XTR M960: Beyond diminishing returns

"News Subsystem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just
from the sheer power of his pedalling, he has had to spend over 7 times the amount of money buying
his bike than i have buying mine cause he needs something really strong

Which five crank sets has your friend snapped? (brand/model) What makes you think that XTR won't
also snap? Why on earth would you think that getting the lightest crank would be the same as getting
the strongest crank? It doesn't work like that. XTR cranks will snap under stress. Being XTRa
Xpensive doesn't allow them to violate the laws of physics and material engineering.

cranks out there. They're about 1/3 the price of XTR, and very, very tough. Have a look at the FSA
X-Drive or the AC 454 DH cranks. I'd be shocked if he could even bend them, much less break them. He
might also be a prime candidate for the new - and breathtakingly expensive - Shimano Saint DH/FR
components. This may be the only high-end racing-oriented highly-specialized component group in
history that sells *because* it is heavy. Saint seems ready-made for the big mashers and big-air
crazies that snap cranks and axles, and ruin rear derailleurs against boulders. It's *very*
expensive; but at least it's solving a problem that actually exists, and saving a trip to the
hospital with gaping wounds from a razor-sharp crank stub gashing open your calf. Gotta say, if it
keeps you out of the hospital once, it's worth the whole price of admission.

Rocketman

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Rocketman said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp
Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

HA HA HA HA! Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they?

The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop

$2k+

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on the new XTR line. Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean anything

to

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them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is trying to see how much they can

get

Quoted message said:

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the logo [censored] to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not jewelry, but it's priced like gold.

The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several

companies

Quoted message said:

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offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic

Motorcycle;

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but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano has been borrowing 1993
Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB, outboard bearings,
hollow crankarms). The only thing marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a
rehash of Dura

Ace.

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Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in price. Last season, I bought
the new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53

from

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JensonUSA. Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs for $146!! LX cranks that
sold for $59 are now $83. M753 XT cranks were

$119.

Quoted message said:

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The new XT cranks are $249!! That, folks, is a HUGE increase. Your next bike will cost a *lot*
more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano sources are drying up quickly. If you're
thinking of stocking up, do it

very

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soon.

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Rocketman

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Quoted message said:

what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just
from the sheer power of his pedalling, he

XTR is the lightweight race stuff. LX or XT are better for big guys. But really if he snaps parts
like that, get some RaceFace or Truvativ freeride or downhill cranks.

BTW: It's obviously not from "the sheer power of his pedalling", but rather some combination of poor
riding skills, aggressive drops and his weight. I speak with some experiance. I'm an x football
player and the more I ride the less I break parts.

As you learn to glide over the trail rather than beat it to submission, not only do the parts last
but you go way faster.

I used to bend a lot of wheels, break chains, helmets, seatposts, cassettes, chainrings,... but I
rarely break stuff anymore. I even crash softer, well usually, I sprained my neck a couple months
ago by not paying attention on a new trail.

Big guy parts: freeride cranks (splined) custom frame (Ti Seven Sola works for me!) Marzoochi fork
(only big guy fork) rims (32 spoke triple cross or DH specific ) 9 speed Chains and cassettes
might last a summer if this is too much $$ switch to 8 speed, 8 speeds last me at least 2 years.
Thompson Elite seatpost Thompson Elite stem Chris King headset (it's worth the money) Easton's
cheapest AL handlebar

When you buy the cheaper parts from the big name manufacturers you usually get the heavy duty parts.
(not including frames and forks)

The most expensive parts are usually the lightest weight, xc race stuff for the 140 lb rider.

Ogre

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better yet get him to buy some Race Face NORTH SHORE cranks... guaranteed for the life of the
original owner.

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"News Subsystem" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just
from the sheer power of his pedalling, he has had to spend over 7 times the amount of money
buying his bike than i have buying mine cause he needs something really strong

Which five crank sets has your friend snapped? (brand/model) What makes

you

Quoted message said:

think that XTR won't also snap? Why on earth would you think that getting the lightest crank would
be the same as getting the strongest crank? It doesn't work like that. XTR cranks will snap under
stress. Being XTRa Xpensive doesn't allow them to violate the laws of physics and material
engineering.

