WVM again

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dave Larrington) said:

In news:[email hidden],
Roger Merriman <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine

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to tell us:

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i had some lady in a hot hatch try to overtake me before a
roundabout and turn left

Mrs. A. Spannerinagolf did that to me yesterday. She came perilously
close to getting a Carnac-shaped dent in her passenger door, but I
instead contented myself with an Evil Scowl as I passed her.

Yes, that's right, fifteen yards after exiting said roundabout, she
reached the queue for the traffic lights opposite Walthamstow dog
track :-(

It beggars belief sometimes, the way they roar past only to join some
queue. Perhaps they have excess fuel in need of burning.

Alex Potter said:

dkahn400 said:

Why not have the VED disc replaced by an MOT disc? Scrap mandatory 3rd
party insurance and have it replaced by a scheme that automatically
covered every car. If the car is illegal or being driven illegally the
scheme still pays out to the victim but then pursues the driver to
recover the costs. Fund all the costs of the scheme out of fuel duty.
The cost of motoring would fall for many people.

It may well be that the cost would fall for many people if such measures
were persued, but ISTM that such an effect would not be at all desirable.

The cost would fall for those with fuel-efficient cars and driving
styles and low mileages.

--
Dave...

(Terry) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Dave Larrington) said:

In news:[email hidden],
Roger Merriman <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine

Quoted message said:

to tell us:

Quoted message said:

i had some lady in a hot hatch try to overtake me before a
roundabout and turn left

Mrs. A. Spannerinagolf did that to me yesterday. She came perilously
close to getting a Carnac-shaped dent in her passenger door, but I
instead contented myself with an Evil Scowl as I passed her.

Yes, that's right, fifteen yards after exiting said roundabout, she
reached the queue for the traffic lights opposite Walthamstow dog
track :-(

It beggars belief sometimes, the way they roar past only to join some
queue. Perhaps they have excess fuel in need of burning.

Of course.

The vehicle will then use less fuel because it weighs less.

They're not as stupid as they appear to be.

dkahn400 said:

Alex Potter said:

dkahn400 said:

Why not have the VED disc replaced by an MOT disc? Scrap mandatory 3rd
party insurance and have it replaced by a scheme that automatically
covered every car. If the car is illegal or being driven illegally the
scheme still pays out to the victim but then pursues the driver to
recover the costs. Fund all the costs of the scheme out of fuel duty.
The cost of motoring would fall for many people.

It may well be that the cost would fall for many people if such measures
were persued, but ISTM that such an effect would not be at all desirable.

The cost would fall for those with fuel-efficient cars and driving
styles and low mileages.

Indeed, but I don't think that that is at all desirable. I'd rather see the
bloody things priced out of existence.

PS your sig's borked. 🙂

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Regards
Alex
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The Reply-To address is valid

On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 08:43:13 GMT, Alex Potter <[email hidden]>

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dkahn400 said:

Alex Potter said:

dkahn400 wrote:
> Why not have the VED disc replaced by an MOT disc? Scrap mandatory 3rd
> party insurance and have it replaced by a scheme that automatically
> covered every car. If the car is illegal or being driven illegally the
> scheme still pays out to the victim but then pursues the driver to
> recover the costs. Fund all the costs of the scheme out of fuel duty.
> The cost of motoring would fall for many people.

It may well be that the cost would fall for many people if such measures
were persued, but ISTM that such an effect would not be at all desirable.

The cost would fall for those with fuel-efficient cars and driving
styles and low mileages.

Indeed, but I don't think that that is at all desirable. I'd rather see the
bloody things priced out of existence.

But that is not going to happen, is it?

On the other hand some further regulatory changes that favour motorists that
pollute less may well be made.

dkahn400 said:

POHB said:

dkahn400 said:

Maybe people living remotely from good public transport
services and therefore needing to use more fuel should be able claim a
rebate on their fuel duty?

Why should folks who live remotely be subsidised for their travel
to civilization? Should those who live in the city get
subsidised if they fancy travelling to fresh air and open spaces?

They shouldn't. Ideally they should have good public transport
services. But in the event of society's failure to provide those a
rebate on fuel tax sound like reasonable compensation.

I'm rather suspecting the lack of good public transport is due to lack
of use, and more of an excuse than a real problem.

