Wobbly Hub

Keith Willoughby said:

So, I left. This time, I'm *definitely* not going back. Tongwynlais
Cyclecare, people. Not recommended.

You are not the only one. I read with great interest a thread all about this
shop on the Cycling Plus forum. I can't find it now, though. Will post it
when I find it -- actually it's very funny -- you should only go there when
there's a hat in the shop window!

Here:

http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=17887&SearchTerms=tongwynlais

Read it to the end to find out about the mysterious hat!

Sorry, it's this one:

http://www.mtb-wales.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=2017#pid27096

Simon

Simonb said:

Keith Willoughby said:

So, I left. This time, I'm *definitely* not going back. Tongwynlais
Cyclecare, people. Not recommended.

You are not the only one. I read with great interest a thread all about this
shop on the Cycling Plus forum. I can't find it now, though. Will post it
when I find it

Yeah, please do. I'm glad to see it's not just me.

I bought my clipless pedals and shoes down in Reg Braddick's, in
Cardiff. The service in there was absolutely first class, and I thanked
the guy and told him he was nothing like "the miserable git" in
Tongwynlais. He snorted, I asked him if he knew the other guy, he said
"no, but I've heard of him".

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-- actually it's very funny -- you should only go there when there's a
hat in the shop window!

!!

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Speicherzugriffsfehler

Simonb said:

Sorry, it's this one:

http://www.mtb-wales.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=viewthread&tid=2017#pid27096

Ha! Yup, exactly my experiences. I'll have to look out for the hat . . .

They're right about the thousands of quids worth of bikes going past his
shop, too. I've seen several people in MTB gear, Camelbaks, and very
expensive-looking full-sus bikes going past, presumably up to Castell
Coch. (One of them did some very impressive-but-posy jumps over the many
speed-humps through the village)

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Husker Du Du Du, Captain Beefheart, ELO

Keith Willoughby:

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So, I still have a wobbly hub. If it needs stripping, I might as well
do it myself, I guess.

I was surprised at how easy a job it turned out to be when I did it. The
thing to remember is when you remove the axle, be careful not to lose any
bearings that may fall out.

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A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and an
adjustable do?).

I managed it without cone spanners. Not ideal though. Aside from simple
trial-and-error, I'm afraid I don't know how you work out what size spanner
you need. You should be OK with just one spanner though - You won't be able
to use a second spanner anyway since you'll need one hand free to stop the
axle rotating.

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Grease.

Yup. Others know more about this than me, but I use a standard all-purpose
grease with teflon. Make sure you don't put too much grease in the bearing
races or it will just ooze out all over the place when you put the wheel
back together.

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A casette removing tool?

You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub. I think. Maybe it
depends on the wheel. I managed to service my rear wheel without removing
the freewheel. It was a bit fiddly reaching inside to clean and grease the
bearing track but not actually difficult. I think with freehubs the bearings
are closer to the end of the axle, making it easier still.

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How do I find out what kind I need?

They are standard shapes. You need to look at the shape of the inner
perimeter of the locknut to work out which tool you need. More info here,
including pictures to help you correctly identify what you've got - chances
are it's a shimano hyperglide:
<URL:http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/FAQcogs.shtml>

And here are their instructions on hub servicing - again, with pictures:
<URL:http://www.parktool.com/repair_help/howfix_hub.shtml>

d.

me:

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You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub. I think. Maybe

it

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depends on the wheel.

I just noticed the Park site says you *do* need to remove the cassette to
service a freehub type wheel.

d.

davek said:

Keith Willoughby:

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So, I still have a wobbly hub. If it needs stripping, I might as well
do it myself, I guess.

I was surprised at how easy a job it turned out to be when I did it. The
thing to remember is when you remove the axle, be careful not to lose any
bearings that may fall out.

Indeed..

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A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and an
adjustable do?).

I managed it without cone spanners. Not ideal though. Aside from simple
trial-and-error, I'm afraid I don't know how you work out what size spanner
you need.

Cone spanners are well worth it. Don't buy the cheap ones which are [censored].
The shimano ones or the park ones are great.

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You should be OK with just one spanner though - You won't be able
to use a second spanner anyway since you'll need one hand free to stop the
axle rotating.

don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the wheel, one the
other. No bother. You should only need to undo one side. I find it easier to
do the non-cassette side.

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Grease

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Yup. Others know more about this than me, but I use a standard all-purpose
grease with teflon. Make sure you don't put too much grease in the bearing
races or it will just ooze out all over the place when you put the wheel
back together.

When you have removed all the balls and the axle, clean out the bearing
races.
Check the axle to see if it is bent. Look at the bearing races to see if
they are pitted (on cones and cups).
Then put a thick smear of grease in the bearing cups and the balls should
stick to this while you put the axle in. Don't worry about putting too much
grease in, the more the merrier (and messier).

Bear in mind that some greases contain compounds that should not have skin
contact for prolonged periods. Cleanliness is next to godliness.

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A casette removing tool?

Won't need it. Don't need to take the cassette off.

...d

David Martin:

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don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the wheel, one the
other. No bother.

Maybe it's just me, but I found that when I tried to turn the cone, the
whole axle assembly turned, so I had to hold the axle itself while I
unscrewed the cone.

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You should only need to undo one side. I find it easier to
do the non-cassette side.

Indeed. Leaving one cone in situ also helps when putting everything back
together - no need to worry about getting the spacing right.

d.

davek said:

me:

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You won't need to remove the cassette to service the hub. I think. Maybe

it

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depends on the wheel.

