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  1. http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm?reutersid=4840

    Efficacy of blood pressure drug questioned
    advertisement

    Nov 08 (Reuters) - A leading drug used by millions of people to lower
    blood pressure does not prevent deaths from heart attacks or other
    cardiovascular problems as well as other treatments, researchers said
    on Friday.

    Atenolol, which is sold under the brand name Tenormin by drugs giant
    AstraZeneca, was first introduced in 1976. It is one of the most
    widely prescribed drugs of its kind.

    But Swedish scientists have questioned its benefits after reviewing
    the results of nine previous studies of the drug.

    "Our results cast doubt on atenolol as a suitable drug for
    hypertensive patients," Professor Lars Hjalmar Lindholm, of Umea
    University in Sweden, said in a report in The Lancet medical journal.

    Atenolol belongs to a class of drugs known as beta blockers, which are
    prescribed for high blood pressure, angina and to prevent repeat heart
    attacks. The drugs help relieve stress on the heart and slow its beat.

    Lindholm and his team examined the results of four studies that
    compared atenolol with a placebo, or dummy pill, and five that
    contrasted its effects with other blood pressure-lowering drugs.

    The research showed the drug was no better than a placebo in reducing
    deaths from heart attacks or heart disease. But in one study the drug
    reduced stroke more than in patients who were not receiving any
    treatment.

    "The main finding was that atenolol could not be shown to have the
    same preventive effects on cardiovascular disease as other common
    anti-hypertension drugs," Dr Bo Carlberg, who worked on the study,
    said in an interview.

    "Compared with the placebo, atenolol did not decrease all-cause
    mortality. It did not decrease cardiovascular mortality and did not
    decrease myocardial infraction (heart attack)," he added.

    The scientists said they were surprised there were so few studies that
    looked at atenolol on its own, rather than in combination with other
    drugs. They themselves examined the impact of atenolol only and did
    not look at other beta blockers.

    "Atenolol should not be a first-line drug for hypertension," said
    Carlberg, adding that it should also not be used as a comparative drug
    in studies to test the effects of new blood pressure-lowering drugs.

    Publish Date: November 08, 2004

    **************

    How many people have spent their hard earned cash to treat their
    conditons with a drug that was completely useless. And what side
    effects have the suffered from this useless drug.

    AstraZeneca should be shut down and heads should roll at the FDA.

    TC

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    Useless drugs are cheaper in Canada so they are more prevalent there.

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    Useless drugs are cheaper in Canada so they are more prevalent there.

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    Useless drugs are cheaper in Canada so they are more prevalent there.

    [censored] off troll

    You are in Scimednutrition Troll. Understand Troll, [censored] nutrition Troll.
    Unless you are suggesting that pills are low carb or high carb Troll, stop
    putting useless [censored].

    Look, if you feel it is off topic or has no merit, shut the [censored] up
    and ignore it. No one else is objecting to my posting this kind of
    information.

    It has to do with the larger topic of science and medicine, and one of
    the reasonable alternatives to these useless drugs is just plain good
    nutrition.

    Hint: if you nead someone to explain things to you on an ongoing
    basis, then you don't belong here, it is way above your ability to
    function intellectually.

    You wanting to connect everything everyones posts to some idiotic,
    unrelated and nonsensical anti-canada rants *IS* off topic and has no
    merit and it is the worst of all possible trollish behaviors. Take
    your hate rants elsewhere. It is not appropriate in this ng. If you
    look around usenet I am sure that you can find an ng that caters to
    hate-filled and ignorant bigots. Post there all you want.

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    TC

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    [censored] off troll

    You are in Scimednutrition Troll. Understand Troll, [censored] nutrition


    Troll.

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    Unless you are suggesting that pills are low carb or high carb Troll,


    stop

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    putting useless [censored].

    Look, if you feel it is off topic or has no merit, shut the [censored] up
    and ignore it. No one else is objecting to my posting this kind of
    information.

    It has to do with the larger topic of science and medicine, and one of
    the reasonable alternatives to these useless drugs is just plain good
    nutrition.

    Hint: if you nead someone to explain things to you on an ongoing
    basis, then you don't belong here, it is way above your ability to
    function intellectually.

    You wanting to connect everything everyones posts to some idiotic,
    unrelated and nonsensical anti-canada rants *IS* off topic and has no
    merit and it is the worst of all possible trollish behaviors. Take
    your hate rants elsewhere. It is not appropriate in this ng. If you
    look around usenet I am sure that you can find an ng that caters to
    hate-filled and ignorant bigots. Post there all you want.

    Now, [censored] off, ya troll.

    TC

    Sci.med Pharmacy Troll go there and stay there.

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    there.

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    > [censored] off troll

    You are in Scimednutrition Troll. Understand Troll, [censored] nutrition


    Troll.

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    Unless you are suggesting that pills are low carb or high carb Troll,


    stop

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    putting useless [censored].

    Look, if you feel it is off topic or has no merit, shut the [censored] up
    and ignore it. No one else is objecting to my posting this kind of
    information.

    It has to do with the larger topic of science and medicine, and one of
    the reasonable alternatives to these useless drugs is just plain good
    nutrition.