Quoted message said:

cranks out there. They're about 1/3 the price of XTR, and very, very

tough.

Quoted message said:

Have a look at the FSA X-Drive or the AC 454 DH cranks. I'd be shocked if

he

Quoted message said:

could even bend them, much less break them. He might also be a prime candidate for the new - and
breathtakingly expensive - Shimano Saint DH/FR components. This may be the only high-end
racing-oriented highly-specialized component group in history that sells *because* it is heavy.
Saint seems ready-made for the big mashers and big-air crazies

that

Quoted message said:

snap cranks and axles, and ruin rear derailleurs against boulders. It's *very* expensive; but at
least it's solving a problem that actually

exists,

Quoted message said:

and saving a trip to the hospital with gaping wounds from a razor-sharp crank stub gashing open
your calf. Gotta say, if it keeps you out of the hospital once, it's worth the whole price of
admission.

Rocketman

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Rocketman said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp
Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

HA HA HA HA! Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they?

The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop

$2k+

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

on the new XTR line. Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean

anything

Quoted message said:

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is trying to see how much they

can

Quoted message said:

get

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the logo [censored] to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not jewelry,

but

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it's priced like gold.

The new XTR is partially based on 11-year-old technology. Several

companies

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

offered similar crank and BB designs in 1992, most notably Magic

Motorcycle;

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

but also Bullseye, Sweet Wings and Syncros a few years later. Shimano

has

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

been borrowing 1993 Magic Motorcycle crank technology for a while now (square-splined BB,
outboard bearings, hollow crankarms). The only

thing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

marginally new are the M960 shifters, and they're just a rehash of Dura

Ace.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in

price.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Last season, I bought the new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53

from

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

JensonUSA. Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

$146!! LX cranks that sold for $59 are now $83. M753 XT cranks were

$119.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The new XT cranks are $249!! That, folks, is a HUGE increase. Your

next

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

bike will cost a *lot* more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano sources are drying up
quickly. If you're thinking of stocking up, do it

very

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

soon.

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Rocketman

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News Subsystem said:

SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just from the sheer power of his pedalling

lets try and cut out the lies, eh?

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He might also be a prime candidate for the new - and breathtakingly expensive
- Shimano Saint DH/FR components.

hmm, they're a fair bit cheaper than XTR. and 'breathtakingly' expensive is not a term I'd apply to
them. £140 GBP is not a lot to pay for the reputedly mad-strong cranks and BB.

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A friend of mine, whom weighs a bit less than myself, broke components constantly, but usually from
doing big drops. Simply put, if you're going to ride like that, expect breakage. Sounds like a
candidate for the 8" suspension club. Me, I'm mostly cross country on a hardtail ('93 C'dale Delta
V600) and the only parts I've broken were due to wear and the odd stick pulling the rear der into
the spokes. Thousands of miles without much breakage to report, while trying to keep up with my full
suspension friends.

Troy Rappe said:

Quoted message said:

what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just
from the sheer power of his pedalling, he

XTR is the lightweight race stuff. LX or XT are better for big guys. But really if he snaps parts
like that, get some RaceFace or Truvativ freeride or downhill cranks.

BTW: It's obviously not from "the sheer power of his pedalling", but rather some combination of
poor riding skills, aggressive drops and his weight. I speak with some experiance. I'm an x
football player and the more I ride the less I break parts.

As you learn to glide over the trail rather than beat it to submission, not only do the parts last
but you go way faster.

I used to bend a lot of wheels, break chains, helmets, seatposts, cassettes, chainrings,... but I
rarely break stuff anymore. I even crash softer, well usually, I sprained my neck a couple months
ago by not paying attention on a new trail.

