  16. Edward Dolan said:

    "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan wrote:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old Victoria
    either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole
    like
    British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the police
    there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded criminal.

    IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the police
    have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets there
    manditory?

    How the hell would I know? But If I were cycling anywhere I would make damn
    sure I was obeying whatever laws were in force and I would not be blabbing
    all over Usenet like an idiot how it is OK not to obey some laws.

    Well it is OK so too bad. I'm going to go out and break that same law
    again just to [censored] you off, right now.

    Quoted message said:

    You are
    nothing but a scofflaw, not fit to live in a civilized society.

    Making someone wear a helmet when they don't want to, is not civilized.

    Quoted message said:

    If you don't want to be called names, then get to be a law-abiding citizen.
    Leave the law-breaking to the hoodlums and the other human scum that infest
    every large city in North America.

    Sorry, let me finish weeping. (sniff sniff). There. You were saying,
    Fruitcake?

    Regards,

    Quoted message said:


    Ed Dolan the nutbar- Minnesota

    Quoted message said:

    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  17. "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan said:

    "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan wrote:


    [...]

    Quoted message said:

    > By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old
    > Victoria
    > either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole
    > like
    > British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the
    > police
    > there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded
    > criminal.

    IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the police
    have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets there
    manditory?

    How the hell would I know? But If I were cycling anywhere I would make
    damn
    sure I was obeying whatever laws were in force and I would not be
    blabbing
    all over Usenet like an idiot how it is OK not to obey some laws.

    Well it is OK so too bad. I'm going to go out and break that same law
    again just to [censored] you off, right now.

    You are going to get knocked off of your bike by a motor vehicle and land on
    your stupid head - and it will serve you right!

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are
    nothing but a scofflaw, not fit to live in a civilized society.

    Making someone wear a helmet when they don't want to, is not civilized.

    If you do not like the law, then work to get it changed. It is evil to break
    the law, but it is an even greater evil to advocate that others do so. You
    are not an ordinary scum bag, but a truly evil scum bag.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you don't want to be called names, then get to be a law-abiding
    citizen.
    Leave the law-breaking to the hoodlums and the other human scum that
    infest
    every large city in North America.

    Sorry, let me finish weeping. (sniff sniff). There. You were saying,
    Fruitcake?

    I am saying that you are human scum yourself. Learn to read between the
    lines why don't you?

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  18. Edward Dolan said:

    "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan said:

    "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > Edward Dolan wrote:
    [...]
    >> By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old
    >> Victoria
    >> either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest hole
    >> like
    >> British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the
    >> police
    >> there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded
    >> criminal.
    >
    > IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    > I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the police
    > have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets there
    > manditory?

    How the hell would I know? But If I were cycling anywhere I would make
    damn
    sure I was obeying whatever laws were in force and I would not be
    blabbing
    all over Usenet like an idiot how it is OK not to obey some laws.

    Well it is OK so too bad. I'm going to go out and break that same law
    again just to [censored] you off, right now.

    You are going to get knocked off of your bike by a motor vehicle and land on
    your stupid head - and it will serve you right!

    You've been say that for ages and it STILL hasn't happenned. And you
    know what? Ain't gonna happen.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    You are
    nothing but a scofflaw, not fit to live in a civilized society.

    Making someone wear a helmet when they don't want to, is not civilized.

    If you do not like the law, then work to get it changed.

    No. Too much work and I don't feel like engaging people such as
    yourself who have no sense about them.
    Besides it's easier for me to simply ride the bike helmetless. And
    MOST police leave me alone (although I avoid them when I can as I
    cannot tell the difference between those who are trying to good by
    stopping criminals, and those who simply like exercising thier
    authority.

    Quoted message said:

    It is evil to break
    the law, but it is an even greater evil to advocate that others do so. You
    are not an ordinary scum bag, but a truly evil scum bag.

    See that is the problem with you safety zealots-you see someone who
    wants the choice for themselves, the same as Ted Bundy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    If you don't want to be called names, then get to be a law-abiding
    citizen.
    Leave the law-breaking to the hoodlums and the other human scum that
    infest
    every large city in North America.

    Sorry, let me finish weeping. (sniff sniff). There. You were saying,
    Fruitcake?

