Wool verses Gortex

alienator said:

Which North Face jacket?

M S T. H. jacket with Apex technology. I don't know much more about it other than it keeps me warm! What are you still doing up? Oh, right Az. I just talked to my parents.

alienator said:

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Not all polypro shirts stink. There are quite a few makes out there that address the stink in various ways with good success. Wool will also stink given the right time or circumstances. It does not have some mysterious anti-stink mechanism.
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Microfiber fabrics offer nearly perfect wind protection and protection from light rain, while still being exceptionally breathable.

What polypro do you use? Do you have any suggestions from microfiber cycling jackets?

Powerful Pete said:

What polypro do you use?...?

Buy anything that's the right weight and if it appears to be cut properly (long enough, etc.). Poly pro base layer stuff, in my experience using it since the 70s - anyone remember Damart?? - is that the big name brand stuff is just marketing and brand X stuff on the $10 bargain shelf is almost always as good. Garments do vary in design factors, the most important in my experience beig the adequacy of the length, with some name brand stuff being very poorly designed. This big Underarmour thing is mind boggling to me. I have no idea what their innovation is, but many people think it's something new and different.

Camilo said:

Buy anything that's the right weight and if it appears to be cut properly (long enough, etc.). Poly pro base layer stuff, in my experience using it since the 70s - anyone remember Damart?? - is that the big name brand stuff is just marketing and brand X stuff on the $10 bargain shelf is almost always as good. Garments do vary in design factors, the most important in my experience beig the adequacy of the length, with some name brand stuff being very poorly designed. This big Underarmour thing is mind boggling to me. I have no idea what their innovation is, but many people think it's something new and different.

Cool, thanks. I found this to be the case with fleece (I purchase the 15Euro Decathlon stuff which is quite popular here in Europe and stay away from the same fleece pullover that a name brand wants to make me pay 60~70 Euro!

Powerful Pete said:

Cool, thanks. I found this to be the case with fleece (I purchase the 15Euro Decathlon stuff which is quite popular here in Europe and stay away from the same fleece pullover that a name brand wants to make me pay 60~70 Euro!

I have found this to be true with base layers as well, although the sports shops would have you belive that you need Nike this and Teflon coated that I have been riding this winter in £10 base layers from my hiking shop which work brilliantly and are a third of the cost.

Although I might give that NikeJordan guy a ring and see if he can do me a deal 😄

For base layers, I typically buy what worked(s) for me climbing, i.e. Capilene. REI also makes good base layer stuff that's more reasonably priced. I do have one DeFeet short sleeved undershirt that I like a lot, so I'll likely splurge and get more of those. It is lightweight, but given the activity level of cycling, mid-weight or expedition weight base layers usually aren't necessary.

And as always, I wear a mink codpiece.

alienator said:

For base layers, I typically buy what worked(s) for me climbing, i.e. Capilene. REI also makes good base layer stuff that's more reasonably priced. I do have one DeFeet short sleeved undershirt that I like a lot, so I'll likely splurge and get more of those. It is lightweight, but given the activity level of cycling, mid-weight or expedition weight base layers usually aren't necessary.

And as always, I wear a mink codpiece.

Since I was the one who ranted about no need for "name brand" stuff, I will add that the comfort of the fabric can also be a decision factor, and the very comfortable stuff might be more expensive and worth paying for. On the other hand, I've found very nice fabrics in off-brand or seconds. Plus, the days of really poor polypro type fabrics I think is gone. I remember back in the 70s/early 80s when the stuff was a little rare and choices were kind of Lifa and Damart. I really loved Damart because it was so much more comfortable.

I just found a sirt developed by the military industrial complex that has silver empregnated threads to killl the germs befroe they stink. not very cheap at calbelas.com but what ever it takes to stop stinking. I think that copper would work good also, but may be toxic to humans??

The 200g/m wool shirt was soo thin and loosly woven that I decided its not worth $95 each. (with shipping)

And I found a rain jacket at wearguard.com that has vents, but still needs some under the arms.

unfortunatly I don't know how well these things wick away the moisture, compaired to wool.

sorry I am so illiterate, the word processor dosen't even do a good job of correction.....well I'm sure you can handle it.

alienator said:

BTW, you should work on your spelling an sentence construction for your blog. Commenting on polypropylene while misspelling it doesn't lend much credence to your opinions. Your topics have trouble maintaining a logical train of thought and tend to wander.

jawnn said:

I just found a sirt developed by the military industrial complex that has silver empregnated threads to killl the germs befroe they stink.

I have a device invented by the civilian industrial complex for this purpose. It's called a washing machine.

Are you saying that the shirts will not stink if I use a machine every day? Too bad I don't have enough money for one. I have to use a bucket.

I just wonder if people enjoy snide remarks like this....? :eek: Perhaps we could have a battle to so how abusive the other can be.

artemidorus said:

I have a device invented by the civilian industrial complex for this purpose. It's called a washing machine.

jawnn said:

Are you saying that the shirts will not stink if I use a machine every day? Too bad I don't have enough money for one. I have to use a bucket.

I just wonder if people enjoy snide remarks like this....? :eek: Perhaps we could have a battle to so how abusive the other can be.

Maybe you are not aware of it, but it is not infrequent to have such battles here (meaning on cyclingforums.com). For example, if you go to Bike Cafe, you will see a thread called "F**ktards like X and Y"...

TheDarkLord said:

Maybe you are not aware of it, but it is not infrequent to have such battles here (meaning on cyclingforums.com). For example, if you go to Bike Cafe, you will see a thread called "F**ktards like X and Y"...

Actually, it was "[censored] like Bro Deal and Crankyfeet."

alienator said:

Actually, it was "[censored] like Bro Deal and Crankyfeet."

I thought it was Pendejo and Bro Deal...

jawnn said:

I just wonder if people enjoy snide remarks like this....? :eek: Perhaps we could have a battle to so how abusive the other can be.

A desire to spend megabucks on a shirt simply to stop it stinking - who's it going to offend when you're on your bike, anyway? - is always worthy of gentle ridicule.