Worst Day for Cycling ?

Keith said:

I started following the tour in 77/78 the day Pollentier got caught
pissing with a syringe...now this, Ullrich they guy I've rooted for
all these years with the rest of last year's top 4...WTF is next !

Um, the apologists for doping claiming that the "real" problems is that
they do testing and investigations in the first place.

Oh, and then more name calling by Kunich and others of people like me
who wish to see the sport be clean. That's what's next.

Wait, you mean in racing? Who knows. But it's unfortunately looking
like it's a majority of riders, not just a few.

Preston

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:09:39 -0500, Preston Crawford <[email hidden]>

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Keith said:

I started following the tour in 77/78 the day Pollentier got caught
pissing with a syringe...now this, Ullrich they guy I've rooted for
all these years with the rest of last year's top 4...WTF is next !

Um, the apologists for doping claiming that the "real" problems is that
they do testing and investigations in the first place.

Pack that strawman away. What is objectionable are tabloid driven, hysterical
witch hunting parties, using experimental tests, shady logic and a half-assed
"enforcement" that simply throws an occasional rider to the wolves rather than
attempt to clean up the entire peloton.

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Oh, and then more name calling by Kunich and others of people like me
who wish to see the sport be clean. That's what's next.

The problem isn't that you want the sport to be clean, it is that [censored] Pound is
an ineffectual grandstander and his biggest fans don't see that the recent
approach has been counter productive.

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Wait, you mean in racing? Who knows. But it's unfortunately looking
like it's a majority of riders, not just a few.

Of course it's a majority of the riders. That's what the current system permits.
That's was fair racing demands. There are very few GC riders with the metabolism
to do what they do without drugs, and even they need to do things like focus on
only riding one tour a year and the other races used entirely for preparation.

Doping enforcement as practiced is about moral posturing, not about keeping the
riders clean.

Unfortunately, the moralists (like yourself) seem to consider any objection to
be a defense of doping or an attack on enforcement. Develop a fair system that
has a chance of working and I'm with it. Otherwise the fairest thing is for
everyone who wishes to continue to dope.

Ron

"RonSonic" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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The problem isn't that you want the sport to be clean, it is that [censored]
Pound is
an ineffectual grandstander and his biggest fans don't see that the recent
approach has been counter productive.

[censored] Pound and WADA had nothing to do with this.

RonSonic <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Preston Crawford said:

Keith said:

I started following the tour in 77/78 the day Pollentier got caught
pissing with a syringe...now this, Ullrich they guy I've rooted for
all these years with the rest of last year's top 4...WTF is next !

Um, the apologists for doping claiming that the "real" problems is
that they do testing and investigations in the first place.

Pack that strawman away. What is objectionable are tabloid driven,
hysterical witch hunting parties, using experimental tests, shady
logic and a half-assed "enforcement" that simply throws an occasional
rider to the wolves rather than attempt to clean up the entire
peloton.

Some perfectly reliable tests are called 'unreliable' by those who have
been caught by such tests. Sometimes, they are able to shout this so loud
and can count on so much support that this call is repeated by many. Such a
choir does not make the original test unreliable, however.

the worst, and I feel liberated.... the lies are all over, and there
is nowhere to hide.. ,and the sport can have a new beginning.

ullrich looks the worst out of all this, as he lied to his team right
up to the end.

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:10:01 -0400, gf <[email hidden]> a écrit :

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the worst, and I feel liberated.... the lies are all over, and there
is nowhere to hide.. ,and the sport can have a new beginning.

Horseshit

gf wrote

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Quoted message said:

the worst, and I feel liberated.... the lies are all over, and there
is nowhere to hide.. ,and the sport can have a new beginning.

Davey Crockett said:

Horseshit

More like elephantshit.

PS what does whaleshit look like ?

gf said:

Quoted message said:

ullrich looks the worst out of all this, as he lied to his team right
up to the end.

Curtis L. Russell said:

Oh, were there some that only lied on occasion? I can see it now - the
rbr winter activity this year will be rating the relative liars.

Not to mention the virtual liars.

gf said:

ullrich looks the worst out of all this, as he lied to his team right
up to the end.

Oh, were there some that only lied on occasion? I can see it now - the
rbr winter activity this year will be rating the relative liars.
Christ, we'll be pulling in political thread drift 'til spring.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

Davey Crockett said:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:10:01 -0400, gf <[email hidden]> a écrit :

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the worst, and I feel liberated.... the lies are all over, and there
is nowhere to hide.. ,and the sport can have a new beginning.

Horseshit

Somehow I figured you to be the last one to see the rising sun and the
bluebirds singing.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:51:25 -0400, Curtis L. Russell
<[email hidden]> a écrit :

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Davey Crockett said:

On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 16:10:01 -0400, gf <[email hidden]> a écrit :

Quoted message said:

the worst, and I feel liberated.... the lies are all over, and there
is nowhere to hide.. ,and the sport can have a new beginning.

Horseshit

Somehow I figured you to be the last one to see the rising sun and the
bluebirds singing.

Like the man said, "The Opera ain't over 'till the Fat Lady sings"

And the Fat Lady isn't even in the Theatre yet.................