Big guy parts: freeride cranks (splined) custom frame (Ti Seven Sola works for me!) Marzoochi fork
(only big guy fork) rims (32 spoke triple cross or DH specific ) 9 speed Chains and cassettes
might last a summer if this is too much $$ switch to 8 speed, 8 speeds last me at least 2 years.
Thompson Elite seatpost Thompson Elite stem Chris King headset (it's worth the money) Easton's
cheapest AL handlebar

When you buy the cheaper parts from the big name manufacturers you usually get the heavy duty
parts. (not including frames and forks)

The most expensive parts are usually the lightest weight, xc race stuff for the 140 lb rider.

Ogre

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp
Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Rocketman

alllllready did... and haven't looked back.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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what about large people who want something strong? SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just
from the sheer power of his pedalling, he has had to spend over 7 times the amount of money buying
his bike than i have buying mine cause he needs something really strong

Then you're gong to love those shifters with many parts in them that are better suited to a Swiss
watch and that wonderful hard as cardboard cassette that folds it's cogs at the first bad shift
caused by the wonderful shifters. There's a reason Shimano came out with the Saint line at the same
time as the new XTR, they knew the new XTR couldn't cut
it.

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Quoted message said:

News Subsystem said:

SOmeone I know has snapped 5 crank sets just from the sheer power of his

pedalling

Quoted message said:

lets try and cut out the lies, eh?

Small Black Dog

Yeah, tell 'em to stop being such a [censored], eh SBD?

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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better yet get him to buy some Race Face NORTH SHORE cranks... guaranteed for the life of the
original owner.

So about two hours if they fail badly enough? <G,D&R>

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<Price list snipped>

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The weight weenies with more money than sense are gonna line up to drop $2k+ on the new XTR line.
Does the phrase "diminishing returns" mean anything to them? I'm betting it doesn't. Shimano is
trying to see how much they can get the logo [censored] to pay for ugly, trendy bike parts. It's not
jewelry, but it's priced like gold.

<loong rant about expensive parts snipped>

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Rocketman

--

You're forgetting the basic rule of appropriate gear spending: The perfect amount to spend is
EXACTLY what you did.

Anybody who spends less is being penny wise and pound foolish, isn't "serious" about the sport, or
isn't a good enough rider (or skier, paddler, whatever) to be able to tell the difference.

Anyone who spends more is a yuppie poseur with more money than brains who's never heard of
diminishing returns.

It's like drving. Anybody going faster than you is crazy. Anyone slower is an idiot. You're the only
one who's perfect.

-Andrew

"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450 XTR M960 Brifters: $275 XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123 XTR M960 9sp
Cassette: $142 XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

HA HA HA HA! Nobody is gonna buy this stuff, are they?

Meanwhile, all of Shimano's other component lines are going up in price. Last season, I bought the
new DuraAce mid-cage rear derailleur for $53

from

Quoted message said:

JensonUSA. Right now, JensonUSA lists DuraAce 7800 rear derailleurs for $146!! LX cranks that sold
for $59 are now $83. M753 XT cranks were

$119.

Quoted message said:

The new XT cranks are $249!! That, folks, is a HUGE increase. Your next bike will cost a *lot*
more than your last bike did. Low-priced Shimano sources are drying up quickly. If you're thinking
of stocking up, do it

very

Quoted message said:

soon.

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Uh, this is mostly due to the US Federal Reserve Bank policy. They have allowed the US dollar to
drop significantly against world markets over the past year.

Everything you import is more expensive now. Just like everthing we Canadians import from the US
is cheaper!

Cheers, paul

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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"Rocketman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:R%Myb.274457$275.970846@attbi_s53...

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Cranks: $450

Got mine for just over $300

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Brifters: $275

Went with XT here....$63, as well as the hydro levers, $58. No way in hell I was going to go for the
combo XTR for $377.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Derailleur: $123

Got it for $100

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 9sp Cassette: $142

XT again....$36. Have no desire to run Ti cogs.

Quoted message said:

XTR M960 Rear Disc Hub: $192

Had to go with the King.

<snip stuff>

Quoted message said:

Is Shimano begging us to switch to SRAM, or what?

Maybe. When it's time to replace mine, I will more than likely try it.

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