(Would be) thieves

Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote:
: On 31 Aug 2004 13:20:19 GMT, Arthur Clune <[email hidden]> wrote:

:> Also don't vist shopping centres.

: Don't know if you're familiar with the town, but the way Reading is laid
: out now, most of it *is* shopping centre. ):

Ok, I'll re-phrase that. Don't live in Reading 🙂

There's no easy way round this I'm afraid. Pannier are not easy to
carry. Things like Karrimors rucksack conversion kit are a PITA and
only let you carry one pannier.

Arthur

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David Martin <[email hidden]>typed

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On 31/8/04 2:35 pm, in article [email hidden],
"Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Chris Davies <[email hidden]>typed

I think you can get wire mesh rucksack covers which might do for
panniers. I've forgotten their name, sorry.

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www.pac-safe.com You can get them from millets, cotswolds Blacks etc.

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I can also recommend hooking panniers to either the inside or the
outside of supermarket trolleys which you then push, rather than drag...

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Nice and easy for loading as well.

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...d

Yup! Hook empty panniers to outside of trolley so you can *prove* they
are empty while selecting wares (also leaves more space inside trolley)

Load panniers at checkout and rehook to anywhere on trolley. Push
trolley to bike, load bike & park trolley. No carrying...

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

"Mark South" <[email hidden]>typed

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What do you do if you have to leave your panniers on the bike unattended?

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You never have to. Panniers are detachable.

Yebbut the hooks tend to scratch your legs and who *wants* to walk about
dragging 5kg of potatoes all the time?

My TTOTD is get a trolley (assuming you can park bike outside shop) and
hang panniers on outside of trolley. Then, you can pack with ease at
the checkout, wheel to bike, hook straight onto bike... very little
actual carrying of pannier required.

Of course, as I found out, this does also mean it's all too easy to end
up having to cart home Very Very heavy loads ;-)

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Mark South said:

You say nothing was taken. Could it have been the security people
from the
shopping centre who had a rummage?

I never thought of that. It's a possibility, but I know for a fact
that if they do anything to someone's bike (such as telling them not
to leave it there or report that someone tried to steal the bike) they
leave a note attached to the bike, so I doubt it.

Bags are useful, I am very fond of my courier bag, but they aren't
really a proposition for carrying a lot of weight, such as themy
shopping. So I will stick with my panniers.

<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/shopping.html>

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Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

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Yebbut the hooks tend to scratch your legs and who *wants* to walk about
dragging 5kg of potatoes all the time?

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Put the panniers, and the spuds, in a trolley. At the checkout, put the
spuds in the panniers in the trolley, and wheel it out to the bike,
ready to load.

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Pete.

I refer the honourable gentleman to my ealier posts...

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:52:49 +0100 someone who may be David Martin
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I've used a pac safe before. It is a lockable steel mesh, designed for
rucksacks.

There are also lightweight versions of motorbike boxes that can be
fitted to cycles. Lidl do them occasionally and they are available
from specialist suppliers as well (no idea of their names, that is
what search engines are for).

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Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Yup! Hook empty panniers to outside of trolley so you can *prove* they
: are empty while selecting wares (also leaves more space inside trolley)

When I use panniers (I sometimes use trailer + panniers at Sainsburys
if buying catfood etc) I put them inside the trolley as long as their
is room. Otherwise I hit people with them in my incompetence 🙁

I've never been asked what's in them or my courier bag when wandering
round.

Arthur

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"Helen Deborah Vecht" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Mark South" <[email hidden]>typed

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What do you do if you have to leave your panniers on the bike unattended?

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You never have to. Panniers are detachable.

Yebbut the hooks tend to scratch your legs and who *wants* to walk about
dragging 5kg of potatoes all the time?

Panniers in pairs can be clipped together, or carried with the hooks to the
inside.

Walk about dragging 5kg of potatoes all the time? Luxury. Now when *I* were a
lad....
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Mark South, Super Genius: World Citizen, Net Denizen

Arthur Clune said:

Helen Deborah Vecht <[email hidden]> wrote:

: Yup! Hook empty panniers to outside of trolley so you can *prove* they
: are empty while selecting wares (also leaves more space inside trolley)

When I use panniers (I sometimes use trailer + panniers at Sainsburys
if buying catfood etc) I put them inside the trolley as long as their
is room. Otherwise I hit people with them in my incompetence 🙁

I have actualljust wheeled the bike complete with panniers around Tesco's
before. It was late and virtually empty.

At the big all night Tesco the security guy wouldn't let me take the bike
in.