    Hint: if you nead someone to explain things to you on an ongoing
    basis, then you don't belong here, it is way above your ability to
    function intellectually.

    You wanting to connect everything everyones posts to some idiotic,
    unrelated and nonsensical anti-canada rants *IS* off topic and has no
    merit and it is the worst of all possible trollish behaviors. Take
    your hate rants elsewhere. It is not appropriate in this ng. If you
    look around usenet I am sure that you can find an ng that caters to
    hate-filled and ignorant bigots. Post there all you want.

    Now, [censored] off, ya troll.

    TC

    Sci.med Pharmacy Troll go there and stay there.

    Don't go away angry, just go away.... ya troll....

    TC

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    http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm?reutersid=4840

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    there.

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    > You are in Scimednutrition Troll. Understand Troll, [censored]


    nutrition

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    Troll.

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    > Unless you are suggesting that pills are low carb or high carb


    Troll,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    stop

    Quoted message said:

    > putting useless [censored].

    Look, if you feel it is off topic or has no merit, shut the [censored] up
    and ignore it. No one else is objecting to my posting this kind of
    information.

    It has to do with the larger topic of science and medicine, and one of
    the reasonable alternatives to these useless drugs is just plain good
    nutrition.

    Hint: if you nead someone to explain things to you on an ongoing
    basis, then you don't belong here, it is way above your ability to
    function intellectually.

    You wanting to connect everything everyones posts to some idiotic,
    unrelated and nonsensical anti-canada rants *IS* off topic and has no
    merit and it is the worst of all possible trollish behaviors. Take
    your hate rants elsewhere. It is not appropriate in this ng. If you
    look around usenet I am sure that you can find an ng that caters to
    hate-filled and ignorant bigots. Post there all you want.

    Now, [censored] off, ya troll.

    TC

    Sci.med Pharmacy Troll go there and stay there.

    Don't go away angry, just go away.... ya troll....

    TC


    Look above at your post and see how many people respond, just one person and
    that is me you troll.
    Everybody knows that you are a troll so they don't even respond to you.
    Knock it off and stop that useless [censored].

  9. On 8 Nov 2004 08:01:11 -0800, [email hidden] (tcomeau) posted:

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    http://www.heartcenteronline.com/myheartdr/home/research-detail.cfm?reutersid=4840

    Efficacy of blood pressure drug questioned
    advertisement

    Nov 08 (Reuters) - A leading drug used by millions of people to lower
    blood pressure does not prevent deaths from heart attacks or other
    cardiovascular problems as well as other treatments, researchers said
    on Friday.

    Atenolol, which is sold under the brand name Tenormin by drugs giant
    AstraZeneca, was first introduced in 1976. It is one of the most
    widely prescribed drugs of its kind.

    But Swedish scientists have questioned its benefits after reviewing
    the results of nine previous studies of the drug.

    "Our results cast doubt on atenolol as a suitable drug for
    hypertensive patients," Professor Lars Hjalmar Lindholm, of Umea
    University in Sweden, said in a report in The Lancet medical journal.

    Atenolol belongs to a class of drugs known as beta blockers, which are
    prescribed for high blood pressure, angina and to prevent repeat heart
    attacks. The drugs help relieve stress on the heart and slow its beat.

    Lindholm and his team examined the results of four studies that
    compared atenolol with a placebo, or dummy pill, and five that
    contrasted its effects with other blood pressure-lowering drugs.

    The research showed the drug was no better than a placebo in reducing
    deaths from heart attacks or heart disease. But in one study the drug
    reduced stroke more than in patients who were not receiving any
    treatment.

    "The main finding was that atenolol could not be shown to have the
    same preventive effects on cardiovascular disease as other common
    anti-hypertension drugs," Dr Bo Carlberg, who worked on the study,
    said in an interview.

    "Compared with the placebo, atenolol did not decrease all-cause
    mortality. It did not decrease cardiovascular mortality and did not
    decrease myocardial infraction (heart attack)," he added.

    The scientists said they were surprised there were so few studies that
    looked at atenolol on its own, rather than in combination with other
    drugs. They themselves examined the impact of atenolol only and did
    not look at other beta blockers.

    "Atenolol should not be a first-line drug for hypertension," said
    Carlberg, adding that it should also not be used as a comparative drug
    in studies to test the effects of new blood pressure-lowering drugs.

    Publish Date: November 08, 2004

    **************

    How many people have spent their hard earned cash to treat their
    conditons with a drug that was completely useless.

    A little premature for this conclusion?

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    And what side
    effects have the suffered from this useless drug.

    Atenolol has relatively few side effects compared to other beta
    blockers, and the jury is not even impounded yet, to decide on its
    usefulness.

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    AstraZeneca should be shut down and heads should roll at the FDA.

    Note that this study looked at a beta blocker on its own.

    How many people take it on its own?

    This researcher said "Atenolol should not be a first-line drug for
    hypertension,"

    Atenolol is just one of several derivatives of propranolol which has
    more side effects with most people.

    You really should wait until the peers comment on this study before
    rushing to slam this company. Remeber what they say about fools
    jumping in?

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