World's kilo result

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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For the most part, the kilo is one of the most boring events on the track.
However, every once in awhile, it does become very interesting.

Today's results had the top 12 riders going below 1:03.00. By adding to

the

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depth of the rider pool and foregoing the one rider/country standard of

the

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past, this is definitely one event which has benefited by qualifying via

the

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World Cup races.

I wish I'd been there to see this one.

Agreed, sounds as though the crowd was huge and definately into it. I was
hoping for Tournant to regain his crown, still a very impressive ride for
him especially after anchoring 3 Team Sprints yestarday.
Dave

"Carl Sundquist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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For the most part, the kilo is one of the most boring events on the track.
However, every once in awhile, it does become very interesting.

Today's results had the top 12 riders going below 1:03.00. By adding to the
depth of the rider pool and foregoing the one rider/country standard of the
past, this is definitely one event which has benefited by qualifying via the
World Cup races.

I wish I'd been there to see this one.

Carl--

Discounting Hoy's time, there was less than 1 second between 2nd and
12th--unreal, better hoped you pumped your tires enough...

I guess any time trial event would be "boring" to watch, particularly
since you don't see all the competitors side by side. You have to
really like the mechanics of the near-minute kilo to be truly amazed.
These guys start from a gate on a (large) fixed gear, quickly reach
nearly 40 mph, then hold on for a total time equivalent to five 12
second 200m TTs back to back! OK, I guess that's still not as exciting
as the NBA, but it's my favorite event (I guess that's why I do it!)

What's attractive to me is the kilo's simple deterministic nature. No
tactics, no BS. Just show up, click in, wait for the count, and prove
you da man. And if you win by .001 second (as Chris did at worlds two
years ago), be thankful for that extra 2 PSI you put in your tires!

And it should come as little surprise that - on a relative scale - I
find the pursuit to be the most boring event in track. Just like a
kilo, except slower and three (or four) times as long... but when it
comes down to it, it's easy to watch kilos and pursuits at Worlds,
because they are all (OK, almost all) so good!

[no "Joey d'"]Anton[no "i ", no "Carl Sund"]Quist

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I guess any time trial event would be "boring" to watch, particularly
since you don't see all the competitors side by side. You have to
really like the mechanics of the near-minute kilo to be truly amazed.
These guys start from a gate on a (large) fixed gear, quickly reach
nearly 40 mph, then hold on for a total time equivalent to five 12
second 200m TTs back to back! OK, I guess that's still not as exciting
as the NBA, but it's my favorite event (I guess that's why I do it!)

I appreciate any quality kilo even on a regional level, but to have a string
of sub 1:03 kilos like that is, AFAIK, unheard of.

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What's attractive to me is the kilo's simple deterministic nature. No
tactics, no BS. Just show up, click in, wait for the count, and prove
you da man. And if you win by .001 second (as Chris did at worlds two
years ago), be thankful for that extra 2 PSI you put in your tires!

And it should come as little surprise that - on a relative scale - I
find the pursuit to be the most boring event in track. Just like a
kilo, except slower and three (or four) times as long... but when it
comes down to it, it's easy to watch kilos and pursuits at Worlds,
because they are all (OK, almost all) so good!

I have often said that the pursuit is an extremely dull event. Even in a
large tournament like nationals or worlds, only about the top 6 or 8 rides
are interesting. On the whole, pursuiting is simply not a spectator
orient(at)ed event.

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Carl Sundquist said:

"Anton Quist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I guess any time trial event would be "boring" to watch, particularly
since you don't see all the competitors side by side. You have to
really like the mechanics of the near-minute kilo to be truly amazed.
These guys start from a gate on a (large) fixed gear, quickly reach
nearly 40 mph, then hold on for a total time equivalent to five 12
second 200m TTs back to back! OK, I guess that's still not as exciting
as the NBA, but it's my favorite event (I guess that's why I do it!)

I appreciate any quality kilo even on a regional level, but to have a string
of sub 1:03 kilos like that is, AFAIK, unheard of.

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What's attractive to me is the kilo's simple deterministic nature. No
tactics, no BS. Just show up, click in, wait for the count, and prove
you da man. And if you win by .001 second (as Chris did at worlds two
years ago), be thankful for that extra 2 PSI you put in your tires!