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"Mark South" <[email hidden]>typed

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Panniers in pairs can be clipped together, or carried with the hooks to the
inside.

When you clip panniers together, you have to carry the whole lot on one
side. This is horribly unbalanced.

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Walk about dragging 5kg of potatoes all the time? Luxury. Now when
*I* were a
lad....

Well, I meant 5kg potatoes, 1kg carrots, 2kg lentils, 1 kg oats, 1/4kg
butter, 1 kg sugar, 1kg apples, 1kg carrots, 1.5kg flour, 1.5 litres of
Persil, 500ml Flash, 1kg raisins, 1kg bananas....

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Velvet said:

Chris Davies said:

Hi

Rode into town yesterday, and got back to find my panniers had been
opened up and the contents sorted through I was only gone 10 minutes.
Nothing has been taken(suprised they didn't take the pump, it was a
Blackburn and cost a fair whack), but I'm more annoyed than anything.
It was parked up in front of a shopping centre in Reading too, really
crowded.
What do you do if you have to leave your panniers on the bike
unattended? It's such a drag carrying them round. Is there anything
else you can do? Was thinking of putting something unpleasant in the
bag, but don't want to. Is there such a thing as lockable pannier bags?
Bet they'd weigh something if there is.

Chris

I don't leave panniers, but frequently wish I could. Have a look in
outdoors shops for a pack-net. Wire net that goes over backpacks etc
and locks onto things. Might be adaptable to use with panniers, and
lock to the bike...

Do you mean you don't have them, or you wish you did? If you want a set
quote me, but your Audax will probably have braze-ons for a rack - look at
the seat stays to see if you have lugs. Even if it didn't you could have
one if you fit p-clips. I have a spare rack you could have if you sent the
price of its postage - would like to see it go to a good home. Email me if
you're interested.

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

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in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies

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Mark South said:

You say nothing was taken. Could it have been the security people
from the
shopping centre who had a rummage?

I never thought of that. It's a possibility, but I know for a fact
that if they do anything to someone's bike (such as telling them not
to leave it there or report that someone tried to steal the bike) they
leave a note attached to the bike, so I doubt it.

Bags are useful, I am very fond of my courier bag, but they aren't
really a proposition for carrying a lot of weight, such as themy
shopping. So I will stick with my panniers.

<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/shopping.html>

Looks like a nice toy. Is it dear?

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Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Load panniers at checkout and rehook to anywhere on trolley. Push
trolley to bike, load bike & park trolley. No carrying...

Unfortunately I have throwover panniers. Is it time to move into the world
of Rixen and Kaul?

I have looked at the pac-safe, too. 50 quid! Is there a cheaper
alternative?

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On 31/8/04 7:44 pm, in article [email hidden], "Chris

Davies said:

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

Load panniers at checkout and rehook to anywhere on trolley. Push
trolley to bike, load bike & park trolley. No carrying...

Unfortunately I have throwover panniers. Is it time to move into the world
of Rixen and Kaul?

I have looked at the pac-safe, too. 50 quid! Is there a cheaper
alternative?

http://www.fieldandtrek.com/ft1/category.asp?currency=GBP&manufacturer%5Fid=
149&cat%5Fid=RUCKACCE&mscssid=N2QXTAMGR7899K0QN0FJ5FAXHV605E4F

40 quid.

shop around..

It is a question of how much your luggage is worth.

...d

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Chris Davies <[email hidden]> wrote:
: On 31 Aug 2004 13:20:19 GMT, Arthur Clune <[email hidden]> wrote:

:> Also don't vist shopping centres.

: Don't know if you're familiar with the town, but the way Reading is laid
: out now, most of it *is* shopping centre. ):

Ok, I'll re-phrase that. Don't live in Reading 🙂

There's no easy way round this I'm afraid. Pannier are not easy to
carry. Things like Karrimors rucksack conversion kit are a PITA and
only let you carry one pannier.

I just run the risk when I have to.....

Ok yes there is a risk that someone will steal stuff from the panniers,
or even steal the panniers (though it'd take them a while to work out
how to get mine off - and they are such a scruffy pair of Super 'C'c...)
but the reality seems to be that on the whole they don't very often.
Even when left in the middle of busy cities like Leeds and London.
--
Chris French, Leeds

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies

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Hi

Rode into town yesterday, and got back to find my panniers had been
opened up and the contents sorted through I was only gone 10 minutes.
Nothing has been taken(suprised they didn't take the pump, it was a
Blackburn and cost a fair whack), but I'm more annoyed than anything.
It was parked up in front of a shopping centre in Reading too, really
crowded. What do you do if you have to leave your panniers on the
bike unattended? It's such a drag carrying them round. Is there
anything else you can do? Was thinking of putting something
unpleasant in the bag, but don't want to. Is there such a thing as
lockable pannier bags? Bet they'd weigh something if there is.

