XTP(new) vs KH 2007

Ive never ridin the xtp, but my KH is awsum, feels great, its lite, and
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I think that weight only really matters if you are doing tricks. With
trials it won't matter if your uni is a few pounds heavier, most people
don't even notice.
So since the XTP is only really for trials then the fact that it is
slightly lighter shouldn't matter.

The XTP now has the light koxx cranks that I think yoggi said was
weaker so that probably isn't a good thing.

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I think you would only really use the xpt in competitions, or if you had
a limitless income. Kh is stronger.

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xtp is a better trials uni.. but if you want to ride trial, and for
example street, you`d have to go with the kh.

kh is more an allround uni, the xtp is only for trials riding,

and i think if youre a trials rider, and only ride trial, you should go
with the xtp. my friend just got his xtp, and its extremely nice, and
light..

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ive been riding 3 months and its time for a, *_real_* uni.

its payday on tuesday and i want ethier a KH 07 with 137mm street
cranks or an XPT with 140mm cranks.

now i dont actually get why the kh is more for street than trails? is
it just because it has a flat crown and slighty shorter cranks, for
more flow in your riding?

if i brought the XPT (which is only £320 in the sale by the way, £50
more than a KH!) i would still be able to go down stair sets, on rails
and everything like that which is what street is, right?

also what is the seat like on the XPT? it says its a luxury trails
saddle. has anyone got this?

i only use the flat crown to ride one footed at the moment so having a
flat crown doesnt really bother me and i mean, what other tricks do you
people use the crown for?

they both look amazing but obvousily the XPT has got that extra sparkle
to it.
i cant make my mind up just by reading the other comments about it so
some new input to me personally would be a great help!

thanks alot! 🙂

Jack

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henkka said:

seat post clamp

Whatttt?!?!?!?! Haha I have never heard of anyone having trouble with
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president_luke said:

or if you had a limitless income.

Really, us Unicyclist are cheap [censored].

Most bike trials riders, just their frame costs more than our whole
Unicycle does, anywhere from $400-$1500 and maybe more?

A Triton Sponge for the $450? Isn't that expensive really.

Anything over $550 for this community seems to be too much, but just
think a couple years back... wasn't the KH Pro model around $800?

Limitless income is quite the exaggeration 😉

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Borgschulze said:

Really, us Unicyclist are cheap [censored].

Most bike trials riders, just their frame costs more than our whole
Unicycle does, anywhere from $400-$1500 and maybe more?

A Triton Sponge for the $450? Isn't that expensive really.

Anything over $550 for this community seems to be too much, but just
think a couple years back... wasn't the KH Pro model around $800?

Limitless income is quite the exaggeration 😉

yeah some frames are alot more than that!

i really dont know which one to get 🙁 money isnt an issuse :o

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get a kh and a triton (you dont need a XTP when you have a Triton)

then ride both and sell the one you donw want or keep both if money
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why don't you just go custom if money isn't an issue?

pm me if you need help choosing parts and stuff.

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mornish said:

+1

The XTP has weaker cranks, a very weak round crown frame, and the frame
and rim are both made out of an inferior metal compared to KH.

let me re answer.

the XTP is pretty awesome.
really strong frame, and the frame is like a work of art.
hub and cranks are really strong, and have no q factor which I like.
the rim is probably a bit stronger than the kh one, although because
they are drilled there both aren't bombproof.
it comes with a pit fighter which is way stronger than the KH posts.

if price wasn't an issue I'd get the XTP for trials for sure.

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mornish said:

let me re answer.

the XTP is pretty awesome.
really strong frame, and the frame is like a work of art.
hub and cranks are really strong, and have no q factor which I like.
the rim is probably a bit stronger than the kh one, although because
they are drilled there both aren't bombproof.
it comes with a pit fighter which is way stronger than the KH posts.

if price wasn't an issue I'd get the XTP for trials for sure.

edit: or an xtp with triton frame

yeah it will have to be the xpt then, i should get it on the 25th if
they deliver in 3 days 😄 and it doesnt come with a pit fighter seat
post on unicycle.uk.com.

thanks for the replies 🙂

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Hey,

Because of my obvious bias, I'm not going to try to convince you one
way or another. However, just a couple of questions/opinions:

In my opinion, a lot of the "distinctions" between street and trials
unis are pretty artificial. How many top trials riders never want to
put their foot on the frame? How many tech street riders never land
hard off a big drop to flat, or never do a pure trials line? There
are very few riders who are that specialized. Plus, most riders tend
to switch around their styles over time, to keep things interesting.

Also, is there really a difference in strength requirements between
street and trials? In my opinion, rider weight, skill, and agression
level are way, way more important factors. Using strength or weight
to differentiate between a "street" or "trials" uni doesn't take any
account of this.

I'm all for equipment specialization when it makes sense. But you
have to differentiate between a real need for it, and specialty
unicycles dreamed up as marketing niches. Hence why the KH20 is
simply called a trials/street uni.

Kris

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danger_uni said:

Hey,

Because of my obvious bias, I'm not going to try to convince you one
way or another. However, just a couple of questions/opinions:

In my opinion, a lot of the "distinctions" between street and trials
unis are pretty artificial. How many top trials riders never want to
put their foot on the frame? How many tech street riders never land
hard off a big drop to flat, or never do a pure trials line? There
are very few riders who are that specialized.

Also, is there really a difference in strength requirements between
street and trials? In my opinion, rider weight and agression level
are way, way more important factors. Because saying that a "street"
or "trials" uni should be stronger or lighter takes no account of this,
it doesn't make sense to call a unicycle a street or trials uni based
on whether it is stronger or lighter.

I'm all for equipment specialization when it makes sense. But you
have to differentiate between a real need for it, and specialty
unicycles dreamed up as marketing niches that make no sense in reality.

Kris

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arg,
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Go custom.

For the amount of money you are going to sink into an XTP, you could
get a much nicer with prefered color scheme. To do this though, you
need knowledge of what goes together, what parts are compatible etc.
This is definitely not the newbie way. I would get a KH07 (or even 08
if it comes out in time), learn about stuff on this sight, and then go
all out.

If you want help in what you want on a custom uni, PM me.

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Yeah, I vote custom. I ride a custom uni now boy is it nice.

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I think a lot of wether or not you like a unicycle is how you think of
it.

Like, if you get yourself a custom unicycle that has a custom color
scheme, it might not actually perform much better than a stock one, but
because you think it does it can give you confidence and let you do
things you otherwise wouldn't have had the confidence to do.

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Well I know my uni doesn't preform better than a stock trials. Maybe a
little bit because it has 150's, but that really shouldn't make or
break a trials. The rim is a a little less being it the old kh rim, but
it is wide enough for me.

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What the heck is the "XTP"? All this talk about it and no specs or
pic..at least in this thread. I searched the archives and came up
zippo.🙁 Is it a Koxx 1 uni?

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