A

Dave Larrington said:

In news:[email hidden],
Roger Merriman <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
us:

Quoted message said:

i had some lady in a hot hatch try to overtake me before a roundabout
and turn left

Mrs. A. Spannerinagolf did that to me yesterday. She came perilously close
to getting a Carnac-shaped dent in her passenger door, but I instead
contented myself with an Evil Scowl as I passed her.

heh this lady didn't make it past, i can only assume she misread my
speed, so as I entered the roundabout she was about level, only then did
i realise she wanted to turn left.... hence her having to stop, bloody
twit.

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Yes, that's right, fifteen yards after exiting said roundabout, she reached
the queue for the traffic lights opposite Walthamstow dog track :-(

yes do seem to get a bit of that, though you get that in cars, i suspect
its to do with not thinking ahead.

roger

Just let me put my oar in on both sides of the debate.

I actually took a bus pass late last year and I have used it 2ce. I cycle the
5 miles into Doncaster along death alley (the A630) about 4 or 5 times a
week. A couple of times a week for my shopping and it is on the beginning of
several of my standard training runs. ( A good mental adjustment to the blind,
deaf and ijiot motorist)

So why is the bus so useless -- for me it resolves down to the fact the it
caters only for passengers without luggage. If I go into "town" ( in this case
"Doncaster"😉. then I shall be returning fully loaded. On my velo there is no
problem -- if I am a "big shop" I tow my trailer, if I am on a "look and see
shop" ii have my rear panniers on ( but that means I can do a more rugged
return home).

However if I return by bus there is simply nowhere that I can stow my bags and
what does the young mums do with her pram if there is already 1 on board!

When I travel by my velo I can carry more and my travel time is shorter. And I
don't have to share space with other wet / dry / grumpy / tired .......
people.

So sorry but public transport doesn't work. Each year I travel about 5000
miles + by velo, 1500 miles by car and a miniscule distance by bus ( -- about
15 miles in the last year!).

Buses / trams need a radical redesign to allow for space available in rush
hours and that space used for "baggage for the rest of the time. Too much
seating which is not a realistic use of the space available!

A minor rant from me

--
Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.
www.tapan.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk

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dkahn400 said:

POHB said:

On 5 Apr, 11:46, "dkahn400" <[email hidden]> wrote:

> Maybe people living remotely from good public transport
> services and therefore needing to use more fuel should be able claim a
> rebate on their fuel duty?
Why should folks who live remotely be subsidised for their travel
to civilization? Should those who live in the city get
subsidised if they fancy travelling to fresh air and open spaces?

They shouldn't. Ideally they should have good public transport
services. But in the event of society's failure to provide those a
rebate on fuel tax sound like reasonable compensation.

I'm rather suspecting the lack of good public transport is due to lack of
use, and more of an excuse than a real problem.

A

Pinky wrote on 06/04/2007 22:48 +0100:

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However if I return by bus there is simply nowhere that I can stow my
bags and what does the young mums do with her pram if there is already 1
on board!

For me there is simply nowhere I can stow my legs. The designers of bus
seating seem to forget the thigh bone is a fixed length and making the
seat spacing less than that for a substantial proportion of passengers
makes them unusable. I can only assume they think they are only
designing for children.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell

In article <[email hidden]>, Tony Raven
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Pinky wrote on 06/04/2007 22:48 +0100:

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However if I return by bus there is simply nowhere that I can stow my
bags and what does the young mums do with her pram if there is already 1
on board!

For me there is simply nowhere I can stow my legs. The designers of bus
seating seem to forget the thigh bone is a fixed length and making the
seat spacing less than that for a substantial proportion of passengers
makes them unusable. I can only assume they think they are only
designing for children.

You just have to sit diagonally and take up two seats. Even then it can
be a bit of a squeeze.

Brian Drury said:

Any suggestions?

Open window?
Water bottle, sticky drink. Squirt.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura Ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record Sprint mongrel

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On Apr 4, 10:32 pm, Brian Drury <brian@ibisdesignsdotukfsndotorg>
wrote:

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Any suggestions?

Brian

"Pity you didn't spend the money on an education"

MBQ

I like that response.

I trust that you're not the Welsh security guard 'man at B&Q' with the
dodgy tyres.

Dave said:

I don't think he does pay to use the road - that is called a Toll and whilst
there are a few in the UK most are not.

Interesting. Do I have less right to cycle over the Itchen Bridge by
virtue of not having to pay the toll that applies to motorised vehicles?