Label saying "Tarantulas in transit"?

I used to have a "Radioactive Material" sign on the back door to the garage.
I don't know if it deterred thieves but we were never broken into.
--
Mark

1x1 wheel, 3x2 wheels & 1x3 wheels.

in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

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in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:16:06 +0200, Mark South
<[email hidden]> wrote:
> You say nothing was taken. Could it have been the security people
> from the
> shopping centre who had a rummage?
>
I never thought of that. It's a possibility, but I know for a fact
that if they do anything to someone's bike (such as telling them not
to leave it there or report that someone tried to steal the bike)
they leave a note attached to the bike, so I doubt it.

Bags are useful, I am very fond of my courier bag, but they aren't
really a proposition for carrying a lot of weight, such as themy
shopping. So I will stick with my panniers.

<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/shopping.html>

Looks like a nice toy. Is it dear?

I bought mine in 1983; it lasted about fifteen years and then died of
unserviceable bearings. It did probably of the order of 20,000 miles in
its life, which isn't bad. I think it cost about £120 then. Current
prices are from £199 to £235 depending on options
<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/index.html>, but they've an
ex-display one in their sale for £159
<URL:http://www.bikesandtrailers.com/special/index.html>

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There are also lightweight versions of motorbike boxes that can be
fitted to cycles. Lidl do them occasionally and they are available
from specialist suppliers as well (no idea of their names, that is
what search engines are for).

I have a Lidl one I use on Gino. Cost less than a tenner - lockable - perfect
for storing the h*lm*t, lights etc., stuff in when I'm shopping and then
putting the shopping in for the return journey home. Plus it has hooks I can
attach bungee cords to if I need to carry anything extra, bungee'd to the lid
of it. The H*lf*rds equivalent costs a sniff under £30 last time I looked.

Cheers, helen s

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 20:05:03 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

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in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies

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On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:05:04 GMT, Simon Brooke <[email hidden]>

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in message <[email hidden]>, Chris Davies
([email hidden]'😉 wrote:

> On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 15:16:06 +0200, Mark South
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> You say nothing was taken. Could it have been the security people
>> from the
>> shopping centre who had a rummage?
>>
> I never thought of that. It's a possibility, but I know for a fact
> that if they do anything to someone's bike (such as telling them not
> to leave it there or report that someone tried to steal the bike)
> they leave a note attached to the bike, so I doubt it.
>
> Bags are useful, I am very fond of my courier bag, but they aren't
> really a proposition for carrying a lot of weight, such as themy
> shopping. So I will stick with my panniers.

<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/shopping.html>

Looks like a nice toy. Is it dear?

I bought mine in 1983; it lasted about fifteen years and then died of
unserviceable bearings. It did probably of the order of 20,000 miles in
its life, which isn't bad. I think it cost about £120 then. Current
prices are from £199 to £235 depending on options
<URL:http://www.bikehod.com/bike-hod/index.html>, but they've an
ex-display one in their sale for £159
<URL:http://www.bikesandtrailers.com/special/index.html>

Ouch! Is there a cheaper one? I have quite a nice wheelset that's doing
nothing at present, if there's a DIY option.

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the.Mark said:

I used to have a "Radioactive Material" sign on the back door to the garage.
I don't know if it deterred thieves but we were never broken into.

When I was at university, I decorated my first set of juggling clubs
with radiohazard tape. A juggling friend (who was a hospital physicist)
advised me that it was a really bad idea. He said that if I was
involved in a car crash and had to be cut out, and a member of the
emergency services spotted the radiohazard tape on my clubs, my rescue
would be delayed until they were equipped for handling radioactive
materials. Although it should be quite obvious that a juggling club is
not going to be radioactive, a trained professional would not take any
chances.

Initially I ignored the advice. A year or two later I got into the
habit of stopping in a particular corridor between the lab and my bike
to get a bottle of water out of my bag and have a drink. There was one
particular rack of empty shelves in this corridor that would have been
particularly convenient for putting my bag on, but I never used it,
because one of the shelves had radiohazard tape on it. I didn't for a
moment believe there was any danger, I just assumed that it had been
used at some point in the past for storing radio-tagged samples. But I
wasn't willing to take a chance.

So I removed the radiohazard tape from my juggling clubs.

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