I just noticed the Park site says you *do* need to remove the cassette to
service a freehub type wheel.

Only if you are fully servicing it (ie freehub bearings), not to just do the
axle and bearings.

Either that or I just do magic because I don't need to take the cassette
off.

...d

davek said:

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don't understand this at all. One spanner one side of the wheel, one the
other. No bother.

Maybe it's just me, but I found that when I tried to turn the cone, the
whole axle assembly turned, so I had to hold the axle itself while I
unscrewed the cone.

Cone spanner on cone. Other spanner on lock nut. No worries.

Then when they are loose, spanner on tight cone/locknut, turn the loose oens
off with the other spanner.

...d

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm boycotting obnoxious
LBS, Halfords is now the easiest place to go.

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
Votad Al Frente Popular

On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm boycotting obnoxious
LBS, Halfords is now the easiest place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones I had (that were a
waste of money and totally useless) were from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one, though I prefer to
have two. At a guess you should get the 13-14mm one, though getting both the
13-14 and 15-16 (one of each) will cover you.

...d

Keith Willoughby said:

I have Zinn to guide me, but just to check with you lot - what do I
need?

A couple of cone spanners (or would one cone spanner and an
adjustable do?). Are there any clever ways I can find out what size
spanner I need, rather than trying to find a ruler and measuring it,
with all the innacuracy involved there?

Keith, get a pair of cone spanners from Mike Dyasons (not expensive), plus
two ordinary spanners that fit your locknuts. Adjustable spanner(s) can
be used intead but it's much easier with normal spanners. See Sheldon
Brown's instructions (and clever tricks on using two spanners of the same
size simultanously) for adjusting cones. They work!

These particular cone spanners have multi sizes - they're bound to suit.
Get a set of basic spanners for the locknuts. One of them hopefully will
fit, then buy another single spanner or use an adjustable one in addition.
They will be metric.

Sorry I haven't got time for providing URLs now. Google! Good luck!

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Grease.

Ordinary waterproof general purpose grease will do, or get some bike brand
from another bike shop or Halfrauds.

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A casette removing tool? How do I find out what kind I need? Hell, how
do I tell a casette from a free-wheel type? (It's a ~5 year old Giant
MTB, 7 speed cogs)

See Sheldon brown for distinguising them. Get chainwhip and cassette
remover from Dyason's (the one type they have suits Shimano), but if
freewheel, you'll need a different tool and a lot of force. A vice helps.
Could instead get a bike shop to remove it for you, then do rest of work
yourself.

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A chain whip? Or am I barking up the wrong tree with that?

Needed to remove cassette only (not freewheel).

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Anything else?

That'll do I think.

~PB

David Martin said:

On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm boycotting obnoxious
LBS, Halfords is now the easiest place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones I had (that were a
waste of money and totally useless) were from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Ah, OK. I might take a wander over anyway.

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Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one, though I prefer to
have two. At a guess you should get the 13-14mm one, though getting both the
13-14 and 15-16 (one of each) will cover you.

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that it's a 15mm. (The
14 is too small. The 15 would be the right size if the spanner wasn't so
crappy)

If Halfords doesn't have good ones, I'll get a 13/15 or 15/16 from
Wiggle. I can use an adjustable for the locknut, I guess.

--
Keith Willoughby http://flat222.org/keith/
What ain't we got? We ain't got mates

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On 2/6/04 1:50 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

davek said:

David Martin:

Cheers fellas!

Anyone know if Halfords sell decent cone spanners? As I'm boycotting

obnoxious

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LBS, Halfords is now the easiest place to go.

Only if they are teh Park or shimano ones. The cheap ones I had (that were a
waste of money and totally useless) were from Halfords in about 1990ish.

Halfords do sell the Park stuff.

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Wiggle do the Park ones. You can get away with just one, though I prefer to
have two. At a guess you should get the 13-14mm one, though getting both the
13-14 and 15-16 (one of each) will cover you.

Park used to do a set of two identical spanners, on one end a 13/15 and the
other a 14/16. They work well.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

On 2/6/04 3:23 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that it's a 15mm. (The
14 is too small. The 15 would be the right size if the spanner wasn't so
crappy)

Use the crappy spanner for the locknut (should be 15mm) and the shiny new
cone spanner for the cone.
Adjustables are the produce of stan (though I have a number of them up to
18" stilsons. Not quite as bad as my dad who has some 30" stilsons. ouch!)

...d

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On 2/6/04 3:23 pm, in article [email hidden], "Keith

Willoughby said:

I just found some crappy spanners, and it appears that it's a 15mm. (The
14 is too small. The 15 would be the right size if the spanner wasn't so
crappy)

Use the crappy spanner for the locknut (should be 15mm) and the shiny new
cone spanner for the cone.

Correct.

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Adjustables are the produce of stan

Not well-made ones. Look at those made by Bahco sometime.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen, Tool User

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I went in, told him what the problem was, and asked him to adjust the
cone. He told me he'd have to strip it down to find out the
problem. Fair enough, I thought. I'd rather he just tightened it a bit
to see if that worked, but his way was the right way to go. He then told
me that if there was a problem in the hub, it wouldn't go back
together.

How could it not go back together? If you bring a rideable wheel to a
decent bike mechanic he should be able to get inside the hub and at
least put it back into a similarly rideable mode for you, no matter
what horror stories he finds inside. (Short of needing an
oxy-acetylene torch to get inside it.) You really do need to learn to
service your own wheels to free yourself from this sort of nonsense.

--
Dave...