And it should come as little surprise that - on a relative scale - I
find the pursuit to be the most boring event in track. Just like a
kilo, except slower and three (or four) times as long... but when it
comes down to it, it's easy to watch kilos and pursuits at Worlds,
because they are all (OK, almost all) so good!

I have often said that the pursuit is an extremely dull event. Even in a
large tournament like nationals or worlds, only about the top 6 or 8 rides
are interesting. On the whole, pursuiting is simply not a spectator
orient(at)ed event.

Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

-Sonarrat.

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Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I think that pursuits should be mixed between sprinting events so the
crowd can watch and maybe appreciate a pursuit without completely stalling
the excitment of the track sprints.

in article opr8x4q4m27qylw0@crowley, Tom at [email hidden] wrote on
6/1/04 7:46 PM:

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Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I think that pursuits should be mixed between sprinting events so the
crowd can watch and maybe appreciate a pursuit without completely stalling
the excitment of the track sprints.

You are right - I'm showing my illiteracy in the track lingo here.
Actually, I have no idea what most of the events are, much less what their
rules are and what kind of athleticism it takes to do them well..

-Sonarrat.

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Tom [email hidden]
Date: 6/1/2004 10:46 PM Eastern

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That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I have no clue who you are, but talking track here is a pretty tough go. You
can trot out whatever opinion you want but until Carl, J-Me, Gladu, etc..
comment on it I'm not buying.
Bill C

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Sonarrat said:

in article opr8x4q4m27qylw0@crowley, Tom at [email hidden] wrote on
6/1/04 7:46 PM:

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Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I think that pursuits should be mixed between sprinting events so the
crowd can watch and maybe appreciate a pursuit without completely stalling
the excitment of the track sprints.

You are right - I'm showing my illiteracy in the track lingo here.
Actually, I have no idea what most of the events are, much less what their
rules are and what kind of athleticism it takes to do them well..

-Sonarrat.

If you get a chance, go up to the Hellyer velodrome - it's just up 101
from you. It looks like they run training races on Wednesday night now.
Regular racing starts this Friday. Here's the page for the track - it has
some good info on it about track racing, too.
<http://www.stanford.edu/~roadman/Bike_Racing/NCVA/>

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

in article [email hidden], Howard
Kveck at [email hidden] wrote on 6/1/04 9:45 PM:

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Sonarrat said:

in article opr8x4q4m27qylw0@crowley, Tom at [email hidden] wrote on
6/1/04 7:46 PM:

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> Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
> of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
> Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I think that pursuits should be mixed between sprinting events so the
crowd can watch and maybe appreciate a pursuit without completely stalling
the excitment of the track sprints.

You are right - I'm showing my illiteracy in the track lingo here.
Actually, I have no idea what most of the events are, much less what their
rules are and what kind of athleticism it takes to do them well..

-Sonarrat.

If you get a chance, go up to the Hellyer velodrome - it's just up 101
from you. It looks like they run training races on Wednesday night now.
Regular racing starts this Friday. Here's the page for the track - it has
some good info on it about track racing, too.
<http://www.stanford.edu/~roadman/Bike_Racing/NCVA/>

Sure, I know where that place is, I ride past it on the bike trail
occasionally. The Wednesday training races seem to be geared towards those
with more track experience than me, maybe a Saturday morning session would
be better to get my wheels under me first...

-Sonarrat.

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

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Tom [email hidden]
Date: 6/1/2004 10:46 PM Eastern

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That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I have no clue who you are, but talking track here is a pretty tough go. You
can trot out whatever opinion you want but until Carl, J-Me, Gladu, etc..
comment on it I'm not buying.

It doesn't take much knowledge to know that pursuits are not won and
lost in the first 3-5 seconds of the start. Kilo riders have very fast
starts but we don't see many of them doing well in the pursuit. If
you're a terrible starter you could essentially lose the pursuit in the
start but ask anyone who's ever done them at least reasonably well how
they feel about what happens in the last 30-60 seconds of the event, or
the middle 60 seconds.