    I am saying that you are human scum yourself. Learn to read between the
    lines why don't you?

    I wonder what you look like? You must be one of those control hungry
    cops.

    Quoted message said:

    Regards,


    Ed Dolan the dufus - Minnesota

  19. "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan said:

    "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Edward Dolan wrote:
    > "DiscoDuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    > news:[email hidden]...
    > >
    > > Edward Dolan wrote:
    > [...]
    > >> By the way, I wouldn't be caught dead in Vancouver or soggy old
    > >> Victoria
    > >> either. You have got to have water on the brain to live in a pest
    > >> hole
    > >> like
    > >> British Columbia. Why the hell don't you move to Seattle where the
    > >> police
    > >> there would teach you some respect for the laws, you confounded
    > >> criminal.
    > >
    > > IT really hurts my feelings when you call me names.
    > > I spend lots of time bareheaded time in Seattle and so far the
    > > police
    > > have elected not to teach me anything. Why, are bicycle helmets
    > > there
    > > manditory?
    >
    > How the hell would I know? But If I were cycling anywhere I would make
    > damn
    > sure I was obeying whatever laws were in force and I would not be
    > blabbing
    > all over Usenet like an idiot how it is OK not to obey some laws.

    Well it is OK so too bad. I'm going to go out and break that same law
    again just to [censored] you off, right now.

    You are going to get knocked off of your bike by a motor vehicle and land
    on
    your stupid head - and it will serve you right!

    You've been say that for ages and it STILL hasn't happenned. And you
    know what? Ain't gonna happen.

    It only needs to happen once and you are toast.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > You are
    > nothing but a scofflaw, not fit to live in a civilized society.

    Making someone wear a helmet when they don't want to, is not civilized.

    If you do not like the law, then work to get it changed.

    No. Too much work and I don't feel like engaging people such as
    yourself who have no sense about them.
    Besides it's easier for me to simply ride the bike helmetless. And
    MOST police leave me alone (although I avoid them when I can as I
    cannot tell the difference between those who are trying to good by
    stopping criminals, and those who simply like exercising thier
    authority.

    Just don't be advocating that others also break the law. That is just too
    despicable for words.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It is evil to break
    the law, but it is an even greater evil to advocate that others do so.
    You
    are not an ordinary scum bag, but a truly evil scum bag.

    See that is the problem with you safety zealots-you see someone who
    wants the choice for themselves, the same as Ted Bundy.

    No one has the right to choose what laws they are going to observe and what
    laws they are not going to observe. That way lies anarchy.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > If you don't want to be called names, then get to be a law-abiding
    > citizen.
    > Leave the law-breaking to the hoodlums and the other human scum that
    > infest
    > every large city in North America.

    Sorry, let me finish weeping. (sniff sniff). There. You were saying,
    Fruitcake?

    I am saying that you are human scum yourself. Learn to read between the
    lines why don't you?

    I wonder what you look like? You must be one of those control hungry
    cops.

    The cops are the only force (the thin blue line) that stand between us being
    ruled by criminal gangs and being ruled by our elected representatives. I
    prefer to live in a republic rather than under a despotic tyranny.

    Regards,

    Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
    aka
    Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

  20. Edward Dolan said:
    Quoted message said:

    You've been say that for ages and it STILL hasn't happenned. And you
    know what? Ain't gonna happen.

    It only needs to happen once and you are toast.


    But you said it WOULD happen, and it won't. The chances are literally
    MILLIONS to one.

    Quoted message said:

    Just don't be advocating that others also break the law. That is just too
    despicable for words.

    Never have encouraged anyone to break the law. I encourage them to
    CHOOSE for themselves.

    By the way, if it wasn't for some law breakers, we'd still have some
    awful laws in place. So WE NEED LAW BREAKERS.
    For instance, Rosie Parks. What a woman!

    Quoted message said:

    No one has the right to choose what laws they are going to observe and what
    laws they are not going to observe. That way lies anarchy.

    I DO have the right and DO Choose what laws to obey. try and stop me,
    Eddy.

    Quoted message said:

    The cops are the only force (the thin blue line) that stand between us being
    ruled by criminal gangs and being ruled by our elected representatives. I
    prefer to live in a republic rather than under a despotic tyranny.

    Then go find one to live in, as the republic you dream of, is going
    going going, gone!

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