-WG

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Sonarrat said:

in article [email hidden], Howard
Kveck at [email hidden] wrote on 6/1/04 9:45 PM:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you get a chance, go up to the Hellyer velodrome - it's just up 101
from you. It looks like they run training races on Wednesday night now.
Regular racing starts this Friday. Here's the page for the track - it has
some good info on it about track racing, too.
<http://www.stanford.edu/~roadman/Bike_Racing/NCVA/>

Sure, I know where that place is, I ride past it on the bike trail
occasionally. The Wednesday training races seem to be geared towards those
with more track experience than me, maybe a Saturday morning session would
be better to get my wheels under me first...

-Sonarrat.

Sure, but just going to check out the races is fun, too. If you want to
actually try the track, I'd say see about getting a fixed gear bike and get
a little bit used to it before you get on the track. Just sayin'...

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

In article <[email hidden]>,

warren said:

In article <[email hidden]>, TritonRider

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Tom [email hidden]
Date: 6/1/2004 10:46 PM Eastern

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That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start. I think it's a bit different than someone already
going 25+ mph and seeing who has any lungs and legs left. That's why I do
it!!!

I have no clue who you are, but talking track here is a pretty tough go.
You
can trot out whatever opinion you want but until Carl, J-Me, Gladu, etc..
comment on it I'm not buying.

It doesn't take much knowledge to know that pursuits are not won and
lost in the first 3-5 seconds of the start. Kilo riders have very fast
starts but we don't see many of them doing well in the pursuit. If
you're a terrible starter you could essentially lose the pursuit in the
start but ask anyone who's ever done them at least reasonably well how
they feel about what happens in the last 30-60 seconds of the event, or
the middle 60 seconds.

-WG

A good example of this would be the women's IP at Worlds this year.
Katie Mactier got a big lead from the start and got slower as the race went
on.

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/track/2004/WTC04/?id=ipwom-finals>

--
tanx,
Howard

"Copper will never be gold"
Shellac

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

"Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:opr8x4q4m27qylw0@crowley...

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Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start.

Any successful pursuiter who turns a big gear refutes that argument.

Carl Sundquist said:

"Anton Quist" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:8f54e882-
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I guess any time trial event would be "boring" to watch, particularly
since you don't see all the competitors side by side. You have to
really like the mechanics of the near- minute kilo to be truly amazed.
These guys start from a gate on a (large) fixed gear, quickly reach
nearly 40 mph, then hold on for a total time equivalent to five 12
second 200m TTs back to back! OK, I guess that's still not as exciting
as the NBA, but it's my favorite event (I guess that's why I do it!)

I appreciate any quality kilo even on a regional level, but to have a
string of sub 1:03 kilos like that is, AFAIK, unheard of.

Quoted message said:

What's attractive to me is the kilo's simple deterministic nature. No
tactics, no BS. Just show up, click in, wait for the count, and prove
you da man. And if you win by .001 second (as Chris did at worlds two
years ago), be thankful for that extra 2 PSI you put in your tires!

And it should come as little surprise that - on a relative scale - I
find the pursuit to be the most boring event in track. Just like a
kilo, except slower and three (or four) times as long... but when it
comes down to it, it's easy to watch kilos and pursuits at Worlds,
because they are all (OK, almost all) so good!

I have often said that the pursuit is an extremely dull event. Even in a
large tournament like nationals or worlds, only about the top 6 or 8
rides are interesting. On the whole, pursuiting is simply not a
spectator orient(at)ed event.

IP's are not incredibly exciting, this is true, but team pursuit is
perhaps the coolest cycling event there is to watch. Especially if the
team screws up and (as Joey D would say) eats sh&t. I would imagine it
would be a really fun event to race, too, but alas there is no women's
TP unless you're an Aussie.

--

"Tom" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:opr8x4q4m27qylw0@crowley...

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Personally, I find 2-man pursuits thrilling - when they occur at the end
of a road race. The stage that Jakob Piil won in the TdF last year over
Fabio Sacchi had me on the edge of my seat.

That is a full-out sprint and not a 2-man pursuit! Pursuits start from a
standing start (zero mph)and pursuits are won and lost in the first 3-5
seconds of that start.

Total nonsense.

Andy Coggan